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[14:33:54] <Milos|Laptop> Wow.
[14:34:02] <Milos|Laptop> I wasted 7GB (and counting) because of failed hash checks.
[14:34:38] <Milos|Laptop> Using the bittornado client with auto_kick set to 1... Quite sad if there really are that many people with corrupt parts.
[14:37:23] <DWKnight> dlink router with dmz enabled?
[14:40:00] <DWKnight> some dlink routers are known to cause similar behavior
[14:45:20] <DWKnight> and manually specifying the auto_kick value is meaningless since it defaults to on
[14:46:08] <Milos|Laptop> I have a dedicated router running iptables - it's definitely not that :)
[14:46:17] <Milos|Laptop> Just bad peers I guess.
[14:46:21] <Milos|Laptop> *waits more*
[14:49:29] <Milos|Laptop> I've had 7000 failed hash checks (and counting) on a 1GB torrent. Yay!
[14:49:55] <DWKnight> sounds poisoned to me
[14:50:23] <kjetilho> Milos|Laptop: perhaps you have a bad torrent-file?
[14:50:37] <kjetilho> hmm, no, that won't do.
[14:50:55] <Milos|Laptop> kjetilho, eh, the percentage is hanging around 99.5% - it will get there eventually.
[14:51:20] <Milos|Laptop> Also, enlighten me on 'poisoned' torrents?
[14:51:28] <Milos|Laptop> @DWKnight.
[14:51:37] <DWKnight> anti-p2p groups playing not nice
[14:51:58] <DWKnight> purposely sending bad data to waste your bandwidth
[14:52:18] <Milos|Laptop> Eh, I'll let it run. It's wasting their bandwidth more than mine (:
[14:52:25] <DWKnight> also, if your broadband modem is dlink, it is prone to the dlink dmz download destroyer as well
[14:52:28] <kjetilho> or even purposely uploading enticing material
[14:52:46] <Milos|Laptop> Nope, not D-Link. I had that company.
[14:52:51] <Milos|Laptop> s/had/hate/
[14:53:00] <Milos|Laptop> Had? Why did I say that...
[14:53:31] <DWKnight> you need more coffee
[14:54:19] <Milos|Laptop> Yeah. But on a side note, if they're "anti-p2p" -- wait, how do you even send out invalid data?
[14:55:16] <DWKnight> by not playing by the rules
[14:56:01] <Milos|Laptop> >:
[14:56:04] <Milos|Laptop> Evil fuckers.
[14:58:31] <Milos|Laptop> Can anyone intercept a torrent and seed shit? Like literally, shit.
[14:58:42] <DWKnight> yes
[14:59:38] <Milos|Laptop> Fags.
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[15:04:31] <kjetilho> seeding shit (literally) may be illegal in some jurisdiction
[15:04:36] <kjetilho> +s
[15:05:34] <Milos|Laptop> It better be.
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[16:29:12] <mpl> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/04/bono_brings_file_sharer_wrath/
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[21:04:43] <burris> yeah, cuz "young, fledgling songwriters who can't live off ticket and t-shirt sales" would be selling enough albums to "recoup" if it weren't for teh 3v1l file sharers
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[21:10:04] <K`Tetch> more like the evil record labels filling their pockets with the money
[21:10:37] <K`Tetch> or maybe, just maybe, the 100-year reign of the 'professional muscian' is over
[21:11:14] <K`Tetch> which means I'll have to replace Sousa with Valenti in my home-dynamo
[21:11:40] <burris> no way, the professional musician is just getting started, it's the middlemen's reign that's over...  the market is just very inefficient right now due to artificial constraints (existing recording contracts)
[21:12:18] <K`Tetch> well, the megarich rockstar era is over
[21:12:39] <K`Tetch> without the artificial scarcity in product diversity, there won't be the concentrations of wealth
[21:12:51] <burris> slowly, new bands and bands with existing contracts are forging their own path based on real business relationships instead of indentured servitude
[21:13:42] <burris> no way, there will be more megarich rockstars...  all that revenue, the potential is still there, people still want to buy cool stuff from musicians, but more and more of that money will go to the actual musicians instead of industry fat cats
[21:14:24] <K`Tetch> right, but at the same time, there will be more musicians to share it between
[21:14:30] <K`Tetch> thanks to a lower barrier to entry
[21:14:55] <K`Tetch> iirc, in the UK 10 years ago, there were 100 albums launched and available nationwide in a year
[21:14:56] <burris> perhaps the proprtion of megarich rockstars will stay the same but many who otherwise would have had to keep a job at the paper mill or give lessons constantly just to put food on the table will make comfortable livings just on making music and performing
[21:14:59] <K`Tetch> roughy 2 a week
[21:15:16] <K`Tetch> now there can be 20 a week launched worldwide
[21:15:23] <K`Tetch> or 200
[21:15:56] <K`Tetch> the record companies kept the major distribution paths limited, which mean the money was concentrated only to ahandful of artists
[21:16:18] <K`Tetch> even given the amount going to artists increases 5-fold
[21:16:32] <K`Tetch> the number of artists, the artist pool for it to be shared with, will increase 100-fold
[21:17:34] <K`Tetch> 100 years ago, most equine related jobs went because of the advent of technology, now a lot of horse 'jobs' are side jobs, or hobbists
[21:17:38] <burris> ah, I see what you're saying but I think the ones who hit it really big will still hit it really big but I can't say they will make less due to the reasons you mention or more because they will earn a higher proportion of the revenue they generate
[21:18:13] <K`Tetch> there will be more moeny, but there will be a much greater number of artists to share it between
[21:18:22] <burris> most people want to fit it and liking a certain genre or artist is part of that...
[21:18:39] <K`Tetch> certain genre, yes, aritst, not so much
[21:18:59] <K`Tetch> without the huge marketing budgets, it's not so much the case
[21:19:01] <burris> I guess nobody really knows what's going to happen but it seems obvious that the artists aren't going to be any worse off than they are now
[21:19:15] <K`Tetch> oh, they do know - theres been a lot of studies done on it
[21:19:19] <K`Tetch> even 15-20 years ago
[21:19:34] <K`Tetch> (I used to work for a record company that was part of the BSA)
[21:19:49] <K`Tetch> I can't publish, because I don't have any references
[21:20:05] <K`Tetch> my old boss (my uncle) doesn't speak to me any more
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[21:21:25] <burris> not so, 15 years ago people were saying the net was going to kill the record companies but 10 years after dot.com explosion the record companies seem to be faring about as well as they had been 10 years ago and certainly much better than newspapers who lost most of their revenue to eBay and Craigslist
[21:22:02] <K`Tetch> I was working as a copyright enforcer for his record company 10 years ago. I tried to get him to embrace napster, and MP3s
[21:22:10] <K`Tetch> was told I was wasting my time and it'd never amount to anything
[21:22:24] <K`Tetch> because mp3's (and mp3 players0 had been out for years even then
[21:23:02] <burris> maybe the net will open up so many new markets that the record companies will stay the same size in absolute terms but just have a smaller role...  like record companies haven't been shutting their doors even though most music distribution is now actually controlled by Apple
[21:24:03] <burris> so wait, on the one hand you're saying you know what's going to happen because of 10-15 year old industry studies and then you say that these same people said mp3 won't amount to anything
[21:27:01] <K`Tetch> no, I said the BPI (uk version of the RIAA) had done those studies
[21:27:14] <K`Tetch> i said my uncle (minor studio head) said it'd never amount to anything
[21:27:58] <K`Tetch> If he had listened, he could have been the new napster
[21:28:04] <K`Tetch> or itunes
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[21:34:50] <DWKnight> so far, the only REAL losers in the whole post-napster revolution have been the labels
[21:36:43] <burris> i like how bt.etree.org has three buttons on the front page:  "hide grateful dead" "hide phish" "hide grateful dead and phish" "hide country and western"
[21:36:58] <burris> jk about c&w
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[23:09:52] <K`Tetch> quick off ht emark, DWKnight
[23:15:43] <The_8472> <K`Tetch> my old boss (my uncle) doesn't speak to me any more <- that made me lol
[23:15:55] <K`Tetch> none of my family do
[23:15:59] <K`Tetch> hate me for leaving the uk
[23:18:41] <Switeck> What's wrong with leaving the UK? ...Or did you say you weren't (ever) going back?
[23:20:01] <K`Tetch> I didn't ask their permission first
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[23:21:43] <Switeck> If you were over 20, that really shouldn't be necessary. :P
[23:23:33] <K`Tetch> you know that, I know that, my dad doesn't understand that
[23:24:01] <DWKnight> my dad would be like "If you don't come home for christmas, I'll hunt you"
[23:24:04] <DWKnight> but that's about it
[23:24:14] <kjetilho> is he a good shot?
[23:24:26] <K`Tetch> thing is, the christmas before (8 years ago) HE didn't come home
[23:24:36] <K`Tetch> went out midday christmas eve, came home on the 27th
[23:24:45] <K`Tetch> lost his cellphone too
[23:24:52] <The_8472> got drunk=
[23:24:53] <The_8472> ?
[23:24:56] <K`Tetch> and christmas eve is his birthday
[23:25:02] <K`Tetch> oh yeah
[23:25:25] <The_8472> ah, sounds like the perfect father then ^^
[23:26:24] <DWKnight> yes he is a good shot
[23:31:07] <Switeck> I wonder if we should tell him the displayed ratios...are for show only:  http://forum.utorrent.com/viewtopic.php?id=66195
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[23:32:24] <The_8472> they're not for show. they're there as a karma-meter ^^
[23:33:39] <DeHackEd> call the MPAA, they'll have an approximate number to get you back on track.
[23:34:49] <Switeck> the poster is probably on a private tracker, and caring about the ratio only because he thinks he's about to get banned.
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[23:40:14] <The_8472> he should just ask the private tracker guys then
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[23:41:55] <K`Tetch> since when have private tracker guys ever known their arse rfom their elbow?
[23:42:44] <Switeck> all the more reason XD
[23:43:57] <The_8472> hey, why complain as long as they're only sabotaging themselves
[23:47:40] <DeHackEd> sounds good as long as we don't have to put up with it.
[23:55:57] <alus> The_8472: they sabotage users too
[23:56:18] <alus> users are kept from downloading what they want when they want it
[23:56:58] <Switeck> the ones that regularly ban the worst 1-10% ratio-wise really stink
[23:57:24] <Switeck> That's the same type of policy that ISPs use to get rid of "bandwidth hogs".
[23:57:36] <kjetilho> yeah, but the height of stupidity are the sites which ban overseeders!
[23:57:42] <Switeck> And then ISPs say "average users on use this much bandwidth!"
[23:57:53] <Switeck> typo: on = only
[23:57:59] <The_8472> alus, well. users can always vote with their feet
[23:58:12] <Switeck> broadband or nothing
[23:58:22] <Switeck> in many areas
[23:58:39] <Switeck> There's typically an ADSL service and Cable service, but not much more
[23:58:53] <The_8472> <kjetilho> yeah, but the height of stupidity are the sites which ban overseeders! <- heh, that's actually not too bad. overseeding is one of the many problems that plague private trackers
[23:59:07] <kjetilho> The_8472: uh, how?
[23:59:23] <Switeck> simpler way to deal with overseeders is to not allow them to run 20+ torrents at once.
[23:59:29] <The_8472> http://www.azureuswiki.com/index.php/User:The8472/Private_trackers#Overseeding
[23:59:47] <The_8472> it's a problem in conjuction with the ratio stuff





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