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[03:38:26] <neekers> I am trying to understand the bit torrent client. for instance, under Seeds I see 1(49), What is the difference between the 2 numbers?
[03:39:55] <TheSHAD0W> How many you're directly connected to vs. how many are (supposedly) total available.
[03:40:44] <neekers> so when the first number is 0, how come I am still downloading?
[03:41:00] <TheSHAD0W> Because all peers are capable of uploading.
[03:41:13] <TheSHAD0W> http://btfaq.com
[03:41:15] <TheSHAD0W> Read that.
[03:41:22] <neekers> thank you
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[13:55:08] <migi> hope this is the right place to ask: If the police knock on my door to search my house, I know they can search my computer and even take it away if they want to. However, all my not-so-legal files are behind a strong encryption with a long password that is only stored in my head. Am I obliged to give them that password if they ask me? I live in Belgium if that matters.
[13:57:50] <kjetilho> country matters
[14:03:21] <migi> apparently in the UK it's a crime not to give your password when asked to
[14:06:45] <Switeck> because over there, thought-crimes are real crimes against the state.
[14:08:07] <chelz> deniable encryption is important in places like that
[14:08:18] <chelz> also generally a good idea just in case laws change
[14:08:27] <migi> what's deniable encryption?
[14:08:46] <chelz> hidden subvolumes within encrypted volumes
[14:08:57] <chelz> TrueCrypt calls them hidden partitions or something
[14:09:02] <Switeck> double encryption or shadow partitions
[14:09:17] <Switeck> they ask for the encryption password, give them the encryption password for the "safe" one
[14:09:50] <migi> ah I get it :)
[14:09:53] <migi> pretty clever
[14:10:00] <chelz> migi: http://www.truecrypt.org/docs/?s=plausible-deniability
[14:10:01] <migi> but it would require twice the disk usage, right?
[14:10:08] <chelz> not necessarily
[14:10:27] <chelz> people use shadow/hidden partitions over double encryption afaik
[14:11:01] <chelz> if the encryption is good enough to be indistinguishable from normally random data, if you give the key to decrypt the first partition, there's no way for them to know if there's anything beyond
[14:11:27] <chelz> for all they know there could be an infinite amount of nested hidden partitions, but it should all look like random data
[14:11:58] <chelz> in the US there's only one case on the topic of being forced to give up your password and it's a very hot legal issue. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Boucher
[14:12:06] <chelz> the EFF is tracking it pretty closely
[14:12:54] <chelz> migi: best to ask a local lawyer experienced with computer stuff if you can
[14:13:01] <chelz> Know Your Rights
[14:13:05] <Switeck> In the USA, there's the 5th amendment
[14:13:22] <migi> dude it's just music and movies, I'm not going to pay a lawyer, I might just as well buy it all :)
[14:13:29] <chelz> Switeck: one would hope, but apparently being forced to give up the combination to a safe is not protected under that
[14:13:46] <chelz> migi: ah alright, your call.
[14:14:01] <chelz> Switeck: at least according to that wikipedia article on the Boucher case
[14:14:10] <Switeck> they can't charge that directly, only as obstruction of justice or contempt of court.
[14:14:33] <chelz> yeah
[14:14:57] <chelz> also i guess it didn't say that in the article, since i remember "safe" being in the sentence and it's not on there
[14:16:52] <chelz> ah well g'night all
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[14:23:05] <migi> could you also not say you simply forgot the password?
[14:28:16] <migi> it's human to forget random number/letter combinations, right?
[14:30:09] <Switeck> extremely
[14:30:24] <Switeck> that's why we write down our most important user names and passwords in convenient places.
[14:32:51] <migi> I don't
[14:33:15] <mpl> I write them in an encrypted text file heh
[14:35:56] <migi> hmm, quoting wikipedia "Some countries require decryption keys to be recoverable in case of a police investigation."
[14:36:13] <migi> apparently you can't forget your password(s) there
[14:36:56] <mpl> I think it's legally the case in many countries
[14:37:55] <migi> still, some countries are wicked enough to have illegal prime numbers!
[14:43:17] <Switeck> but obviously no politicians can actually count that high
[15:46:49] <migi> hmm, I've now set up a hidden subvolume in my TrueCrypt volume, but now my music player will know about the illegal music files that won't be there when I decrypt it with the "safe" password...
[15:50:24] <migi> any clever solutions to that? maybe somehow store config files / playlists in the hidden volume too?
[15:51:42] <Switeck> media players that remember everything are bad, ok?
[15:55:49] <migi> ?
[15:56:30] <migi> Switeck, what media player do you use? It doesn't even remember the names of the songs you played?
[15:57:07] <Switeck> Media Player Classic Home Edition
[15:58:11] <Switeck> I got sick of Microsoft's Media Player phoning home
[15:58:20] <Switeck> ...a list of what I was playing
[16:00:08] <migi> ohh right... microsoft :)
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[18:00:56] <migi> hmm I still need decoy material for the outer volume... are there any legal torrents/files that someone could plausibly encrypt and that he would reasonably give a 200GB size limit?
[18:02:50] <TheSHAD0W> archive.org
[18:03:21] <TheSHAD0W> If it's encrypted, and isn't meant to be anything meaningful, you can encrypt garbage data.
[18:05:29] <migi> TheSHAD0W, of all 52 people in here you're the only one that missed the discussion we had a few hours ago about encrypted archives. I live in Belgium and there's a serious probability that they can force me to give them my password, and therefor I've set up a TrueCrypt archive with two passwords, the real password that decrypts the real data, and a shit-the-police-is-here password that decrypts decoy information
[18:05:41] <TheSHAD0W> Ah.
[18:06:29] <TheSHAD0W> Of course, they are monitoring and archiving this conversation and therefore your plausible deniability has just gone to shit.  :-P
[18:07:01] <migi> proxies, my friend, are very useful :)
[18:07:09] <migi> (though I don't use one right now XD)
[18:09:16] <migi> If I were older than 18, I could think of reasonable decoy material :) but I'm not...
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[18:10:32] <TheSHAD0W> Do you have any music CDs?
[18:10:37] <TheSHAD0W> Or DVDs?
[18:10:41] <K`Tetch> theres a reasonable possibility of forcing the password from you? i don't believe so
[18:10:46] <TheSHAD0W> Rip 'em and use that.
[18:10:58] <K`Tetch> I believe the UK's RIPA is the only one in the EU and thats under serious threat
[18:11:36] <migi> K`Tetch, oh, well I read about the UK's laws and thought it wouldn't be all that different in Belgium
[18:12:01] <migi> maybe I was wrong then
[18:12:04] <K`Tetch> its a specific law in the UK - regulation of investigatory powers
[18:12:16] <K`Tetch> passed in 01, the password-forcing thing only came into force 2 years ago
[18:13:14] <migi> oh, ok. But still some decoy material never hurts I guess, just to be sure
[18:14:46] <migi> TheSHAD0W, yes I have a few DVD's. Don't know how I could explain why I encrypted those, but I guess I won't have to (at least according to K`Tetch), so it's not all that important anyway
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[18:48:34] <Encor3> Hey
[18:49:15] <Encor3> How do I set up atrack?
[18:51:04] <Encor3> !list
[18:51:05] <BitTorrentBot> Read the /topic. No file sharing allowed.
[18:51:33] <Encor3> What does !list do?
[18:54:16] <uriel> Encor3: what do you want to know?
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[19:00:58] <DWKnight> can't have been that important
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[20:48:49] <_rafi_> ...
[20:49:36] <_rafi_> our first flight http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6F7MGWqYqU ...
[21:03:29] <TheSHAD0W> Nice LOLtitle.
[21:04:52] <TheSHAD0W> Boss!  teh plane!  teh plane!
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[21:06:52] <TheSHAD0W> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6lV67SAX1w&NR=1 9_9 no wonder the world is going to shit.
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[21:07:15] <_rafi_> :)
[21:07:44] <TheSHAD0W> Still not corrected...
[21:07:50] <TheSHAD0W> Cool looking UAV though.
[21:09:44] <The_8472> what kind of science is he teaching oO
[21:09:46] <The_8472> creationism?
[21:10:08] <The_8472> "science" i mean
[21:11:52] <swolchok> it's also harder to deny encryption when you go on the internet asking about deniable encryption to hide your "not-so-legal files"
[21:14:37] <The_8472> then make another hidden volume in the hidden volume
[21:14:46] <The_8472> they can't know or proove how deeply nested they are
[21:16:06] <The_8472> or put some copyrighed porn into your encrypted partition
[21:16:30] <The_8472> and when the music industry comes knocking and wants your passwords
[21:16:35] <The_8472> it's "sorry, only porn here"
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[22:37:26] <swolchok> unless you blab about how "it's only movies and music"
[22:37:36] <swolchok> was just pointing out that the questioner was not being particularly wise
[22:39:54] <The_8472> still unlikely that they'll be able to recite IRC logs in 1 year based on his hostname
[22:40:05] <The_8472> or that they would even look for them
[22:40:19] <The_8472> but then again it's also unlikely that he'll get sued
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[23:01:27] <migi> swolock, "the questioner" is still here, and if you want to get my attention, feel free to put my name in your message. Also, I may be paranoid about some things, such as the police finding illegal files on my hard drive, but I'm not paranoid enough to think the police will monitor IRC chat.
[23:01:29] <migi> Maybe in China they do that
[23:03:21] <DWKnight> learn2tabcomplete
[23:04:21] <migi> woops, I mean swolchok (thanks DWKnight)
[23:09:14] <migi> anyway, I don't care about that anonymous internet guy's opionion. I'm off. Thanks to all those who actually helped, it was appreciated :)
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[23:10:50] <The_8472> hrrm.. i ponder if there's a tab completeness theorem
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[23:17:05] <swolchok> anonymous? me? dude doesn't know google
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[23:31:52] <The_8472> anonymous to the lazy eye
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