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[01:32:07] <burris> GothAlice, socket buffers come flying in then it drops when they are drained
[01:32:55] <burris> dunno why it doesn't go back up though
[01:54:21] <GothAlice> 44KB/s ATM.  :(
[02:04:12] <burris> did you disable upload too? maybe your acks are starved
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[02:47:59] <GothAlice> burris: My cap goes from (down/up) 200/10 and unlimited/50.  My maximal outbound is ~ 120KB/s.
[02:48:30] <DreadWingKnight> try capping your upload in your client to about 90-100
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[03:42:37] <TheSHAD0W> http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com.nyud.net/blog/mfreed/inaccurate-copyright-enforcement-questionable-best-practices-and-bittorrent-specificatio
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[03:48:01] <TheSHAD0W> K`Tetch: *ping*
[03:48:13] <K`Tetch> hey
[03:48:21] * TheSHAD0W points at the URL he posted
[03:48:41] <K`Tetch> i see, I'll check it in a few, middle of a meeting right now
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[04:09:18] <Matson> does anyone know of open server implementations for webseeding, specifically BEP 17 with pieces?
[04:09:41] <Matson> we're looking into providing seed with webseeding and adding it to rtorrent
[04:10:10] <TheSHAD0W> BEP 17 is the script-based one?
[04:10:41] <TheSHAD0W> Yup, that's mine.
[04:11:11] <TheSHAD0W> There's an example script available on the download page at http://bittornado.com .
[04:11:50] <TheSHAD0W> Erm, link doesn't work.
[04:12:14] <TheSHAD0W> http://download.bittornado.com/download/webseed-0.9a.zip
[04:12:42] <Matson> cool.  thank you
[04:12:57] <Matson> did you write it?
[04:13:18] <TheSHAD0W> I wrote the client side code for BitTornado.
[04:13:23] <TheSHAD0W> DeHackEd wrote that server code.
[04:13:32] <TheSHAD0W> You'll also want to read:
[04:13:44] <TheSHAD0W> http://bittornado.com/docs/webseed-spec.txt
[04:13:54] <TheSHAD0W> And:
[04:13:58] <TheSHAD0W> http://forums.degreez.net/viewtopic.php?t=7456
[04:14:06] <Matson> yup, saw the last two
[04:14:40] <Matson> got a message from ...uh you I think Tue, 17 Nov 2009
[04:14:58] <TheSHAD0W> Hum.
[04:14:59] <TheSHAD0W> 'K.
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[06:55:04] <dgran> hey guys. I have external HDD where I used to download and seed my torrent, but I hooked that drive to my new PC and it doesnt see the files im donw downloading so I cant seed them. How can I add them all and start seeding? (its utorrent)
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[07:43:51] <GothAlice> dgran: You'll need the original .torrent files; open them up, point the download target to the current folder containing the items, and it should detect them.  (Full disclosure: I don't use uTorrent.)
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[08:02:53] <The_8472> niice, the ipv6 dht is growing. i see a bunch of transmission nodes now
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[08:17:18] <The_8472> and my dht size estimator works a lot better now too :)
[08:31:43] <alus> why does the ipv6 dht have you so excited?
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[08:40:24] <The_8472> alus, no particular reason. i just consider it a pet project of mine
[08:43:41] <The_8472> observing those things is like other people looking at the goldfish in their aquariums or trimming their bonsai trees
[08:44:14] <alus> hm. perhaps I will collect and care for stacks of money
[08:44:45] <The_8472> might not be a good idea, you wouldn't like to spend your money if you cared for it too much ^^
[08:46:45] <Switeck> I'd say better spend it quick before it's worthless
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[08:50:16] <alus> what is of worth to you, if not money?
[08:52:00] <Switeck> things
[08:52:07] <Switeck> money only has worth because of things it can buy
[08:52:32] <Switeck> then again, there is stock market stock share hysteria...but I digress
[08:55:34] <The_8472> i consider most parts of the stock market creating perverse incentives and thus not really a good way to keep an economy running, but that's just my opinion as layman
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[08:56:08] <Switeck> perverse is a good word for it.
[08:56:33] <Switeck> when it's more cost effective to pollute or make unsafe products, the stock market will reward those that do
[08:56:46] <The_8472> it's an actual term, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perverse_incentive
[08:56:54] <Switeck> until outside forces intervene
[08:57:36] <The_8472> well, the 2 main issue are externalized costs and focus on short term revenues ignoring any long-term inefficiencies
[08:57:50] <Switeck> In Hanoi, under French colonial rule, a program paying people a bounty for each rat pelt handed in was intended to exterminate rats. Instead, it led to the farming of rats. 8)
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[09:00:14] <Switeck> Did I do that? o.O
[09:02:32] <alus> that wikipedia article should be renamed Asia
[09:02:56] <The_8472> ?
[09:05:19] <alus> http://vdare.com/roberts/soviet_economy.htm
[09:06:39] <alus> http://books.google.com/books?id=OLNrl7XYBCEC&lpg=PT58&ots=9P9WUKsXK-&dq=opaque%20sunglasses%20soviet&pg=PT58#v=onepage&q=opaque%20sunglasses%20soviet&f=false
[09:08:21] <The_8472> well, that's hardly an issue only with the soviet system. if you look into western political or economical systems you'll find perverse incentives wherever you go. just ask any employee about some horribly inefficient, wasteful or otherwise idiotic procedures, investments etc. his company did and you'll hear endless stories.
[09:08:47] <The_8472> and if you ask for the why it's often: to earn a good quarterly result
[09:10:13] <alus> also, the Chinese Milk Scandal
[09:10:25] <The_8472> like a company where i interned, some consultant suggested them to split the company into 3 parts (only on the paper though) to achieve some tax advantages. but the logistic cost for the splitting (internal billing, some infrastructure had to split to satisfy the auditors, ...) came to haunt them a year later. and so they merged everything back into the old company, for even more costs
[09:10:44] <The_8472> but they DID have a few good quarterly results for their tax trickery...
[09:10:45] <alus> (which by the way happened twice)
[09:11:20] <The_8472> so, managers being paid for achieving good quarterly results... perverse incentive
[09:13:51] <Switeck> I heard of a company not claiming inventory, they literally pushed it into a corner and claimed it wasn't there.
[09:14:06] <Switeck> this was for stuff that they either couldn't sell or couldn't repair
[09:14:40] <Switeck> fortunately for them they had plenty of space
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[19:21:35] <FarmCretin> hi, ive been torrenting for 3 years or so, and ive had my client listening on ports in the 7350 - 7370 and havnt had a problem. i just read that i should listen on ports specificaly for bittorrent
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[19:22:15] <void^> where did you read that?
[19:22:52] <FarmCretin> http://btfaq.com/serve/cache/25.html
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[19:23:11] <FarmCretin> and others
[19:23:27] <FarmCretin> so i can listen on any ports i want, and only forward those ports from the router?
[19:24:00] <void^> yes
[19:24:14] <burris> yeah, any port you want, modern clients only need one
[19:24:37] <FarmCretin> why would a range be needed anyway?
[19:24:49] <burris> bram's original client used one port per torrent
[19:24:55] <void^> the text is about bittorrent 3.2. it's ancient.
[19:25:56] <FarmCretin> on the same topic, what makes a port one i shouldnt use?
[19:26:19] <kjetilho> FarmCretin: stay away from the SMTP port, port 25
[19:26:25] <void^> don't use ports <1024
[19:26:28] <kjetilho> all good ISPs block that port
[19:27:29] <FarmCretin> why? what if i wantto operate  mailserver?
[19:27:57] <kjetilho> most home users who operate mailservers don't know about it
[19:28:05] <kjetilho> they are hijacked for spamming
[19:28:29] <kjetilho> so people who really want to operate a mail server, should tell their ISP about it so that the block can be lifted
[19:29:17] <FarmCretin> also, why not <1024? what would happen if i chose 80?
[19:29:26] <kjetilho> nothing
[19:29:37] <FarmCretin> ...so?
[19:29:52] <kjetilho> it's just not worth the risk
[19:30:03] <kjetilho> some places have transparent HTTP proxies on port 80
[19:30:56] <DreadWingKnight> there are enough services with ports below 1024 reserved that it's not good form to use them
[19:30:59] <void^> conventionally <1024 are reserved for system services, eg un unix like systems you need special privileges to use those ports
[19:31:39] <FarmCretin> yea, i just noticed when i installed hddtemp that it listened on a port.
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[19:38:06] <FarmCretin> to any one with a degree in information systems or management information systems, im applying for colleges and want to talk with someone experience in the field. msg me
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