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[00:59:44] <TheSHAD0W> http://www.zeropaid.com/news/87290/lily-allen-sell-bootlegs-of-my-cds-dont-share-for-free/
[01:20:07] <The_8472> we're not sharing for free, we expect upload in return!
[01:21:01] <burris> too bad the DMCA redifined "commercial gain" to include the expectation of receipt of other copyrighted materials
[01:21:32] <burris> of cours, not everyone here is a usaian
[01:22:20] <The_8472> well, they're working on the DMCA world domination tour 2010...
[01:22:29] <burris> oh yeah, good ol harmonization
[01:22:47] <DHE> hands up those who think it'll actually work
[01:23:21] <The_8472> work as in they'll push it through or as in that it'll turn out to be something positive?
[01:23:52] <The_8472> i have full faith in the lobbyists greasing the diplomatic machinery to get things to work their way
[01:24:11] <burris> the representitives know who they represent
[01:24:17] <DHE> work as in "a law is only the law if it's enforcable". work as in "it's law, ergo people will follow it"
[01:24:20] <DHE> take your pick
[01:24:22] <The_8472> whose interests they represent you mean
[01:24:48] <The_8472> DHE, ah well... then it'll obviously fail.
[01:25:29] <burris> why is stuff still busted out into cd sized chunks, who the hell burns CDs anymore??  except rb/mp3 cds to listen to in the car?
[01:26:12] <The_8472> an album means more profit than a single for them
[01:26:24] <The_8472> that's why the studios loathe itunes... cherrypicking and all
[01:27:13] <The_8472> and i guess because the whole production cycle of bands is geared towards albums, then touring, next album, next tour... sortof like that
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[01:27:13] <burris> some people on etree, including me, are no longer labeling things by "cd" instead just going with "set1" "set2" etc...
[01:27:13] <burris> I have no idea if any given set fits on a cd or not
[01:27:16] <The_8472> makes somewhat sense
[01:27:39] <The_8472> well, of course restricting things to the SIZE of a CD doesn't make sense at all
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[01:27:53] * The_8472 loves audio-DVDs. with 5.1 sound
[01:28:23] <The_8472> a full orchestra in 5.1 is pure awesome
[01:28:47] <burris> nice, I just got a surround sound microphone... soundfield st350
[01:29:00] <burris> haven't made any 5.1 mixes, first have to get a 4-track rig
[01:29:58] <The_8472> not to mention the higher dynamic range of ac3 ...
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[09:27:43] <Milos> What's the re-request interval?
[09:27:46] <Milos> I
[09:28:01] <Milos> I'm trying to figure this out with Google but so far no luck on explaining it thoroughly. *
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[09:31:12] <uriel> Milos: ? how often a peer can contact the tracker
[09:31:43] <Milos> uriel, isn't the higher this number the better? Say, wouldn't 60 seconds be better than 1800?
[09:32:10] <uriel> better for what?
[09:32:19] <alus> Milos: http://wiki.theory.org/BitTorrentSpecification#Tracker_Response
[09:32:25] <kjetilho> 60 is higher than 1800?
[09:32:47] <alus> Milos: well, if you have too many peers, then 60 seconds is too much load
[09:33:01] <Milos> alus, too much load on whose side?
[09:33:11] <alus> on the tracker
[09:33:31] <Milos> So why is this a client option then?
[09:33:43] <alus> in which client?
[09:34:02] <Milos> Well, bittornado.
[09:34:09] <alus> I imagine it's max(client_setting, tracker_setting)
[09:35:02] <Milos> Hang on so, if someone starts seeding something then it will take up to 1800 seconds for someone to know about the new seeder?
[09:35:10] <Milos> someone else, rather.
[09:36:49] <kjetilho> Milos: no, min-interval is usually 300 seconds
[09:37:09] <Milos> kjetilho, so what's the re-request interval then...
[09:37:23] <kjetilho> Milos: the normal interval when the client has enough peers already
[09:37:32] <Milos> kjetilho, ah I see.
[09:37:38] <Milos> Hmm okay.
[09:37:46] <Milos> Thanks, I think that will do :)
[09:38:14] <mpl> hmm it's really nice that with rtorrent on can change on the fly the address it is bound to. Do most clients do that?
[09:43:59] <alus> Milos: up to 1800 seconds, but that's a max. 900 on average, and that's from the tracker. once even the first person hears of the seed and connects then they'll PEX it on average in 30 seconds
[09:44:18] <alus> Milos: then more avg 30 second hops, until it reaches the whole network
[09:44:51] <alus> and I doubt there are 30 hops in any network
[09:45:59] <alus> and to the people with full peer lists, data will flow from the seeder instead
[09:46:12] <alus> BT is quite redundant
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[10:41:22] <Milos> alus, I see.
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[12:40:14] <sinjako> hello
[12:40:18] <sinjako> i have a problem
[12:40:35] <sinjako> Can anyone help me?
[12:41:09] <DWKnight> not if you don't state what your problem is
[12:42:17] <sinjako> Bittorrent says that file exceeds filesystems max size
[12:42:28] <DWKnight> convert your hard drive to something that isn't fat32
[12:42:47] <sinjako> what?
[12:43:01] <DWKnight> the hard drive you're saving to is in FAT32
[12:43:08] <DWKnight> which has a per-file limit of 4gb
[12:43:16] <sinjako> oh
[12:43:21] <sinjako> how do i change that?
[12:43:21] <DWKnight> one of the files in your torrent is above that limit
[12:43:26] <DWKnight> you on windows?
[12:43:29] <sinjako> yea
[12:44:00] <DWKnight> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307881
[12:44:09] <sinjako> thanks
[12:44:31] <sinjako> how did you know i had a fat32 thingy?
[12:44:50] <DWKnight> because it's the only reason people get the error you gave me
[12:45:01] <DWKnight> and I do mean ONLY reason
[12:45:04] <DWKnight> nothing else causes it
[12:45:04] <sinjako> oh
[12:45:24] <sinjako> i thought you were some sort of computer jedi
[12:45:56] <DWKnight> there are days I am
[12:46:23] <sinjako> what happens then?
[12:46:46] <DWKnight> more obscure problems get solved
[12:47:12] <sinjako> like what
[12:48:46] <DWKnight> it's been a while since I last had to
[12:51:02] <sinjako> i wrote  convert D: /fs:ntfs, but it says invalid diskunit name for this drive
[12:51:13] <sinjako> take that on mister jedi
[12:52:45] <DWKnight> vista/7 or xp?
[12:52:48] <sinjako> xp
[12:52:59] <sinjako> oh wait
[12:53:12] <sinjako> now it says give name of diskunit for drive D
[12:53:20] <sinjako> i just tried again
[12:53:27] <DWKnight> volume label
[12:53:36] <sinjako> what?
[12:53:46] <DWKnight> you can get that from the properties of the drive in "My Computer"
[12:53:52] <sinjako> oh
[12:54:54] <sinjako> yea, i dont really get it
[12:56:20] <DWKnight> right-click the drive in "My Computer" and get the properties
[12:56:36] <DWKnight> the text in the box at the top of the general tab is what you have to put in for the prompt
[12:56:56] <sinjako> oh
[12:58:29] <sinjako> yay
[12:58:31] <sinjako> its done now
[12:58:35] <sinjako> thanks a shitload
[12:58:47] * sinjako gives dwknight a cookie
[12:58:58] <sinjako> its a jedi cookie
[12:59:10] <DWKnight> the young one is learning
[13:00:07] <sinjako> What is it that computer people do?
[13:00:22] <sinjako> surely you cant be on irc all the time to help people?`
[13:02:01] <sinjako> more importantly, what are you wearing?
[13:06:43] <kjetilho> sinjako: I'm in my briefs
[13:06:49] <kjetilho> sinjako: ASL?
[13:07:54] <sinjako> it was a joke
[13:08:43] <kjetilho> *disappointment*.  quickly followed by *despair*
[13:09:55] <sinjako> you forgot wilting boner
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[13:56:31] <The_8472> <sinjako> What is it that computer people do? <- we do it like scotty
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[14:19:48] <The_8472> http://www.keionline.org/node/698
[14:20:04] <The_8472> "Senators Sanders and Brown ask White House to make ACTA text public"
[14:20:44] <The_8472> ask? ... funny that they can't demand access to documents that'll have impact on legislation...
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[14:44:08] <yt2005> why is a torrent that i downloaded hash checking correctly in utorrent when i force the check, but fails the hash check for people I seed to? i know that some archives within the torrent are corrupt, so my question is why can everyone detect it except for utorrent?
[14:45:00] <yt2005> is there a "no seriously do a real hash check" menu option in utorrent that i'm missing?
[14:47:52] <The_8472> because utorrent checks that you got the archives exactly as they have been when the .torrent was created
[14:48:10] <The_8472> if someone creates a .torrent containing corrupt archive files then that's exactly what you get
[14:48:18] <The_8472> and it will pass the .torrent hash checks
[14:51:35] <yt2005> but when a client that downloads from me, some my pieces fail hash checks
[14:51:53] <yt2005> *some of my pieces fail hash checks
[14:52:00] <yt2005> like 4 of them
[14:52:03] <The_8472> that might be due to your or his router manipulating packets
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[14:52:51] <The_8472> enabling encryption might help as a workaround
[14:53:20] <yt2005> thanks
[14:54:35] <yt2005> what if i tested on my own computer? set up a client on a different port and add 127.0.0.1:<differentport> as a peer? could packets get messed around that way?
[14:55:09] <The_8472> they shouldn't, no
[14:57:29] <yt2005> ...so i tried that, and my "downloading" client does report hash fails. maybe i should just download a fresh copy
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[14:57:59] <yt2005> ...of something
[14:58:05] <The_8472> just force-recheck the one you already have
[14:58:38] <yt2005> i do, it thinks it's all good
[14:58:56] <yt2005> i'm going to grab a fresh .torrent
[14:59:01] <yt2005> maybe that's the problem
[14:59:19] <The_8472> that seems very odd
[14:59:55] <yt2005> i'm quite puzzled myself
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[15:02:38] <yt2k5> it WAS the .torrent
[15:02:40] <yt2k5> so very odd
[15:02:44] <yt2k5> hey
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[15:03:12] <yt2005> much better
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[18:13:08] <pongar> !list
[18:13:08] <BitTorrentBot> Read the /topic. No file sharing allowed.
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[19:43:39] <Miller`> i've always wondered what happens if someone does !list
[19:45:09] <mpl> Miller`: apparently he gets disappointed and he leaves...
[19:45:19] <DWKnight> in some channels you get banned outright without warning
[19:45:38] <mpl> getting kicked would be a fair compromise imho
[19:45:45] <Miller`> DWKnight: I feared that might be the case, so I haven't done it to find out...
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[20:32:04] <The_8472> that is interesting... a torrent from a private site. no private flag set.
[20:32:11] <The_8472> *leeches*
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[20:32:44] <The_8472> i hope someone gets banned for it :)
[20:35:43] <K`Tetch> the admin
[20:35:43] <K`Tetch> its not hard to set up so that the tracker adds the flag if its not there already
[20:36:39] <The_8472> i know, but they don't do it.
[20:37:30] <alus> so you want it but you want no more of them?
[20:39:34] <The_8472> no, i don't like private trackers and happily exploit the flaws that makes me dislike them
[20:46:46] <alus> so why do you hope someone gets banned?
[20:46:59] <Andrius> The_8472, tip of the day: you can find torrent files from private trackers shared on other p2p networks
[20:47:00] <alus> don't you want them to continue leaking torrents to you?
[20:47:22] <The_8472> no, i want them to see the error of their ways(tm)
[20:48:04] <Andrius> I somehow doubt you're going to stop people from using private trackers
[20:48:16] <The_8472> probably not, no
[20:48:50] <The_8472> but you do what you can :)
[20:49:34] <Andrius> they're just going to be like "omg it says I downloaded this and that but I didn't", and the admins will be like "your problem, go die"
[20:50:14] <The_8472> well, -1 private torrent user, for that particular site
[20:50:15] <The_8472> mission accomplished
[20:51:30] <alus> you could remove private tracker features from AZ
[20:52:00] <The_8472> i would like to, yes. problem is that users wouldn't like it
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[21:37:50] <alus> The_8472: so you disagree with your users
[21:38:32] <The_8472> yes
[21:38:54] <Andrius> people have different opinions, there's nothing wrong in disagreeing with someone about something
[21:39:33] <Astro> I disagree
[21:39:46] <The_8472> STONE HIM!
[21:39:54] <Astro> ok
[21:40:19] <The_8472> ok, now he's agreeing. now we can peel the stones out of his spine again
[21:41:41] * Andrius brings in the wheelchair for Astro
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