[00:01:36] <The_8472> time to break it again
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[00:02:25] <The_8472> that's what i call teamwork!
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[00:16:40] <klapaucjusz> charles: 6 minutes
[00:51:18] <morgajel> outstanding
[00:51:26] <klapaucjusz> alus: in case you're still tracking my BEP-32 code, I've just released dht-0.11.
[00:52:34] <morgajel> trying to create a torrent for a set of files-  spits out an error that UTF-8 doesn't seem to work for one of the files, so I set the filesystem_encoding to utf-16, which works on that file but chokes on the other files.
[00:52:56] <klapaucjusz> morgajel: yeah, that's silly
[00:53:20] <klapaucjusz> Which BT implementation?
[00:53:31] <klapaucjusz> You could try
[00:53:35] <klapaucjusz> something like
[00:54:05] <klapaucjusz> $ mv "$file" "$(echo $file | iconv -f utf-16 -t utf8)"
[00:54:09] <morgajel> klapaucjusz: whichever is the default with centos- lemme get package name
[00:54:29] <morgajel> klapaucjusz: bittorrent-4.4.0-1.el5.rf
[00:54:50] <morgajel> so I'd guess BT proper, if such a thing exists
[00:56:47] <morgajel> klapaucjusz: good idea with iconv, never heard of it before
[00:57:20] <klapaucjusz> Glad to be helpful.
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[01:37:26] <morgajel> hrm... ????????????????????????????????????? ... I suspect utf-16-utf8 isn't what I need...
[01:38:48] <klapaucjusz> morgajel: what does 'echo $file | hexdump -C' say?
[01:42:09] <morgajel> it shows a period where the funky character in question lies
[01:42:18] <morgajel> ?
[01:42:34] <morgajel> "Sin."
[01:43:12] <klapaucjusz> ef bf?
[01:43:20] <klapaucjusz> ef bf bd?
[01:44:27] <morgajel> e9
[01:44:55] <klapaucjusz> Does a 1/2 at this place make sense?
[01:45:15] <DHE> It's probaby suppsed to be UTF8. you're using an ASCII encoding
[01:45:38] <DHE> is that a filename?
[01:46:01] <klapaucjusz> No, it looks like it's correct UTF-8 but with some garbage at the beginning.
[01:46:07] <klapaucjusz> Just remove the first character from the filename.
[01:46:13] <TheSHAD0W> morgajel: http://imagebin.org/72587
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[01:46:53] <chelz> i didn't know you were on windiz D:
[01:47:12] <TheSHAD0W> jup.
[01:58:16] <morgajel> TheSHAD0W: that's what it looks like on my screen
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[01:59:01] <morgajel> problem is I have a boatload of files, not just one or two :/
[02:00:15] <TheSHAD0W> http://torrentfreak.com/novell-strips-bittorrent-dht-technology-from-opensuse-091122/
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[02:01:13] <klapaucjusz> TheSHAD0W: we've been through that earlier in the evening.
[02:01:15] <klapaucjusz> http://trac.transmissionbt.com/attachment/ticket/2579/0001-Make-logging-message-more-informative.patch
[02:02:17] <morgajel> hellwithit, I'm gonna rerip it all as flac anyways, I'll just remove the stuff that gives me a hard time
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[02:58:40] <hedkandi> what are all these .r0x files and how do you recombined them?
[02:58:52] <TheSHAD0W> WinRAR.
[02:58:57] <DHE> probably rar. some people are stupid and distribute files like that
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[02:59:36] <hedkandi> how do you do that on linux?
[02:59:59] <DHE> see if you have unrar in your package manager
[03:01:36] <hedkandi> is the format openly available?
[03:01:55] <TheSHAD0W> Sort of.
[03:02:31] <DHE> winrar is officially propriatery and all that, but unrar is available with source code in C++. But 7zip still kicks its ass and bittorrent handles large files without corruption so... why?
[03:03:27] <hedkandi> to get the compression?
[03:03:43] <hedkandi> I doubt you can compress h264 any more however
[03:03:57] <hedkandi> I mean, if you run gzip on a jpg you get like a 1% saving
[03:03:58] <hedkandi> haha
[03:04:26] <TheSHAD0W> It's basically used to split files up for transmission over usenet.
[03:04:36] <TheSHAD0W> Any compression is an added bonus.
[03:05:19] <DHE> and rather than torrent up the original file, they leave the chunked out files for you to deal with on your end, using almost double the needed disk space
[03:05:44] <DHE> terabyte drives may be the norm, but there's a lot of incentive for me to just delete the RAR files when I'm done disqualifying me from any future seeding
[03:05:45] <TheSHAD0W> Yup.
[03:06:32] <hedkandi> you're saying that you need the rar files to seed and the extracted archive to watch which is 2x the disc space
[03:07:38] <DHE> unless you can recreate the spanned RAR again byte-exact. and since I only have unrar, I'm disqualified
[03:08:04] <TheSHAD0W> You can't recreate them exactly anyway.
[03:08:19] <TheSHAD0W> Or at least, it's highly unlikely.
[03:08:35] <TheSHAD0W> The different RAR codebases will generate different results.
[03:08:42] <TheSHAD0W> Even between versions.
[03:08:42] <DHE> well, surely same input in, same output out. getting winrar versions right MIGHT be a problem
[03:13:19] <hedkandi> may even be processor dependent too
[03:14:01] <DHE> oh god I hope not...
[03:27:33] <chelz> damnit what
[03:27:39] <chelz> where are people getting this usenet business
[03:27:55] <chelz> absolutely not. it's about transferring the files around scene ftp topsites.
[03:28:02] <DHE> in 15 meg increments?
[03:28:10] <chelz> if they were for usenet then you'd see par files around
[03:28:23] <chelz> also the scene doesn't post stuff to usenet. every release is technically a 'leak'.
[03:33:30] <The_8472> people just put the scene .rars on usenet, that's all
[03:35:53] <hedkandi> ??
[03:37:14] <chelz> i mean more addressing why things are rar'd in the first place
[03:39:11] <K`Tetch> thats easy
[03:39:30] <K`Tetch> its basically the same reason bittorrent uses 2mb, or 4Mb or whatever pieces
[03:39:43] <K`Tetch> if theres a partial corruption, theres only 14.7Mb
[03:39:47] <K`Tetch> to reupload
[03:39:53] <chelz> yeah
[03:39:54] <K`Tetch> and it means you can multi-thread
[03:40:00] <K`Tetch> aand usually race
[03:40:09] <chelz> ah that's a good point too
[03:40:26] <The_8472> people just should unpack it before they torrent it
[03:41:04] <chelz> i know certain http dl managers have settings to have multiple connections downloading one file and that supposedly offers a speed increase in some cases, but i'm not familiar with if that tech has made it into ftp setups
[03:41:34] <The_8472> well, it offers a speed increase if the server caps individual connections to a certain speed for example
[03:41:36] <chelz> yeah ideally since it isn't needed anymore. but to verify the legitimacy of a scene release the best you really get is an sfv file, which is only for the rars
[03:41:38] <K`Tetch> yeah, theres multi-threaded fpt clients
[03:41:51] <The_8472> or if you have broken TCP congestion controllers that can't deal with a LFN
[03:41:51] <K`Tetch> and many clients have the ability to run as multiple sesions
[03:41:55] <K`Tetch> such as flashfxp
[03:42:24] <K`Tetch> I, for instance, have a per-thread limit of 100kb from a danish based ftp site i use now and then
[03:42:41] <K`Tetch> well, 100-150
[03:42:41] <The_8472> that has nothing to do with threading :P
[03:42:44] <K`Tetch> depends on the day
[03:42:53] <chelz> i think it's a nobrainer to an automated system for getting files around using ftp with bittorrent, for the speed increase alone
[03:56:22] <hedkandi> I reckon I should write a little application that just splits a large file into small bits
[03:56:34] <hedkandi> It would take me 5 minutes!
[03:56:42] <hedkandi> and recombines them again
[03:56:57] <hedkandi> haha it's such a simple application but it would save people using rar
[03:57:12] <hedkandi> what do you think?
[03:57:50] <hedkandi> I could call the format "Madrid format"
[03:58:53] <DHE> headdesk
[03:58:55] <hedkandi> or something!
[03:59:18] <TheSHAD0W> It's been done.
[03:59:27] <hedkandi> okay well I certainly hope so
[03:59:29] <TheSHAD0W> But everyone still does RAR.
[03:59:43] <hedkandi> oh dear
[03:59:58] <hedkandi> oh well that's the way the cookie crumbles
[04:01:19] <hedkandi> well aren't you people worried that the fbi are monitoring this chatroom or whatever?
[04:03:20] <DHE> then they haven't learned anything today
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[04:12:26] <hedkandi> but they could be tracing your ip addresses
[04:12:37] <hedkandi> and then they'll be tapping your lines
[04:12:56] <DHE> okay, first I'm in canada. second I know for a fact they can't do that. third, I haven't done anything they would care about.
[04:13:21] <hedkandi> where in Canada?
[04:13:33] <DHE> north of the USA border
[04:13:52] <hedkandi> you have two borders with the us
[04:14:09] <DHE> driving distance from new york
[04:14:16] <hedkandi> montreal
[04:14:34] <DHE> I have better things to do than play geography hot and cold.
[04:14:38] <hedkandi> ok
[04:14:48] <hedkandi> okay well thanks for all your advice
[04:14:58] <hedkandi> I'm going back to whatever I was doing b4.
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[04:23:32] <DHE> well as fun as that was
[04:25:03] <The_8472> what happend?
[04:25:36] <DHE> someone came in asking how to deal with a split rar... it exploded into discussion of why people use split rar, then the FBI got involved I think.
[04:26:00] <DHE> I merely report the news
[04:26:03] <The_8472> i can spot a tiny leap of thought there
[04:27:08] <DHE> well, that's pretty much the way it went...
[04:27:18] <DHE> <TheSHAD0W> But everyone still does RAR.
[04:27:18] <DHE> <hedkandi> oh dear
[04:27:18] <DHE> <hedkandi> oh well that's the way the cookie crumbles
[04:27:18] <DHE> <hedkandi> well aren't you people worried that the fbi are monitoring this chatroom or whatever?
[04:27:44] <The_8472> ah, heh... that's exactly when i DCed
[04:27:48] <DHE> you can't make this stuff up. I know. I've watched every episode of Whose Line Is It Anyway and real life always trumps it.
[04:27:55] <DHE> you want the rest of the history? (probably not)
[04:28:00] <The_8472> nah
[04:28:25] <DHE> back to the webcomic archive binge
[04:28:35] <The_8472> ^^
[04:28:50] <The_8472> webcomics are like anything else... 90% crud, 10% gems
[04:29:16] <The_8472> probably 99.99% vs 0.001% if you count all the furry ones
[04:29:29] <DHE> in related news, TV Tropes will ruin your life
[04:29:34] <DHE> or at least your bedtime.
[04:30:01] <The_8472> oh yes, they do... i spent hours browsing that site
[04:30:17] <The_8472> and since then my vocabulary became infested with tropes...
[04:31:09] <DHE> I also discovered The Abridged Series and downloaded a few. most suck, and the 90/10 rule applies, but the occasional burst of uncontrollable laughter makes it worthwhile.
[04:31:43] <DHE> and when I say most suck, I mean 99.99/0.01, and the good ones follow 90/10
[04:32:44] <The_8472> that's why i hate tv comedy... especially those with a laugh track
[04:33:01] <The_8472> they basically tell you when you have to find something funny, even if you only find a few things funny there
[04:50:58] <chelz> tvtropes never really got me too engaged. maybe i was never into tv enough.
[04:51:20] <chelz> i only got into certain shows, like 3rd rock from the sun and stuff like lost these days. never following more than 3 shows a at a time
[04:52:12] <DHE> I'm still that way. but as xkcd pointed out with wikipedia (and tvtropes) you can still burn a lot of time going between shows that you've watched before and those whose trope descriptions are way too interesting to pass up
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[14:57:16] <klapaucjusz> Oy!
[14:57:38] <klapaucjusz> When anyone meets The_8472, could you please point him at http://mldht.pastebin.com/m3a4791b7
[14:57:46] <klapaucjusz> ...and tell him I'm pissed off.
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[18:24:01] <cyb2063> [14:57:31CET] <klapaucjusz> Oy!
[18:24:01] <cyb2063> [14:57:53CET] <klapaucjusz> When anyone meets The_8472, could you please point him at http://mldht.pastebin.com/m3a4791b7
[18:24:01] <cyb2063> [14:58:01CET] <klapaucjusz> ...and tell him I'm pissed off.
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[18:26:18] <K`Tetch> yeah, i looked, expecting to see something juicy, like you screwing his mom/sister/brother/father (delete according to taste) but no, was just boring code...
[18:28:38] <andar2> yea, code is rarely juicy
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[18:31:33] <alus> you have no idea what those hosts are!
[18:31:42] <alus> one could be the entrance to the negaverse
[18:32:08] <andar2> dear god
[18:32:21] <alus> every peer it returns could be a node on the Evil DHT
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[18:36:35] <Andrius> alus, that's router.bittorrent.com?
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[18:39:57] <The_8472> meh, got the bootstrap nodes mixed up
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