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[02:18:14] <chak_666> hi all
[02:18:43] <Switeck> hi
[02:18:59] <chak_666> Switeck : do u use zamunda.net ?
[02:19:06] <Switeck> no
[02:19:16] <Switeck> not that I'm aware of XD
[02:20:16] <chak_666> do u help me
[02:20:45] <Switeck> depends on what you need
[02:21:08] <Switeck> the less I have to guess, the more I can help
[02:21:40] <chak_666> just open the  Zamunda.net
[02:22:04] <DeHackEd> connection refused
[02:22:41] <chak_666> DeHackEd : where r u from ?
[02:22:46] <DeHackEd> earth
[02:23:02] <chak_666> country ?
[02:23:06] <DeHackEd> canada
[02:23:20] <chak_666> hmm
[02:23:23] <chak_666> thank u
[02:23:32] <DeHackEd> how does that help you even slightly?
[02:24:03] <DeHackEd> my superpowers say you're from.... Turkey?
[02:24:14] <chak_666> yes
[02:24:53] <DeHackEd> cool
[02:25:11] <DeHackEd> but how does canada help you?
[02:26:07] <chak_666> I can not open here zamunda
[02:26:31] <The_8472> how... is that related to bittorrent?
[02:26:33] <chak_666> i wondered "only problem in turkey
[02:27:06] <chak_666> sorry for my english
[02:27:50] <chak_666> is that related torrent tracker.
[02:27:58] <Switeck> google cache took a while to load:  http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:Szf7F8TzLdAJ:zamunda.net/+%22zamunda.net%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
[02:28:13] <Switeck> the straight website timed out
[02:28:17] <The_8472> ah well, it seems down us us too
[02:32:42] <chak_666> i hope the site will improve
[02:32:59] <DeHackEd> thewebsiteisdown
[02:33:07] <DeHackEd> on a related note, episode 4
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[07:19:18] <mysoogal> anybody using swarmplayer ?
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[16:31:53] <burris> private flag really kills performance from lack of pex
[16:40:46] <burris> then again, if everyone is a seed then they aren't connected to each other so pex probably doesn't happen for natted peers until they hit the tracker again anyway
[16:42:50] <forceflow> does DHT respect private flags?
[16:43:18] <burris> clients which respect the flag won't announce private torrents in dht...
[16:43:25] <forceflow> I see
[16:45:45] <Switeck> clients that respect the private flag have no way of knowing that the peers/seeds that connect to it...don't.
[16:46:51] <Switeck> I'm not aware of any BT client that only connects to peers/seeds in its peer list gained from the tracker.
[16:47:35] <burris> private was demanded by tracker/index operators in response to dht
[16:47:50] <charles> Switeck: are there any clients that *don't* respect the private flag?
[16:48:07] <Switeck> yes, numerous clients don't respect teh private flag
[16:48:13] <charles> *boggle*
[16:48:20] <Switeck> generally these are called "hacked" clients...but they are very common
[16:48:24] <charles> wouldn't they get banned out of existence?
[16:48:25] <charles> ah, ok
[16:48:44] <charles> I wasn't meaning hacked clients... that makes sense
[16:48:45] <Switeck> probably more hacked clients that don't respect the private flag than Transmission clients.
[16:48:57] <charles> :)
[16:49:03] <Switeck> not all private torrents are on private trackers
[16:49:13] <burris> which is the hacked client for script kiddies that can't hack?  one with controls for uploaded exaggeration, ignore private, spoof client...
[16:49:14] <Switeck> so getting banned is not always a certainty.
[16:49:46] <Switeck> ratio cheater clients are very popular...but generally good private trackers root them out after awhile.
[16:50:48] <charles> also, many cheaters are just dumb.  I've seen Transmission hacks that just multiply the number in uploaded= by 10 or 20
[16:51:00] <Switeck> those are terrible
[16:51:21] <Switeck> I'd imagine Azureus would be the easiest to make a cheat version for...
[16:51:52] <Switeck> and it has complex seeding goals as well to make how the ratio cheater works harder to spot.
[16:52:22] <charles> possibly so
[16:52:28] <charles> it depends on how subtle the cheat detectors are
[16:53:20] <charles> definitely Vuze is the most-used open source client out there... so Vuze would be a good choice if there are trackers out there that watch for a clients' idiosyncracies
[16:53:50] <burris> all I can find is RatioMaster, and this article is a few years old, but I'm surprised there isn't a popular "cheater" client that spoofs client id
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[16:53:58] <charles> its codebase takes a little getting used to, but there are definitely a lot more Vuze peers out there to hide behind, than KTorrent or Transmission etc
[16:55:58] <burris> RatioMaster is current but RatioFaker is dead, neither are clients, I guess you run them while you're downloading other stuff I dunno
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[16:56:53] <Switeck> almost every uTorrent version has a DHT/PEX private torrent hack and ratio cheat
[17:03:34] <burris> GreedyTorrent is a proxy, maybe the others are proxies too
[17:04:00] <Switeck> a proxy how?
[17:04:20] <burris> it proxies the tracker requests and modifies them
[17:06:47] <burris> GreedyTorrent latest release is 2.5 years old, seems that RatioMaster is the only one that is still kicking
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[17:09:56] <Switeck> YouTube "bittorrent speedup" settings are more popular now...
[17:19:44] <uriel> so, who is writting a bt client in Go? ;)
[17:21:12] <burris> i am, just as soon as i finish my version in APL
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[17:24:31] <Switeck> Do most BitTorrent clients have reduced max connections for seeding torrents?
[17:26:23] <Switeck> My observations and calculations suggest that seeds need extremely few connections per torrent (typically 10 or less) even on 1+ mbit/sec upload lines.
[17:29:59] <uriel> burris: hey, apl is cool! (but Go is way more useful ;))
[17:32:06] <Switeck> http://forum.utorrent.com/viewtopic.php?id=47523
[17:37:09] <burris> is go useful?  I didn't see anything about an ffi, languages that interest me have a large library, like jvm languages such as scala or D which has C/C++ abi compatibility
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[19:31:43] <The_8472> <Switeck> My observations and calculations suggest that seeds need extremely few connections per torrent (typically 10 or less) even on 1+ mbit/sec upload lines. <- at least we provide options for that. not sure about default settings
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