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[08:46:27] <Rumpo> Morning all
[08:46:56] <Pyrrhus666> morning #angularjs Rumpo
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[08:50:05] <Rumpo> Pyrrhus666 o/
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[09:11:34] <SargoDarya> Morning folks
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[09:17:22] <Rumpo> Morning SargoDarya
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[09:21:15] <icebox> hey folks
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[09:23:33] <pupskuchen> good morning
[09:23:41] <Pyrrhus666> morning SargoDarya icebox pupskuchen
[09:24:04] <ray02> hey hey folks!
[09:24:06] <ray02> morning
[09:25:30] <SargoDarya> How's it going folks?
[09:26:07] <ray02> SargoDarya: have you made a long weekend ?
[09:26:59] <trampi> morning Pyrrhus666, SargoDarya, icebox, pupskuchen, ray02!
[09:27:11] <ray02> hey hey trampi!
[09:27:27] <SargoDarya> ray02: Nah, wasn't feeling too well yesterday and I was here on monday, just super busy.
[09:27:52] <ray02> ok
[09:28:02] <ray02> now you are back in shape ?
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[09:28:20] <Pyrrhus666> morning ray02 trampi
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[09:34:25] <pupskuchen> SargoDarya: you got me hooked on the absorber topic, I think I'm gonna build some absorbers too :D
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[09:38:55] <SargoDarya> Nice :D It's really super easy.
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<haiiokarin> Where can i assign header in this http structure? I try adding it as additional parameter and before that assigning but did not work - https://pastebin.com/1uWHaXMn
[09:41:23] <SargoDarya> pupskuchen: I got the absorber from schaumstofflager.de and the fabric from akustikstoff.com
[09:42:04] <pupskuchen> SargoDarya: cool, thanks for the hint
[09:45:31] <Verge> haiiokarin: Read the API and pay attention to the fact that HttpRequest is immutable, i.e. every call to change something will return a new completely new instance
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[09:50:13] <haiiokarin> Verge: ok reading
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[09:57:10] <storkme> why does immutability still confuse people so much in 2020 :x
[09:57:53] <haiiokarin> Verge: goddamn i have to read documentation more...
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[10:04:12] <Rumpo> storkme, I'm still amazed when I see "senior" level dev's not understanding pure functions
[10:04:54] <storkme> anyone know any good resources for e2e testing? it doesn't look like there's much on angular.io
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[10:05:44] <SargoDarya> Sure there's nothing on it?
[10:08:00] <icebox> storkmeç what do you expect?
[10:08:33] <storkme> I couldn't find anything in the testing section
[10:08:48] <icebox> ah... in official docs
[10:09:15] <storkme> yeah
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[10:12:48] <Verge> storkme: Dunno about confusion but if you don't expect for it, you'd spend a good time wondering why nothing happens
[10:14:07] <ray02> for me is that no always ppl has time to stay update to the last crispy feature
[10:15:07] <ray02> non always are things required for your specific job
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[10:17:33] <SargoDarya> Rumpo: Yea, there are a few things like that where I'm sometimes really dumbfounded as to how you can't know that as a senior.
[10:17:40] <SargoDarya> Object equality is one of those things.
[10:18:36] <SargoDarya> Also calling yourself Angular Veteran and not knowing how and when change detection triggers is mindblowing.
[10:19:40] <cadabrax> morning all!
[10:19:53] <ray02> hey hey cadabrax
[10:21:57] <pupskuchen> hi cadabrax
[10:24:11] <Rumpo> SargoDarya, I mean I get how it can be confusing to learn for someone approaching Angular2+ now, I feel it was a lot easier to understand in the AngularJS days, but completely agree. It's the same as not knowing javascript very well.
[10:25:32] <Verge> I can accept being a junior dev learning something and not knowing it well, but there's no excuse for someone more seasoned dev
[10:25:59] <pupskuchen> i think angular is easier to understand than angularJS
[10:26:15] <pupskuchen> I often found angularjs confusing
[10:26:34] <storkme> me too
[10:26:44] <Verge> I don't know much about AngularJS, I've only worked with a single botched project involving it, but to me it's quote barebone
[10:27:13] <Verge> Whereas Angular is a PITA even after six months of banging my head against hard things
[10:27:33] <Verge> But at least I can consider to understand those things I've had to come to understand so far
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[10:30:28] <Verge> But I do dislike and avoid those programmatic forms
[10:30:37] <Verge> "Reactive"
[10:30:45] <storkme> the reactive ones are the good ones
[10:30:59] <storkme> what do you do instead?
[10:31:00] <SargoDarya> I like reactive shit :D
[10:31:03] <Verge> I haven't needed them
[10:31:11] <Verge> storkme: what
[10:31:22] <Verge> Like in what situation
[10:31:38] <storkme> I mean how do you do anything with forms if not with the reactive ones
[10:31:38] <Verge> I just do the [(ngModel)] binding and be done with it
[10:31:46] <storkme> oh
[10:32:02] <storkme> no wonder you're confused with angular :>
[10:32:09] <SargoDarya> hm.. I prefer reactive forms really xD
[10:32:16] <Verge> No I am not so confused, I don't think so
[10:32:17] <storkme> i find the non-reactive forms so hard to work with
[10:32:22] <SargoDarya> ^
[10:32:39] <Verge> I rather meant that every time I think I understand something, I actually understand there is a better approach to do what I already did
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[10:32:51] <SargoDarya> *cough* reactive forms *cough*
[10:33:13] <Verge> I fail to understand what is the problem with my nice beautiful simple forms
[10:33:53] <SargoDarya> You have to write way more logic in the template that way. With reactive forms you can handle disable via code etc. It's way more decoupled from the template than ngModel
[10:34:10] <Verge> okay
[10:34:26] <SargoDarya> I'm generally not really a fan of two way bindings.
[10:35:17] <Verge> That is something I also don't get, what is the problem with that
[10:35:45] <Verge> When we (me) were starting this project, my colleague asked if we should avoid two-way bindings
[10:35:53] <Verge> I just thought that question was pretty much absurd
[10:36:07] <storkme> why did you think that?
[10:36:58] <Verge> Because that feature is basic functionality of any framework and he represented no reasoning at all to back up his thoughts
[10:37:42] <storkme> are you aware that the most popular web (nay, UI) framework at the moment - react - is based on the principle of uni-directional data flow?
[10:37:46] <icebox> at the beginning two-way bindings is the logic approach, then you improve the solution using one-way
[10:37:53] <Verge> I suppose he's made some crappy code in the past and thought the fault was in two-way bindings instead of his own logic
[10:38:05] <SargoDarya> Well, it basically limits yourself. While it might be fine for certain cases, it's much better to have concise in and outputs.
[10:38:26] <Verge> Sure but my concise inputs and outputs are on a different level
[10:38:30] <SargoDarya> You don't necessarily want to assign a change to the variable again.
[10:38:42] <Verge> Like passing an object to a component, the object is the input and output, not the fields in it
[10:39:16] <SargoDarya> So what you're saying is you're mutating inputs?
[10:39:38] <Verge> Well I did say I am using [(ngModel)] ;)
[10:39:57] <SargoDarya> Hnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng
[10:39:59] <Verge> But I rather shallow-copy the object I am working with
[10:40:07] <SargoDarya> better
[10:40:09] <Verge> yes
[10:40:23] <SargoDarya> But still. Feels Dörthe.
[10:40:26] <Verge> Mutating the working copy of the object is the issue, not having two-way bindings
[10:40:42] <Verge> And my colleague still does not get that
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[10:41:07] <SargoDarya> But you still have to handle changes yourself then by adding change listeners etc.
[10:41:26] <Verge> So far not really
[10:41:27] <SargoDarya> To me ngModel is actually more complex as you have to do so much more yourself which reactive forms just handle for you.
[10:43:02] <Verge> Maybe
[10:43:03] <icebox> Verge: agreed... bu when you need to handle mutability, you achieve to a one-way solution and state container with dispatching events
[10:43:24] <Verge> My gripe is with having to construc the form on the code and then again on the template
[10:43:43] <icebox> I see
[10:43:57] <Verge> in*
[10:44:36] <Verge> SO far our use cases are quite simple, just have a form to edit stuff, then send that stuff to the backend
[10:44:43] <SargoDarya> Constructing the form is rather easy though isn't it? new FormGroup({ myInputA: ['someValue'], myInputB: [true] })
[10:45:07] <storkme> yep, they even gave us the FormBuilder to make it easier
[10:45:16] <SargoDarya> I mean, even with ngModel you would still have myInputA and myInputB as variables.
[10:45:28] <Verge> Not really
[10:45:38] <SargoDarya> You don't even need FormBuilder storkme
[10:45:48] <Verge> What I've been doing is class Foo { myFormObject = { } as SomeEntity }
[10:45:48] <storkme> it just saves on some boilerplate
[10:46:01] <Verge> Then I bind [(ngModel)]="myFormObject.username" e.g.
[10:46:30] <Verge> Yes, I am abuser
[10:46:34] <Verge> +an
[10:46:59] <SargoDarya> Pretty sure you can do something like new FormGroup(myFormObject) as well but what do know.
[10:47:13] <SargoDarya> Anyways, you seem to have made your choice.
[10:47:25] <jlebrech> morning
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[10:47:31] <SargoDarya> Morning jlebrech
[10:47:37] <Pyrrhus666> morning jlebrech
[10:47:45] <jlebrech> y'all use some kinda websql?
[10:47:58] <Verge> SargoDarya: Well I've found a lean way to suit my simple needs
[10:48:05] <jlebrech> firebase or something?
[10:48:19] <Verge> I will consider it again when I have to step up on the ladders of complex implementations
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[10:49:42] <Pyrrhus666> jlebrech, never used it. only server side rdbms
[10:49:43] <SargoDarya> Sure, I mean as long as it works for you and gets the job done it's fine. Just saying there might be a better way and if you have any questions in regards to that feel free to ask.
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[10:51:37] <jlebrech> so with vue you have mixins which i can use to create services. but if multiple component fetch data they can't rate liit that i think
[10:51:38] <Verge> What I am not sure about is how well would the reactive approach sit with my custom form fields
[10:52:25] <Verge> Basically I've implemented a wrapper for every type of input such as <form-date [(ngModel)]="formData.someDate"> <label>Date</label> </form-date>
[10:53:00] <cadabrax> there is something I can't ever figure out in TS. Most examples dont provide TS annotations so it's up to me to come up with them when implementing the example. But very often, I have no idea what type something should be, especially when it comes from angular. For instance right now I have a variable that is the value of this.myForm.get('myGroup').controls. What's the type for that, and how do I find
[10:53:06] <cadabrax> out what type that is?
[10:53:08] <Verge> The point is I don't want to be typing Bootstrap classes all the time and there is some magic involved too
[10:53:46] <Verge> cadabrax: If you were using a proper IDE, it would tell you
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[10:54:07] <Verge> But you can also do console.log(...)
[10:54:39] <Verge> By "proper IDE" I mean just something with basic TypeScript support
[10:54:49] <Verge> I've installed some TypeScript plugin to my Atom and it works fine
[10:54:54] <storkme> my IDE (webstorm) gives me all of this info
[10:55:29] <cadabrax> well if it can find out by itself, why the fsck do I need to manually type it? man I hate TS
[10:56:18] <jlebrech> guess i'm describing vuex
[10:56:22] <Verge> I am not sure why you would need to tell it yourself
[10:56:22] <storkme> you don't need to manually type it
[10:56:33] <storkme> i don't know who told you that you did need to manually type it
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[10:59:14] <SargoDarya> Verge: We have tons of custom form field implementations. You just implement ControlValueAccessor once and then you can go wild with custom form fields.
[10:59:24] <cadabrax> if I dont tslint yells that everything needs a type
[10:59:52] <storkme> what rule is that?
[11:00:18] <cadabrax> [tslint 1] [W] expected member-variable-declaration: 'assControls' to have a typedef (typedef)
[11:00:30] <cadabrax> dont worry about the variable name :)
[11:00:51] <storkme> nice variable name 😂
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[11:06:22] <Tazmainian> Morning all
[11:07:34] <Pyrrhus666> morning Tazmainian
[11:07:42] <Tazmainian> o/ Pyrrhus666
[11:09:44] <ray02> am i online ?
[11:09:44] <ray02> yes
[11:10:02] <Pyrrhus666> no
[11:10:15] <cadabrax> I dont see what you said either ray02
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[11:10:43] <storkme> i didn't see any message ray02, you might be disconnected
[11:10:52] <pupskuchen> these chat messages are generated by some ai based on all the messages you ever received
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[11:11:20] <pupskuchen> "the offline irc client"
[11:11:25] <Pyrrhus666> you're experiencing a local copy of the matrix
[11:11:30] <cadabrax> can you imagine?
[11:11:37] <cadabrax> no one is real, only you
[11:11:44] <cadabrax> reminds me of andy weir's the egg
[11:11:46] <Pyrrhus666> the checkout would be huge
[11:12:05] <cadabrax> well storage is cheap these days they say
[11:12:18] <storkme> i can't wait to implement something like that
[11:15:05] <Pyrrhus666> plug me in scotty
[11:15:30] <icebox> ;)
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[11:15:33] <ray02> Pyrrhus666: are you say that i can type my pwd or ma credit card a nobody will read it ?
[11:15:55] <pupskuchen> it will be stored securely
[11:15:55] <icebox> OT: in these weeks I am watching Picard... interesting
[11:15:56] <Pyrrhus666> ray02, no, it will show up hidden. like *****
[11:16:40] <trampi> hunter2
[11:16:48] <trampi> ;-)
[11:17:00] <ray02> pupskuchen/ Pyrrhus666 ok then i'm good
[11:17:13] <ray02> trampi: how do you know it !
[11:17:26] <pupskuchen> ai prediction
[11:17:37] <ray02> ahah
[11:19:59] <trampi> :D
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[11:28:46] <SargoDarya> Classic
[11:29:49] <ray02> with the Ai around this kind of jokes are having a new life :D
[11:30:30] <pupskuchen> I burnt my thumb on the toaster yesterday
[11:31:11] <pupskuchen> just in case you were curious
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[11:31:59] <stennowork> morning
[11:32:34] <pupskuchen> hi stennowork
[11:32:39] <stennowork> o7
[11:33:32] <SargoDarya> Morning stennowork o/
[11:33:47] <stennowork> salut o/
[11:33:54] <stennowork> time to learn a lot about docker
[11:36:03] <Pyrrhus666> isn't there a newer hypetrain yet ?
[11:36:16] <Pyrrhus666> and morning stennowork
[11:36:37] <pupskuchen> kubernetes maybe?
[11:36:43] <pupskuchen> it's related though
[11:37:43] <stennowork> morning
[11:37:47] <stennowork> eeh
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[11:43:46] <storkme> kubernetes utilizes docker
[11:44:44]
<Pyrrhus666> OT, I knew that password gag was classic, but it even is top 1 on bash.org : http://bash.org/?top
[11:45:14] <pupskuchen> but docker was around for a while before kubernetes came up / got "hyped", right?
[11:45:19] <Pyrrhus666> and now some of you will waste hours reading all that
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[11:45:39] <Pyrrhus666> pupskuchen, yes, I think so
[11:45:51] <storkme> right, that's because kubernetes is like a management layer on top of docker
[11:45:54] <pupskuchen> Pyrrhus666: what have you done :(
[11:46:04] <pupskuchen> I know
[11:46:17] <pupskuchen> I wasn't sure if it was there from the beginning
[11:46:32] <pupskuchen> of the docker era
[11:47:06] <Pyrrhus666> don't know exactly, but the kubernetes hype was later than the start of the docker hype
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[11:58:05] <storkme> it would have to be, I'm sure, since kubernetes is pretty much built on docker
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[12:15:50] <Pyrrhus666> storkme, read that yesterday. cool story :)
[12:16:30] <stennowork> according to docker, kubernetes is for 'scaling your app'
[12:16:33] <stennowork> thats not required
[12:17:23] <Pyrrhus666> kubernetes is more orchestration and not containerization in itself, innit ?
[12:17:38] <storkme> correct
[12:17:59] <stennowork> what is meant with 'orchestration' here?
[12:18:15] <SargoDarya> Pyrrhus666: I think I know almost all quotes of bash.org. I wasted way too much time on that one.
[12:18:29] * stennowork same
[12:18:34] <Pyrrhus666> SargoDarya, you and me both
[12:18:41] <Pyrrhus666> and more, I guess :)
[12:18:52] <storkme> if docker is used to run containers on a host, kubernetes is used to run multiple containers across multiple hosts
[12:18:54] <stennowork> also german-bash.org but i stopped reading that one at some point
[12:19:07] <stennowork> storkme, and those hosts all interact with each other?
[12:19:11] <storkme> yep
[12:19:14] <stennowork> gotcha, thanks
[12:19:23] <stennowork> well that might be useful later
[12:19:31] <stennowork> "na kleine, wie heisst du denn?" "patrick"
[12:19:55] <Aquazi> hey all, struggling with a library: primeng. I'm currently on angular 8.2.6, and primeng 8.1.1 (last version)
[12:19:56] <stennowork> ^ from german-bash.org
[12:19:57] <SargoDarya> stennowork: I managed to get on there once.
[12:20:05] <SargoDarya> Not proud of that one.
[12:20:12] <stennowork> SargoDarya, lets see :D
[12:20:19] <Aquazi> I don't understand where the css dependencies go, and why do they have this style of import
[12:20:26] <Aquazi> <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="/node_modules/primeicons/primeicons.css" />
[12:20:45] <stennowork> SargoDarya, evil you
[12:20:55] <stennowork> oh that has like 2500 upvotes, not bad
[12:21:09] <SargoDarya> Honestly though, don't give your root passwords to internet strangers.
[12:21:15] <stennowork> sounds like a good idea
[12:21:41] <SargoDarya> 2009, over 11 years ago. Nice.
[12:21:47] <Pyrrhus666> I would just have changed the pw and locked the other guy out
[12:23:05] <SargoDarya> Nah, he probably still could've reset the password over the rescue terminal.
[12:23:16] <SargoDarya> Or not, considering his lack of knowledge.
[12:23:50] <SargoDarya> Anyways, I'm not too evil. I made a backup before and handed it to him. Just wanted to teach him a little lesson.
[12:23:59] <Pyrrhus666> often you have a serial console to rescue stuff, but that still needs the root pw
[12:24:27] <SargoDarya> Does it? Pretty sure Hetzner resets the password to something else if you use the rescue console.
[12:25:29] <Pyrrhus666> could be, my experience with vps is limited. with the provider we haa, you just had the serial console, afaik
[12:25:36] <Pyrrhus666> *had
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[12:45:25] <lilalinux> Is there a material table with header col instead of header row?
[12:46:30] <lilalinux> i.e. one column for the keys and one column for values
[12:52:45] <jlebrech> anyone also use rails? i recommend gon gem. it's great
[12:52:45] <SargoDarya> Nah, but meanwhile UE4 got me hooked.
[12:52:53] <stennowork> lol rails
[12:53:06] <jlebrech> shh :)
[12:53:23] <jlebrech> SargoDarya, oh what did you do in UE4?
[12:54:08] <SargoDarya> Working on a gameplay prototype for my smash as much stuff as you can game.
[12:55:09] <haiiokarin> Saw other day description of game, looking forward for that :D
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[12:57:07] <SargoDarya> I'll definitely keep you all updated. So far I'm spending most of my time on that now.
[12:57:12] <jlebrech> SargoDarya, different ways to smash?
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[12:58:41] <SargoDarya> That's the plan. Currently I'm just working on a non vr gameplay thing, for VR I intend to also have toughness modifiers where you need to hit stronger or need special things to destroy stuff but that's future Dans problem.
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[13:02:09] <SargoDarya> Yesterday I also found the song I want to use for the slow motion triggering scenes :D Glad to know it's in the public domain so if I record it I can use it for free \o/
[13:02:29] <stennowork> is it called 'SUPER HOT SUPER HOT SUPER HOT'
[13:03:22] <SargoDarya> Nope, Flower Duet. Just listen to the beginning and imagine a stapler flying in slowmotion into the face of your hated boss.
[13:03:47] <stennowork> leo delibes?
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[13:04:01] <SargoDarya> yes
[13:04:10] <stennowork> hmm great choice
[13:04:22] <stennowork> this really invokes images of things exploding in very slow motion
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[13:06:09] <SargoDarya> And as soon as it hits, I firgure something akin to redneck from lamb of god playing as you start smashing the shit out of everything xD
[13:06:26] <SargoDarya> But first you need the record scratch
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[13:06:35] <SargoDarya> Man, my imagination goes wild on that one.
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[13:07:09] <stennowork> haha
[13:07:48] <stennowork> oh lamb of god is groove metal
[13:08:33] <stennowork> so like pantera without phil anselmo which makes it infinitely better than pantera
[13:09:09] <SargoDarya> xDDD
[13:09:32] <stennowork> seriously fuck phil anselmo
[13:10:20] <SargoDarya> But I refined the idea a little bit. It doesn't just start with you smashing shit, you first have to find a given amount of triggers to get triggered enough to smash. That adds at least a little gameplay depth.
[13:12:11] <stennowork> sounds like fun
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[13:21:54] <pupskuchen> SargoDarya: can you switch roles so you're the one who's triggering the guy and then you have to avoid being hit or so?
[13:23:45] <SargoDarya> pupskuchen: I don't think so. I might add multiplayer later so you have coop smashing or competetive smashing.
[13:24:37] <pupskuchen> competitive smashing, lol
[13:25:21] <pupskuchen> "amok simulator"
[13:25:51] <SargoDarya> Nah, it's not about amok. You can't smash people as they won't have any value in game.
[13:26:21] <pupskuchen> I see
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[13:30:09] <storkme> it was a good book
[13:35:32] <jlebrech> stennowork, what backend do you use? i'm thinking of using go with vue and some later point
[13:36:34] <Aquazi> Anybody understands how these imports work and where they go?
[13:36:38] <Aquazi> <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="/node_modules/primeicons/primeicons.css" />
[13:36:44] <Aquazi> notice the href is to local node modules
[13:37:24] <stennowork> jlebrech, symfony 5
[13:38:35] <SargoDarya> Aquazi: Include that in your styles.scss or in your angular.json file.
[13:39:06] <jlebrech> stennowork, nice. wish i had symfony when i was a php dev.
[13:39:25] <stennowork> jlebrech, for a php framework, symfony(5) is really really nice
[13:43:25] <jlebrech> :)
[13:43:49] <jlebrech> i need to move away from rails, too many folders
[13:44:18] <stennowork> i was such a ruby fanboy at some point in time, but i really got disgusted how ruby gets abused by rails :D
[13:44:22] <jlebrech> and it's not structured with js libs in mind
[13:44:23] <stennowork> and now i don't like it anymore
[13:45:08] <jlebrech> i was thinking of moving to padrino maybe. i was a fan of ramaze but it fell off a cliff
[13:45:14] <jlebrech> no more maintenance
[13:45:40] <stennowork> never heard of that
[13:45:57] <stennowork> oh sinatra
[13:46:00] <stennowork> sinatra is love
[13:46:12] <Pyrrhus666> he did it his way
[13:46:15] <stennowork> sinatra is the best framework ever and it inspired so many other good frameworks (express)
[13:46:29] <jlebrech> sinatra is similar really
[13:46:43] <storkme> i don't think much of express, it's so basic
[13:46:46] <stennowork> padrino is built upon sinatra according to their pages
[13:46:54] <stennowork> storkme, reduced to the max
[13:46:54] <storkme> good for prototypes..
[13:47:01] <jlebrech> yeah, i a suite on top of sinatra
[13:47:30] <jlebrech> i kinda like the framework built on lua the guy who made itch.io also built
[13:47:39] <stennowork> i really don't like lua :/
[13:47:54] <stennowork> i apprechiate its embeddable properties but thats about it
[13:48:02] <jlebrech> it's interesting at least
[13:48:24] <stennowork> oh yeah that looks like sinatra
[13:48:34] <jlebrech> i think he was in the game industry and only knew lua. so everything he builds is lua, genius
[13:48:39] <stennowork> haha
[13:49:12] <jlebrech> yeah i prefer the sinatra way. esp paired with frontend js
[13:49:21] <SargoDarya> Being in the game industry and only knowing Lua is weird though
[13:49:36] <jlebrech> i'm not sure really
[13:49:43] <Aquazi> SargoDarya: thanks it worked
[13:49:46] <jlebrech> i think he picked it up there
[13:49:55] <jlebrech> he has a talk
[13:50:05] <stennowork> my favorite roguelike nethack now builds levels with lua
[13:50:10] <stennowork> its embedded into K&R C
[13:50:14] <SargoDarya> Aquazi: You're most welcome.
[13:50:24] <SargoDarya> Lol, for a moment I completely forgot I helped someone again xD
[13:50:24] <pupskuchen> maybe we should consider opening an ##angular-offtopic channel or so
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[13:50:46] <SargoDarya> pupskuchen: Nah, why?
[13:50:50] <jlebrech> lua is a good glue language.
[13:50:56] <SargoDarya> ^
[13:51:10] <SargoDarya> Yes. I think I saw WoW plugins written in Lua
[13:51:33] <stennowork> a friend embedded haskell to extract some data from a file :D
[13:51:57] <pupskuchen> SargoDarya: sometimes it gets easy to mix up offtopic and ontopic stuff, especially when you're not following the chat all the time :D
[13:52:07] <jlebrech> you could have an App DSL which does 99% of the app building (backend and frontend) in lua and then the final 1% in JS or go.
[13:52:30] <SargoDarya> pupskuchen: But then I would have no reason to be in the channel anymore :P
[13:52:59] <pupskuchen> you'd be helping here, ontopic and chatting in the other chan, offtopic
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[13:53:26] <jlebrech> we're pretty much experts in angularjs or have moved on at this point :) is there even a angular without the js channel?
[13:53:34] <pupskuchen> but it was just a suggestion, I don't really care :P
[13:53:46] <SargoDarya> I don't think so
[13:54:12] <jlebrech> this channel is offtopic+angular mostly :D
[13:54:16] <stennowork> i acknowledge that ongoing offtopic discussions might distract from actual ontopic discussion - imho ontopic discussions should always take priority
[13:54:41] <SargoDarya> stennowork: They usually do. I always do my homework first then I go OT again :P
[13:56:03] <stennowork> :)
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[13:59:54] <Ben_1> good point! I have a question :D when I manually reload my angular application on a subroute e.g. /foo/ it redirects me to /foo/foo. I have the subjective assumption that this behavior only happend after angular 9 update but I don't really know. Is this a known issue?
[14:04:16] <SargoDarya> Ben_1: Are you having lazy loaded modules?
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[14:04:32] <Ben_1> SargoDarya: yes
[14:05:02] <SargoDarya> Is foo by any chance your default route where it redirects too?
[14:06:01] <Ben_1> My main application does always redirect to my foo project (path /foo) and the root path of the foo application is ''
[14:08:37] <Ben_1> SargoDarya: yes, 'foo' is the default redirect if nothing is found
[14:08:46] <Ben_1> maybe I should change this to /foo
[14:11:29] <SargoDarya> Yea, I would have to see your routes to see what's going on exactly there.
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[14:14:12] <icebox> storkme: docker !== kubernetes
[14:14:13] <Ben_1> I don't know what I did but now nothing is working :D
[14:14:13] <Ben_1> have a nested app-root object in DOM but that's it.
[14:17:04] <Ben_1> SargoDarya: ah ok, when I always use /foo nothing won't work. Only if I use 'foo' for the module and '/foo' to redirect
[14:17:24] <Ben_1> But anyway, the issue of 'foo/foo' is still there
[14:17:30] <Ben_1> I will create a pastebin for you
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[14:35:31] <SargoDarya> Ben_1: Looks pretty correct to me. You might be able to enable routeTracing to see what the router is doing in detail
[14:42:05] <Ben_1> SargoDarya: mh ok, following scenario: url in addressbar is /foo and I reload manually. Angular redirects to /foo/foo. In NavigationStart url param is '/'. I think it should be '/foo' or I am wrong? Maybe a baseHref issue? But baseHref is "" in my environments.
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[15:15:15] <storkme> icebox: what was it that i said that gave you the impression that i don't know that docker and kubernetes are different things?
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[15:18:53] <SargoDarya> Ben_1: Absolutely no clue right now. The router is one of those things I barely know.
[15:19:16] <Ben_1> SargoDarya: thank you anyway. The router is some kind of rocket science I think
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[15:24:48] <baako> hi
[15:26:10] <stennowork> hiya baako
[15:26:11] <SargoDarya> Hi baako
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[15:26:28] <baako> sup stennowork
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[15:27:26] <baako> quick question not sure if its possible. is it possible to get ng to add a string at the end of a file during the build process?
[15:27:29] <stennowork> currently i am annoying by having to do service tasks that are unrelated to my actual job, software developer
[15:27:42] <stennowork> webpack can do that, bh
[15:27:44] <stennowork> baako,
[15:28:07] <baako> stennowork: lol I understand, i write php and now am doing js stuff so far loving it lol
[15:28:48] <SargoDarya> baako: afaik the prod build does this by default.
[15:28:58] <SargoDarya> Adds a content-hash at the end of the filename
[15:29:24] <stennowork> (and ng build uses webpack to my knowledge)
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[15:31:28] <baako> i need to add "<script type="text/javascript" src="cordova.js"></script>" to the index.html just after <app-root></app-root> when i run ng build -c=mobile
[15:32:16] <baako> not sure if the webpack might handle that kind of madness
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[15:35:14] <Pyrrhus666> configure a separate index for the configuration 'mobile' in your angular.json
[15:35:20] <Pyrrhus666> ^baak
[15:35:34] <Pyrrhus666> ^ baako
[15:38:50] <baako> Pyrrhus666: are you referring to the input and output with index?
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[15:42:37] <Pyrrhus666> where the referred index.html already has the js <script> tag
[15:44:46]
<baako> Pyrrhus666: i looked at that but dont think this will work. because https://kopy.io/cp485
[15:45:36] <baako> this is what get generated when my ng build mobile and ng build runs
[15:45:59] <Pyrrhus666> add the cordova script to the template index.html
[15:46:05] <baako> however when i specific the build target the new script target needs to get inserted
[15:46:11] <Pyrrhus666> then it will be present in the output as well
[15:46:33] <Pyrrhus666> that's why you have an index.html per build target
[15:46:36] <baako> Pyrrhus666: that will break when running on browser because cordova.js doesnt exist
[15:46:58] <Pyrrhus666> hence different indexes for each build target
[15:46:58] <baako> it only exist when i run a different command which is cordova run android
[15:47:16] <baako> which then generated the android app
[15:47:43] <Pyrrhus666> I still say different index.html templates per build target
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[15:55:46] <baako> Pyrrhus666: alright that works, was overthinking it
[15:56:36] <Pyrrhus666> baako, nice :)
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[15:58:06] <baako> Pyrrhus666: whats the aot in your example?
[15:58:55] <Pyrrhus666> baako, it's from an angular 7.1 file, to turn on aheadOfTime compiling. I think that's not needed anymore
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[16:02:06] <Ben_1> mh interesting, when I wanna route to a child module, the parent component is loaded to the router-outlet, so now I have two nested parent components
[16:02:12] <Ben_1> weird shit
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[16:08:15] <stennowork> baako, why does it need to be _after_ the app-root?
[16:16:23] <baako> stennowork: because
[16:16:47] <baako> without cordova.js file the other js stuff will not work
[16:17:13] <stennowork> wait your js files are in your body?
[16:17:20] <baako> nope
[16:17:29] <baako> gets added when ng build runs
[16:18:45] <Ben_1> it seems having an lazy loaded parent with an empty path in its routing file and multiple children of this lazy loaded parent, angular has problems
[16:18:46] <baako> when ng build -c=mobile runs it then looks like
[16:19:12] <stennowork> why are they in te body :,
[16:19:13] <stennowork> :<
[16:19:18] <stennowork> what kind of silliness is that
[16:19:33] <stennowork> maybe async/defer keyword is not supported for mobile?
[16:20:15] <Pyrrhus666> half the web has script tags in the body, no ?
[16:20:42] <stennowork> yes, because half the web was done before async/defer was a thing or without knowledge of the same attributes
[16:21:02] <stennowork> it is in the end of the body to guarantee that the DOM is loaded before the script gets executed
[16:21:20] <stennowork> but defer will wait until the dom is loaded, then execute script, then fire DOMContentLoaded
[16:21:49] <stennowork> scripts inside the body is at least unsemantic imo
[16:21:58] <Pyrrhus666> meh. html5 allows it
[16:22:15] <stennowork> html allows a lot of things
[16:22:32] <stennowork> mostly because html is very scared about deprecation, because that might break a lot of the web
[16:22:38] <Pyrrhus666> it doesn't allow some of the crap angular inserts into it ;)
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[16:23:39] <Pyrrhus666> semantically it should probably be in the head, you're right there, but still...
[16:26:06] <stennowork> i asked in #html, lets see
[16:26:12] <stennowork> maybe they can come up with something i missed
[16:26:56] <Pyrrhus666> since html has once again descended into tagsoup hell after ditching xhtml I gave up all hope of sanity ;)
[16:27:42] <stennowork> xhtml had very specific use-cases, displaying markup in the browser is not one of them imo
[16:28:05] <Pyrrhus666> imho it was. used it for over a decade xith xslt. pure joy
[16:28:20] <Pyrrhus666> *with
[16:29:39] <stennowork> how does xslt enter into it? can't you use xslt to format into html instead of xhtml?
[16:30:02] <Pyrrhus666> no. I used xslt to produce xhtml
[16:30:26] <Pyrrhus666> nobody sane can even begin to actually male sense of tagsoup
[16:30:31] <Pyrrhus666> *make
[16:32:37] <stennowork> lol
[16:34:00] <Pyrrhus666> (hence html parsers are by definition insane)
[16:35:05] <stennowork> yes
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[16:35:11] <Pyrrhus666> I would have loved for browsers to simply refuse to render if the file is incorrect, like with any sgml)
[16:35:12] <stennowork> ref. that infamous SO post
[16:35:30] <Pyrrhus666> you mean the insane regex parser ?
[16:35:33] <stennowork> yes
[16:35:48] <Pyrrhus666> also the email address validator :P
[16:36:17] <stennowork> i think its not possible to properly validate email by regexp
[16:36:40] <Pyrrhus666> more likely than parse html. but still very hard
[16:36:47] <SargoDarya> It probably is, it's just that doing so is completely stupid.
[16:36:55] <stennowork> pretty sure you need an AST for that
[16:37:29] <stennowork> "foo :P bar 💩"@x is a valid email i think
[16:37:51] <Siecje> Don't you need a TLD?
[16:38:01] <stennowork> no
[16:38:13] <Siecje> Like x.com?
[16:38:18] <stennowork> no
[16:38:43] <stennowork> anything that can be resolved by DNS (i _think_)
[16:38:44] <Siecje> So if I have x.com and you have x.pizza where does the email get sent?
[16:38:52] <stennowork> it gets send to x
[16:38:59] <stennowork> whatever the DNS resolves it to
[16:39:08] <Siecje> Do you have an example?
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[16:39:12] <stennowork> of what?
[16:39:23] <Siecje> A website without a .com ending
[16:39:30] <Pyrrhus666> whatever the MX records points to
[16:39:32] <stennowork> this is about emails, not website
[16:39:34] <Siecje> of a DNS resolving something like that.
[16:39:42] <stennowork> sure
[16:39:47] <stennowork> i can show you my /etc/hosts file here
[16:40:06] <Siecje> So not a real email then.
[16:40:09] <stennowork> ?
[16:40:40] <Pyrrhus666> foo at [127 dot 0.0.1] is also valid. no need for a domain
[16:40:40] <stennowork> if the service using that email has a DNS entry for 'x', it will resolve properly
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[16:41:02] <stennowork> right
[16:41:54] <stennowork> anyway, back to a point you made a few minutes ago: i think the html specs are very lax and forgiving by design - it was seen to be aiding the spread of the WWW
[16:42:02] <stennowork> similar reason why early JS was so terrible
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[16:42:33] <stennowork> the HTML specs itself contains sections about how to gracefully handle non-spec compliant HTML code
[16:42:44] <stennowork> which is a bit silly but there you are
[16:42:50] <SargoDarya> Siecje: localhost, best example
[16:42:50] <Pyrrhus666> which is why I think it's sad xhtml was never an enfoceable stanrd
[16:43:30] <Pyrrhus666> *enforceable standard, djeez
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[16:51:08] <baako> stennowork: sorry for the late reply.
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[16:52:46] <baako> script tag in the body is not a crime especially seen i dont want my site to fall apart completely if some idiot still uses IE6
[16:52:56] <baako> LOL
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[16:56:37] <stennowork> damn, you want to support IE6?
[16:56:56] <stennowork> can you even transpile angular to IE6
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[16:57:44] <Pyrrhus666> sure. if you emscripten chrome and use that as a polyfill for IE6 ?
[16:57:52] <stennowork> :D
[16:57:56]
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[16:59:50] <Pyrrhus666> ok, off. l8r folks !
[17:01:01] <SargoDarya> baako: You sure do realise that even IE11 is officially dead right?
[17:01:15] <SargoDarya> Like, not supported anymore.
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[17:02:35] <stennowork> laters Pyrrhus666
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[17:13:04] <Ben_1> I've imported the HttpClientModule to the module where my component is declared and I imported HttpClient and HttpHeaders to my component. What else could cause this issue?
[17:13:04] <Ben_1> ERROR Error: "Uncaught (in promise): NullInjectorError: StaticInjectorError(AppModule)[SvgComponent -> HttpClient]: StaticInjectorError(Platform: core)[SvgComponent -> HttpClient]: NullInjectorError: No provider for HttpClient!
[17:13:11] <baako> thats good because only 2% of stuff will work on that
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[17:15:36] <Ben_1> btw the Component is in my external library, so I wanna use the HttpClient in an external library
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[17:23:06] <icebox> storkme: [11:58 #angularjs] <storkme> it would have to be, I'm sure, since kubernetes is pretty much built on docker
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[17:25:18] <storkme> icebox: surely that implies a difference
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[17:32:36] <icebox> storkme: ok... I misunderstood you... sorry
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[17:35:58] <white_shadow> which workload to download for developing in visual studio?
[17:36:11] <Dibejzer> Is it a bad practice if I use a setter to send "events" to a child component, without setting any value?
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[17:37:59] <Ben_1> is someone of you using httpclient in an external library?
[17:38:26] <Ben_1> Dibejzer: why not just using a simple function?
[17:38:42] <Dibejzer> to avoid the whole viewchild thing
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[18:05:47] <white_shadow> Hi
[18:05:49] <white_shadow> anyone here
[18:06:55] <Auger> anyone have a better way to track file upload progress, the 'reportProgress' param in a raw HttpRequest appears to tell how much of the file is currently being uploaded, not how much has actually been finished being uploaded
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[18:57:29] <Ben_1> In Angular Library is it recommended to export the component explicitly in public api or exporting the component in a module and export this module in public api?
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[19:19:46] <backthatbishop> Why does everyone insist on using react?
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[19:21:29] <ray02> lol
[19:21:41] <ray02> ask in the react channel :D
[19:27:40] <backthatbishop> :P
[19:28:05] <backthatbishop> y'all seen dart/flutter - that looks pretty amazing
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[20:00:49] <storkme> i'veh eard good things about dart/flutter
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[20:45:00] <storkme> do you people bother explicitly adding return types to your functions
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[20:59:06] <Auger> storkme: yes
[21:00:28] <storkme> how come?
[21:01:02] <Auger> readability
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