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[08:02:39] <Tazmainian> Morning all
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[08:08:51] <pupskuchen> good morning
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[08:29:12] <icebox> hey folks
[08:33:17] <Tazmainian> morning icebox
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[08:44:34] <Pyrrhus666> morning #angularjs
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[08:48:03] <littlepython> hi ther
[08:48:21] <littlepython> I am able to do a curl to trigger something using a link with parameters and headers and that works
[08:48:28] <littlepython> but from angular its not working
[08:48:30] <littlepython> what could be the reason
[08:49:03] <Verge> what?
[08:49:57] <icebox> littlepython: give a look with the debugger... console log and network tab
[08:50:45] <icebox> littlepython: no logs? cors? is the request ok? and so on
[08:51:02] <littlepython> why cors here?
[08:51:57] <icebox> littlepython: we don't know anything about your app and your setup andhow you tested it with curl... so I am giving you a few hints
[08:52:15] <icebox> littlepython: not applying? good for you
[08:52:23] <littlepython> sure...
[08:52:50] <Verge> For me that explanation just made no sense
[08:53:02] <Verge> To trigger "something"
[08:53:19] <Verge> I am guessing that means calling a backend endpoint
[08:53:44] <Verge> But what the hell is a link with curl
[08:53:55] <littlepython> thats the jenkins api link
[08:54:04] <Verge> ah, okay
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[08:55:04] <Verge> So your Jenkins is probably not configured for use from within a browser
[08:55:22] <Verge> (I have no experience with Jenkins)
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[08:58:56] <littlepython> hmm but why would it work from my mac to trigger a job in a server
[08:59:05] <littlepython> and why not it doesnt work from browser
[09:00:40] <Verge> You have to be more specific with your stuff
[09:00:47] <Verge> Having Mac does not really have anything to with it
[09:01:15] <Verge> Are you saying that on your Mac you are able to call Jenkins from a browser and on another computer you are not?
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[09:01:46] <Pyrrhus666> if you can trigger the url from your mac with curl, you should be able to do it from your mac via the browser, assuming the requests are identical.
[09:01:57] <Pyrrhus666> which I guess they aren't. so debug.
[09:01:59] <Verge> Browsers are very strict about security issues with cross-domain access and that is why there are additional requirements
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[09:02:31] <Pyrrhus666> if CORS is not an issue, then that shouldn't really matter
[09:03:15] <Verge> That's kind of a huge assumption...
[09:03:37] <Pyrrhus666> didn't they just say cors wasn't an issue ? I thought I saw that...
[09:03:55] <Verge> no
[09:04:11] <Pyrrhus666> even so, cors would then be an issue with curl too, and it isn't
[09:04:30] <Verge> umm
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[09:04:59] <Verge> Is there some browser mode emulation in curl?
[09:05:18] <Verge> By default it only sends the request you tell it to and it does not perform any CORS validation
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[09:06:40] <Pyrrhus666> afaik cors is just headers, they would be needed in curl too. otherwise it would be a shitty protection, no ?
[09:07:00] <Pyrrhus666> or not ? now I'm confused :)
[09:07:11] <Verge> not really
[09:07:17] <cadabrax> howdy
[09:07:22] <Pyrrhus666> morning cadabrax
[09:07:37] <Verge> Browsers perform an OPTIONS preflight request before the actual POST/GET/whatever you are asking for
[09:07:44] <cadabrax> Pyrrhus666: just jumping in, but I dont think curl does CORS at all
[09:08:00] <Verge> And if the backend fails to process that, the browser will reject the intended action
[09:08:04] <cadabrax> you can see the header to debug etc with curl, but it doesn't enforce any kind of cors policy
[09:08:14] <Verge> yes
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[09:08:33] <Pyrrhus666> huh, okay, til :)
[09:08:34] <Verge> Browsers also validate the response headers before passing control to the JS app, curl does not give to flicks about it
[09:08:43] <Verge> two*
[09:09:01] <cadabrax> Pyrrhus666: lucky you, it might save you hours of debugging now that you know that! you didn't have to learn the hard way haha
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[09:10:28] <Verge> Maybe his responsibility on the backend side is limited to filing a ticket saying "it does not work"
[09:10:32] <Pyrrhus666> haven't done CORS in about a year now, seems I forget quickly :)
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[09:17:21] <cadabrax> Pyrrhus666: cors can be tricky
[09:17:33] <Verge> I don't know
[09:17:36] <Verge> It is quite straightforward
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[09:18:20] <Verge> But learning the details by failure after failure takes requires some resilience
[09:19:13] <Pyrrhus666> seems the fact that a http request isn't simply a http request when it originates in the browser is the bit throwing people off. like me.
[09:19:15] <Verge> I mean, at least Chrome gives out good error messages WRT what is the issue
[09:19:19] <Verge> So it is easy to fix
[09:19:27] <Pyrrhus666> so does firefox :P
[09:20:13] <Verge> And even PHP is flexible enough to handle the preflights
[09:20:29] <littlepython> my friend told thats a cors issue
[09:20:39] <littlepython> but how to enable cors
[09:20:52] <Verge> Check Jenkins manual
[09:20:56] <littlepython> this is my first few minutes with someone else's angular script
[09:21:06] <littlepython> ok cors with jenkins? i thought it was from angular
[09:21:20] <Verge> Handling CORS is about configuring the backend
[09:21:32] <Pyrrhus666> Verge, afaik you don't need to if you configure your nginx/apache correctly. which is easier.
[09:21:49] <Pyrrhus666> I've never handled preflight requests myself
[09:21:55] <Verge> Pyrrhus666: Sure but that is not always the best solution
[09:22:08] <Pyrrhus666> technically it is, imho ;)
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[09:22:31] <Rumpo> Good morning
[09:22:33] <Verge> For example you might want to actually verify that the callee (domain) is allowed to perform calls to your backend
[09:22:40] <Verge> Not just tell the server to accept anything
[09:23:20] <Pyrrhus666> you can still do that in php. but also in apache/nginx
[09:23:51] <Verge> It is too easy to just configure the server to reply with Access-Control-Allow-Origin: $referer_domain but that is not the intention of adding this step in the first place
[09:24:29] <Verge> Pyrrhus666: Yes if there is a fixed whitelist
[09:25:34] <Pyrrhus666> Verge, no, I mean if the server handles the preflight, you can still use php to white/blacklist
[09:26:57] <Verge> Yes but I would do this verification in the preflight phase
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[09:28:47] <Pyrrhus666> to me, the preflight is truly cors, authentication, authorization doesn't really fit there. but sure, you can :)
[09:29:20] <Verge> You are required to respond to any CORS request, including preflight, with valid information
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[09:29:55] <Verge> And I would not resort to putting something bs in the preflight juts to allow the browser send a second request that is destined to fail
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[09:30:57] <Verge> The other reason is that for me it is better to have fully functional standalone app that is not dependent on finegrained server configuration
[09:31:06] <Pyrrhus666> it's two separate phases, as I see it. I see no problem there. the preflight just tells you it accepts cross-domain requests. but like I said, you can do it like that if you want
[09:31:09] <Verge> But that probably depends a little bit on the platform too
[09:31:38] <Verge> Pyrrhus666: No, preflight is about more than just that
[09:31:47] <Pyrrhus666> that last argument I can understand. but for me that has never been a problem
[09:31:54] <Verge> For example you have to specify all allowed headers in preflight
[09:32:02] <Verge> If they are missing, the browser will not pass them to the JS frontend app
[09:32:18] <Verge> But this is again something that is probably static
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[09:33:49] <Pyrrhus666> if it's static, do it in the server. less load.
[09:34:23] <Verge> It is also required / possible to define what HTTP methods are allowed for the targeted endpoint, but I don't really know what the practical appliances for this would be
[09:35:11] <Pyrrhus666> that is something I would do with the end-point definition, which is most likely not the server.
[09:35:17] <Verge> With my apps the endpoints are anyway configured to allow only specific methods and in preflight I just tell POST/GET/DELETE is accepted regardless of what actually is
[09:35:22] <Verge> This is where I get lazy
[09:36:19] <Verge> Because my app is not going to send a DELETE request to an endpoint that I know will not handle it
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[09:38:19] <Verge> But basically handling preflight takes about ten lines of code so it is not too bad
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[09:39:27] <Verge> Check a couple conditions on the request, send half a dozen headers lines with the response
[09:41:05] <Pyrrhus666> it's probably easy, sure. I just prefer to have the server do all static stuff to have my backend not be hit by too many requests at all.
[09:41:42] <Verge> Preflights are cacheable and of course I might configure caching for them in the server for production
[09:43:11] <Verge> But it is easy to configure the server to handle them later if it is good for performance
[09:43:34] <Verge> And the backend implementation is not really a wasted effort due to its tiny amount of code
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[09:45:39] <Rumpo> I have a component, with three different ng-content's inside, using a select. Is there a way to condition the parent div of a particular ng-content based on content actually being there. http://bit.ly/2tYMZzW <- So if an element with the class of .icons isn't pass, the div.icons in my component wont be rendered.
[09:47:17] <Verge> You can capture the projected element with @ContentChild('foo', { read: ElementRef }) contentRef
[09:47:28] <Verge> In the component code
[09:47:44] <Verge> Then you can check what classes that element has and e.g. set useWrapperElement = true
[09:48:27] <Verge> But this requires that you tag the projected elements with an identifier for the ContentChild to pick them
[09:48:32] <Verge> <div #foo></div>
[09:49:20] <Rumpo> Yep, I can see that, I'll give it a try, thank you.
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[09:50:14] <Verge> That @ContentChild variable will be populated for ngAfterViewInit() hook
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[10:08:13] <ray02> hello hello
[10:08:16] <ray02> morning folks
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[10:09:51] <mursu> HELLO
[10:09:53] <mursu> WHAT'S UP
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[10:11:18] <ray02> here all ok :D
[10:11:26] <ray02> there?
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[10:17:33] <storkme> GREETINGS
[10:18:26] <anddam> howdy
[10:18:32] <anddam> long time no seen
[10:19:38] <ray02> hey hey anddam
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[10:19:53] <icebox> ray02: hey
[10:20:05] <icebox> anddam: hey
[10:20:08] <anddam> icebox: that was my "hey"!
[10:20:10] <anddam> ;-)
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[10:21:04] <anddam> I'm (un)shamefully watching the udemy's angular 8 course, in order to settle the basics
[10:21:18] <anddam> and having a better grasp on a proper app architecture
[10:21:32] <anddam> (or a better one than mine anyway)
[10:22:06] <Verge> The architecture is a bit tricky one to get right for me too
[10:22:18] <Verge> For the core functionality
[10:22:48] <ray02> anddam: it's a really good idea
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[10:25:01] <anddam> Verge: I really want to embrace proper design and possibly redux
[10:25:22] <anddam> I grasp the basics but the implementation seems a bit overwhelming
[10:25:49] <Verge> What kind of an issue in specific?
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[10:26:16] <anddam> you have to understand the state and its possible transition beforehand
[10:26:19] <Verge> For me it's just about which folder to put my files into and what to put into the index.ts for imports
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[10:26:33] <Verge> okay
[10:26:38] <Verge> More advanced stuff
[10:26:40] <anddam> now I think we are talking different subjects
[10:26:47] <Verge> maeby
[10:27:25] <storkme> i would recommend something more idiomatic like ngrx over reduz
[10:27:25] <Verge> I haven't so much studied about the piping
[10:27:28] <storkme> redux*
[10:27:39] <Verge> But I am satisfied with my current code for that part
[10:27:57] <Verge> And I don't use state management as of yet
[10:28:09] <Verge> If I did, that would be minimal
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[10:31:18] <Rumpo> for state management I've just switched from NGRX to Akita, much more enjoyable development experience. Also there doesn't seem to be 100's of different standards / best practices for Akita like NGRX.
[10:31:43] <anddam> storkme: yes, ofc I was aiming at ngrx
[10:32:20] <anddam> Rumpo: I'd have a look, but I fear I'll end up throwing other stuff on the pile
[10:33:21] <Rumpo> Ngrx is more mature a framework though, could be a benefit.
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[10:36:39] <Rumpo> And going back to architecture, I've used a few different languages and frameworks, and angular feels like it really punishes you if you don't get things "right" in the beginning, you end up going down rabbit holes very quickly.
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[10:55:30] <cadabrax> at which point is it safe to count the elements with querySelectorAll? my problem is that I have a form where a user can press a button to add more fields. I want this form to auto-populate based on the query string as well. and for that, I need to count how many of these fields are currently on the page vs how many are in the query string so I can add the right number of fields. OnInit is too early
[10:55:36] <cadabrax> and it counts 0 fields. I tried AfterViewInit but I'm getting errors that a value has changed after it was checked. How do I do this?
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[10:57:49] <FabioP> cant you keep track of them without scouting the dom for it, when user press a button increment local state
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[11:19:17] <cadabrax> bah I think what I need is to take a break
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[11:46:53] <FabioP> i take a break at work the real job is when i go back home :(
[12:01:50] <pupskuchen> working from home today
[12:01:57] <pupskuchen> so relaxed :D
[12:02:14] <pupskuchen> and again, more productive than at work
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[12:18:25] <Rumpo> Another reason I'm unhappy where I am, they don't let you work from home, the manager working from home sent me an email to explain that
[12:18:50] <jlebrech> say you didn't get the email
[12:19:22] <Rumpo> I'm so much more productive when working from home. Look Sandra from HR, I don't give two shits about your baby, leave me alone to work.
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[12:19:48] <ilhami> hello guys.
[12:19:57] <Rumpo> Hi ilhami
[12:19:58] <jlebrech> WFH guilts you into focus, at the office you can slack till someone gives you shit
[12:20:22] <Rumpo> jlebrech, exactly that!
[12:20:50] <ilhami> I have a question which isn't really related to Angular. I need to install an MSSQL Server and I was looking at Azure. I need some GUI with it too.. Should I just create a Windows VM?
[12:22:40] <Rumpo> Spin up MYSQL from a docker image, quick and easy. No mess either.
[12:22:59] <ilhami> Need to use MSSQL, not MySQL
[12:23:13] <Rumpo> Didn't read it properly
[12:23:27] <Rumpo> Spin up MSSQL* from a docker image, quick and easy. No mess either
[12:23:34] <ilhami> has to be on a centralized server
[12:24:06] <Rumpo> Azure would be the easiest, but it can be costly.
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[12:24:17] <Rumpo> Depending on what you're doing.
[12:24:36] <ilhami> has to be on Windows since I have to install another Windows only application on that same server
[12:24:49] <ilhami> I already created a VM
[12:24:56] <ilhami> You get 30 days free trial on Azure
[12:25:56] <Rumpo> Windows Server or Windows 10?
[12:26:09] <ilhami> Windows Server
[12:26:20] <FabioP> so much better working at office less distractions either and when you go home you can unplug your brain, if you work at home you just stop working but you still think about it
[12:26:51] <ilhami> wait.. applications you can install on Win 10 you can also install on Win Server, right?
[12:27:34] <Rumpo> Yeah, but IIRC MSSQL will try to utilise all memory on server. That was a fair few years ago though.
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[12:29:17] <stennowork> morning
[12:29:23] <ilhami> evening
[12:30:05] <Rumpo> FabioP, its personal preference, if I work at the office I tend to keep thinking about it when I leave, "What am I going to do tomorrow" etc, but if I work from home I just switch off. It's weird.
[12:30:14] <Rumpo> Morning stennowork
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[12:30:48] <ilhami> Rumpo, just drink some alcohol the evening before and you will forget everything lol
[12:30:58] <stennowork> o/
[12:32:06] <Rumpo> ilhami, I could try that, I tend to fry my brain just playing some games in the evening at the moment, need to get back on the home projects really.....need to be a millionaire
[12:33:02] <ilhami> Rumpo, haha yeah the home projects. Had tons of those which all ended in failure :P
[12:41:54] <Rumpo> I get bored really easy
[12:43:40] <storkme> that's why i struggle to get into games these days
[12:43:56] <ilhami> same Rumpo
[12:44:52] <Rumpo> storkme, once I get into a game I'm golden but it can take some time.
[12:46:04] <storkme> yeah, same here
[12:50:17] <Rumpo> Although I've been blasting through Doom(2016) in preparation for Eternal
[12:51:49] <storkme> when is eternal released?
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[12:55:22] <Rumpo> March 20th I think
[12:56:09] <storkme> nice
[12:56:30] <Rumpo> Even if just for the soundtrack :D
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[13:30:24] <cadabrax> I should have bought the witcher 3 before the show came out... used copies were like 10.-, now they all want 20 or 30
[13:30:40] <storkme> ha
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[13:37:31] <cadabrax> I'm getting all tangled in my search form... I want a search form that I can restore from a query string, and that I can add or remove fields from with a button. I'm using a template driven form at the moment, but I'm wondering if I shouldn't be using a reactive form instead. Would it make my life easier?
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[15:18:21] <Eugene_> Good day CHAT
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[15:18:51] <Eugene_> Is anyone here using Nx solution by any chance?
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[15:20:32] <ilhami> hi :)
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[15:22:57] <Rumpo> Hey Eugene_
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[15:24:58] <Eugene_> Hello Hello
[15:30:24] <haiiokarin> Eugene_: I do :)
[15:31:30] <Eugene_> Have you investigated by any chance how hard/easy is update from Angular 8 to 9 when project is created with Nx.
[15:31:32] <Eugene_> ?
[15:31:58] <haiiokarin> I just did that using Angular CLI
[15:33:07] <haiiokarin> Had no issues so far, only some other dependencies caused problems but they fixed issues in the meantime
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[15:39:39] <haiiokarin> Eugene_: How do you like Nx though?
[15:40:09] <cadabrax> put it another way: is there ever a good reason to *not* use reactive forms?
[15:40:26] <Eugene_> I am sadly not utilizing it full potential. Like e.g. affected portion
[15:40:39] <cadabrax> the more I'm reading about them, the less I can see when you'd choose a template driven form over a reactive form.
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[15:40:55] <Eugene_> But all in all, I like the structure and how easy it is to make project/library, etc.
[15:41:22] <haiiokarin> Eugene_: Yeah neither do I. I feel like i'm not using its ultimate power but its easy to use really
[15:41:52] <haiiokarin> However we are only using Angular now. I feel like if we add React then we would see its power more
[15:41:54] <Eugene_> There are some issues though, like e.g. I can't normally run jest tests from IDEA
[15:42:52] <haiiokarin> There was this one small also issue that i saw when i started to work with Nx - https://github.com/nrwl/nx/issues/2001
[15:42:54] <Eugene_> ^ maybe. Sadly not too big on free time and at work project specification doesn't require it for now at least.
[15:43:01] <haiiokarin> it got fixed :)
[15:43:41] <haiiokarin> i totally forgot that i opened that :D
[15:44:12] <Eugene_> By rename I assume you mean deep rename, right? Prefix, config files, directories, prefix of already created components, etc.
[15:44:44] <haiiokarin> Yeah basically everything i did manually
[15:45:16] <Eugene_> Mhm
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[15:57:12] <Rumpo> cadabrax, I'll either use plain inputs or reactive forms, as you said the use case for template driven form is so little.
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[16:39:11] <Eugene_> reactive forms wtf ^
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[16:44:00] <Verge> I'm not so keen on programming the form structure
[16:45:18] <storkme> reactive forms are the best
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[16:46:03] <Verge> why
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[17:17:50] <storkme> because they're simpler to use and to understand
[17:18:07] <stennowork> isnt that an angular thing
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[17:18:10] <stennowork> err
[17:18:22] <stennowork> yes we are in #angularjs and not in #reactjs
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[17:35:00] <storkme> heh
[17:35:28] <Rumpo> :P
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[17:45:06] <akkonrad> how should I read data from the ngrx store - service that returns store entry with selector function right?
[17:45:26] <Rumpo> yes use a selector
[17:48:57] <Rumpo> I tend to pass my store in as a service and select on it, there doesn't seem to be many benefits to creating another service to have as another abstraction layer.....unless you're thinking about swapping out the store with another tech.
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[18:01:28] <Rumpo> Another day another dollar, have a good one guys
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[19:24:03] <sc0tt2> If I want to give someone my Angular code to build on their machine, they have node installed but typing "ng build" isn't going to work. How can I do that?
[19:25:19] <sc0tt2> "npm install", "npm ng build" ?
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[20:01:57] <anddam> sc0tt2: define '"ng build" isn't going to work'
[20:02:50] <anddam> but likely you want to install the proper angular version shipping a package.json of your own, so "npm install" "npx ng <your_verbs>"
[20:04:13] <Siecje> What does npx do?
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[21:04:19] <sc0tt2> anddam: I mean they type "ng serve" and they get something like "ng: unrecognised command"
[21:04:23] <sc0tt2> build I mean
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[21:05:00] <sc0tt2> I just sent them the built product, no idea if they have the right version of node.
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[21:05:28] <titon-> hi, I just upgraded to angular 9 and so far so good. Except now when i load the site, the debugger in chrome starts and it complains about TypeError: Cannot redefine property: connectedCallback at zone-evergreen.js:2150. Anyone know what that might be about?
[21:05:44] <anddam> sc0tt2: I would not rely on that, you need to have a proper package.json
[21:05:52] <anddam> Siecje: executes command in the local node install
[21:05:58] <anddam> node_modules/.bin
[21:06:44] <sc0tt2> anddam: yeah I have that. I did a dry run on one of my other machines and I got an error that I didn't have the right version of node installed. This was the latest LTS Ubuntu
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[21:13:05] <anddam> what "dry run"?
[21:14:36] <sc0tt2> Get the source code from Github and build it
[21:15:50] <sc0tt2> I made something in Angular and I want to show it to someone by providing either the source code for them to build it themselves or I just send them the dist folder so they can stick it on a web server.
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[22:00:16] <pupskuchen> sc0tt2: it should work if a) you provide the working source and they do npm install with a working node version b) you provide the dist and they can run a web server
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[22:33:59] <sc0tt2> pupskuchen: I don't think "npm install" is enough though is it, I got that to work but I couldn't get "ng build" to work. I've gone for the (b) option because I have no idea if they're familiar with Node and I know you only have to copy that into a webserver.
[22:35:31] <sc0tt2> I've been asked to make a demo application in PHP but I spent most the time making a UI in Angular haha
[22:35:45] <pupskuchen> well
[22:36:11] <pupskuchen> usually you have scripts setup in your package.json that serve as "wrappers" around the angular CLI
[22:36:28] <pupskuchen> for example "npm run build" would run "ng build"
[22:36:52] <pupskuchen> because in order to be able to run "ng build", the angular CLI would have to be globally installed on the machine
[22:37:42] <sc0tt2> ok, I didn't try "npm run build" but i guess it would have the same problem
[22:37:58] <sc0tt2> that's probably what I would need
[22:38:38] <pupskuchen> does it list @angular/cli in your package.json?
[22:39:45] <sc0tt2> under devDependencies yes
[22:41:29] <pupskuchen> is there a "scripts" entry for ng? (as in line 18 here https://stackblitz.com/edit/angular-j95anu?file=package.json)
[22:41:38] <pupskuchen> if not, add it
[22:42:15] <sc0tt2> ye
[22:42:59] <pupskuchen> then anyone who successfully ran "npm install" will be able to use "npm run ng <command>"
[22:44:07] <pupskuchen> just prefix the angular command with "npm run" and if you need command line options, append them after an additional "--", e. g. "npm run ng build -- --prod"
[22:45:20] <pupskuchen> if that doesn't work I'm out of ideas, I don't have a node setup available atm
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[22:46:26] <pupskuchen> shipping the dist files is the cleanest solution anyway :P
[22:48:49] <sc0tt2> On my other machine I had npm installed but not node. When I installed it, I got an error that it's too old a version to work with Angular even though "npm install" worked ok.
[22:50:28] <pupskuchen> is upgrading an option?
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[22:52:37] <sc0tt2> Well, I'm just giving my code to them to run and assess. If they need to install other software they might just not bother. Anyway, I've sent the dist directory to them now.
[22:53:12] <pupskuchen> good choice :D
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