January 9, 2019 
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https://medium.com/@PepsRyuu/why-i-no-longer-use-d3-js-b8288f306c9a[08:45:33] *** seventh__ <seventh__!~seventh__@unaffiliated/seventh--/x-9387472> has quit IRC (Quit: Yipeeeee)[08:47:00] *** {DV8} <{DV8}!~Deviate@135-23-85-110.cpe.pppoe.ca> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[08:52:22] <Tazmain> Morning icebox[08:52:30] <icebox> Tazmain: hey[08:53:36] <Tazmain> icebox, what if you are doing a node based graph ?[08:54:00] <Tazmain> Or showing a mesh, like noe4j's browser shows[08:54:05] <Tazmain> relating to D3[08:54:15] *** jlebrech <jlebrech!~jlebrech@89.165.136.2> has joined #angularjs[08:54:36] <icebox> ok... and the question is "how to do it"?[08:54:56] <Tazmain> no, I have done it, I am asking, is there a better thing than D3 in that use casE?[08:54:58] *** AndrewIsh <AndrewIsh!~andrew@mrboom.plus.com> has joined #angularjs[08:55:10] <icebox> well... d3 is a good foundation[08:55:37] <icebox> the alternate solution is a chart lib based on canvas... maybe chart.js[08:55:40] <Tazmain> It's force worked well, to shows that graph db[08:56:00] <Tazmain> like basically showing planets, and if you drag one to the other it pushes things out the way[08:56:29] <Tazmain> does chart.js mimic gravity?[08:57:49] <icebox> that is another thing...[08:58:13] <icebox> there are physics engine libs[08:58:52] *** jlebrech <jlebrech!~jlebrech@89.165.136.2> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[08:59:19] <Tazmain> so you would have to use multiple libraries then ?[08:59:30] <icebox> see matter.js[08:59:32] <Tazmain> to mimic force and gravity , that D3 provided[09:00:12] <icebox> https://github.com/liabru/matter-js[09:00:34] *** max_at <max_at!~max_at@217.111.93.34> has joined #angularjs[09:00:36] *** max_at <max_at!~max_at@217.111.93.34> has quit IRC (Changing host)[09:00:36] *** max_at <max_at!~max_at@unaffiliated/max-at/x-2708233> has joined #angularjs[09:01:09] <icebox> brm.io/matter-js/demo[09:02:35] <Tazmain> okay not bad[09:09:58] *** tarnus_ <tarnus_!~tarnus@2600:1702:2611:5a50:75f8:1224:576e:4892> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[09:13:27] *** UncleCid__ <UncleCid__!~pwnd@ool-44c4e154.dyn.optonline.net> has joined #angularjs[09:16:22] *** pwnd_nsfw` <pwnd_nsfw`!~pwnd@ool-44c4e154.dyn.optonline.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[09:26:27] *** fairuz <fairuz!~textual@unaffiliated/fairuz> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[09:32:33] *** s2013 <s2013!~textual@103.23.41.34> has joined #angularjs[09:33:00] *** Pyrrhus666 <Pyrrhus666!~Pyrrhus66@157.97.112.115> has joined #angularjs[09:33:25] <Pyrrhus666> morning #angularjs[09:38:00] <SuperTyp> lets learn some react[09:39:24] <icebox> Pyrrhus666, SuperTypç hey[09:39:42] <Pyrrhus666> SuperTyp, lets not and say we did :P[09:39:58] <SuperTyp> hrhr[09:40:08] <SuperTyp> btw: #first[09:42:07] <Tazmain> o/ Pyrrhus666[09:46:37] *** Elarcis <Elarcis!~root@113.123.202.35.bc.googleusercontent.com> has joined #angularjs[09:46:51] <Elarcis> Oi crew[09:47:14] <Pyrrhus666> morning Elarcis[09:47:20] <Elarcis> stennowork: I did some homework yesterday, for your example of 13.13 I manually came up with 0 10000010 10100100001010001111011 :P[09:47:44] <Elarcis> stennowork: apparently online converters are telling me I finally understood how this whole shebang works[09:50:36] <Elarcis> Hello Pyrrhus666[09:50:37] *** Aquazi <Aquazi!uid312403@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jqrrmfwapcpzcnto> has joined #angularjs[09:50:45] <icebox> Elarcis: hey[09:50:55] <Elarcis> Hello icebox[09:55:34] *** SuperTyp <SuperTyp!~SuperTyp@178.197.234.65> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[09:59:08] *** SuperTyp <SuperTyp!~SuperTyp@178.197.234.65> has joined #angularjs[10:02:03] <stennowork> Elarcis, congrats![10:02:13] <stennowork> understanding stuff is cool[10:08:18] *** jlebrech <jlebrech!~jlebrech@89.165.136.2> has joined #angularjs[10:09:33] *** s2013 <s2013!~textual@103.23.41.34> has quit IRC (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[10:19:16] <SargoDarya> Morning folks[10:20:23] <Pyrrhus666> morning SargoDarya[10:20:46] *** tarnus <tarnus!~tarnus@2600:1702:2611:5a50:d5ba:f9c7:7837:d30c> has joined #angularjs[10:23:03] *** Noti <Noti!~steffan@ip4da40774.direct-adsl.nl> has joined #angularjs[10:25:30] <stennowork> yes, lets talk about react, components and jsx[10:25:32] *** tarnus <tarnus!~tarnus@2600:1702:2611:5a50:d5ba:f9c7:7837:d30c> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[10:26:33] <stennowork> and HOCs and pure components[10:26:38] <stennowork> because those are nifty[10:27:49] <stennowork> do you even have/need side-loading state management like redux/mobx in angular?[10:28:52] <stennowork> https://github.com/mobxjs/mobx#introduction[10:40:52] <Pyrrhus666> sorry, I always tend to completely lose interest when jsx is mentioned :P[10:41:44] <SargoDarya> ^[10:46:13] *** mgol <mgol!~m_gol@78-11-55-106.static.ip.netia.com.pl> has joined #angularjs[10:48:10] *** ray02 <ray02!~ray@78.192.34.122> has joined #angularjs[10:49:10] *** Noti <Noti!~steffan@ip4da40774.direct-adsl.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[10:50:32] <Elarcis> stennowork: understanding stuff is very gratifying[10:50:45] <Elarcis> stennowork: I also was sent this very cool reading https://ciechanow.ski/exposing-floating-point/[10:51:01] <Elarcis> stennowork: (basically what we discussed earlier, but way better explained than Wikipedia)[10:51:35] <icebox> SargoDarya: hey[10:51:39] <icebox> stennowork: hey[10:51:46] <SargoDarya> Morning icebox[10:53:01] <Elarcis> stennowork: I've heard redux is used in some Angular projects, but I'd be surprised if anyone in my team ever heard of Redux[10:53:21] *** Noti <Noti!~steffan@77.164.7.116> has joined #angularjs[10:53:32] <Elarcis> (I never did JSX, but it looks needlessly complicated to me)[10:53:53] <ray02> hello hello morning folks[10:54:29] <Pyrrhus666> morning ray02[10:54:56] <ray02> how is going the day ? some trace of happiness?[10:56:05] <Pyrrhus666> ray02, better than yesterday, at least ;) still enjoying your time off ?[10:56:06] <Elarcis> ray02: some traces of cesium 137 as well[10:58:24] <Pyrrhus666> no polonium 210 ?[10:58:34] <Elarcis> too rare[10:58:41] <Elarcis> cesium 137 is omnipresent[10:58:59] <Pyrrhus666> I know, it was a litvinenko ref :P[10:59:29] *** Noti <Noti!~steffan@77.164.7.116> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[10:59:51] <ray02> eheh[11:00:22] <ray02> Pyrrhus666 yes i'm trying to have dream routine[11:01:49] <ray02> like have joggining in the morning ,than study new stuff, than eat than practic in code[11:02:05] *** Noti <Noti!~steffan@ip4da40774.direct-adsl.nl> has joined #angularjs[11:02:38] <Elarcis> ray02: you can just say "jogging"[11:02:48] <Pyrrhus666> nice :) (it´s ´then´ though, since it´s about time. ´than´ is for comparison)[11:02:53] <Elarcis> ray02: no need to do jogginging[11:02:55] <Elarcis> :P[11:03:52] <ray02> ahah right, my thingers are not yet fast as my mind when i write donw the things on this new keyboard[11:04:20] <Pyrrhus666> ´thingers´... sounds oddly appropriate :)[11:04:49] <Pyrrhus666> so the laptop is cool ?[11:04:52] <Elarcis> ray02: new keyboard?[11:06:01] <ray02> Elarcis yes since some week i have a new laptop, but basically this is the first week i really use it[11:06:30] <Elarcis> ray02: ah nice, good for you[11:06:39] <ray02> Pyrrhus666 so far so good a part some seutp with linux[11:06:53] <ray02> but that is part of the game[11:07:11] <Elarcis> ray02: don't hesitate to ask for a proper keyboard though, laptop kb are very nasty for your carpal tunnel[11:07:19] <Pyrrhus666> ray02, I thought you bought one with linux pre-installed ?[11:07:36] <ray02> Pyrrhus666 yes but not with the distro i want :p[11:07:49] <ray02> Elarcis this is my personal laptop[11:07:56] <Pyrrhus666> ray02, haha, ok, so it´s your own fault then :P[11:08:02] <ray02> i will start the new job in march[11:08:15] <ray02> Pyrrhus666 yes :p[11:08:30] <ray02> no one to complain a part my selfe :p[11:08:37] <SuperTyp> what is CommonJS for?[11:09:23] <Pyrrhus666> isn´t it just a module format ?[11:12:53] <Elarcis> SuperTyp: it's a module syntax that transpiled JS can use[11:13:08] <Elarcis> SuperTyp: so that pre-ES6 JS can still offer module-like features[11:13:10] <ray02> Pyrrhus666 plan of the next week https://frontendmasters.com/courses/angular-reactive/[11:14:25] <Pyrrhus666> ray02, nice subject... I could probably not get myself to watch 4 hours of video though.[11:15:04] <SuperTyp> thx Elarcis[11:16:00] <ray02> Pyrrhus666 i notice that is the person that is making the tutorial is inside the video, not only the voice, it help me to keep the attention[11:16:07] <ray02> *if the person[11:16:35] <ray02> what is strange is that is not using angular cli[11:16:37] <Elarcis> SuperTyp: usually you shouldn't have to use this syntax yourself, you'd rather write ES modules and have a tool convert to it[11:16:39] <Pyrrhus666> ray02, if it works for you, it´s fine :)[11:17:03] <ray02> is one the the best part of angualar[11:17:04] <Pyrrhus666> ray02, that sounds bad, imho... but idk[11:17:17] <Elarcis> SuperTyp: because ES modules are the standard, and CommonJS is just a convenience for older runtimes[11:20:07] <ray02> Pyrrhus666 boh may be is just becuase the core is to learn rxjs[11:20:23] <ray02> i will tell you how will be :p[11:20:51] <Pyrrhus666> ray02, could be. but since ng-cli is so easy it still sounds odd ;)[11:21:03] <stennowork> hi icebox[11:23:23] <ray02> Pyrrhus666 still agree with you, boh[11:23:49] *** Noti <Noti!~steffan@ip4da40774.direct-adsl.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[11:23:53] <ray02> maybe he will explain why is not using it, and if not i will ask to him[11:26:11] *** PCatinean <PCatinean!~PCatinean@2.233.95.221> has joined #angularjs[11:28:50] *** jlebrech <jlebrech!~jlebrech@89.165.136.2> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[11:35:33] *** Noti <Noti!~steffan@ip4da40774.direct-adsl.nl> has joined #angularjs[11:38:12] * SargoDarya facepalms[11:38:27] <SargoDarya> Took me 4 full test tries to see why excluding something from code coverage doesn't work[11:38:47] <SargoDarya> Forgot that for a glob pattern you can't just specify a directory but have to specify an actual glob pattern...[11:39:28] <trampi> good day everyone[11:40:04] <Pyrrhus666> morning trampi[11:40:53] *** jlebrech <jlebrech!~jlebrech@89.165.136.2> has joined #angularjs[11:42:14] *** ray02 <ray02!~ray@78.192.34.122> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[11:49:06] <icebox> trampi: hey[11:54:06] *** SuperTyp <SuperTyp!~SuperTyp@178.197.234.65> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[11:59:39] <Elarcis> Hello trampi[12:01:06] *** Noti <Noti!~steffan@ip4da40774.direct-adsl.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[12:13:44] *** SuperTyp <SuperTyp!~SuperTyp@178.197.234.65> has joined #angularjs[12:15:47] <stennowork> the thing about jsx is that you can use actual javascript to build and render your components. so i can do in my List component: const listItems = data.map(datapoint => <ListItem key={ datapoint.id } model={ datapoint }>); and then in my render function: return (<ul>{ listItems }</ul>);[12:16:16] *** bc_ <bc_!~user@unaffiliated/bc> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[12:16:21] *** bc__ <bc__!~user@198.13.88.224> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[12:16:52] <stennowork> and when the state of a listItem changes, only that listItem gets re-rendered/manipulated[12:17:42] <stennowork> and i can still delegate certain controls to the List component[12:17:57] <Pyrrhus666> stennowork, I know. but to me it feels ass-backwards to generate html that way.[12:18:16] <stennowork> so the List component could pass a bound callback function to listItems[12:19:04] *** SuperTyp <SuperTyp!~SuperTyp@178.197.234.65> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[12:19:13] <stennowork> well in angular i would have like an ngFor statement(?) for that, right[12:19:37] <stennowork> how is re-rendering handled if one of the list items would change?[12:19:56] <stennowork> would it cause the whole list ot get re-rendered?[12:20:01] <Pyrrhus666> dunno, it just works (tm)[12:21:43] *** tarnus <tarnus!~tarnus@2600:1702:2611:5a50:6da6:cf7a:bca0:7389> has joined #angularjs[12:21:54] <stennowork> how do you pass ancestors state to nested components/directives? I.e. if i had a scope state in my grandparent controller, which renders directives/components, which in turn also render directives/components, how would the grandchild know about state change?[12:22:18] <stennowork> those are things that are addressed both in react and jsx[12:22:32] <stennowork> (btw of course you can still use react without jsx but why would you)[12:23:13] <Pyrrhus666> bound inputs[12:24:24] <stennowork> but aren't you required to pass the grandparent's scope to the children which in turn passes it to it's children?[12:25:31] <stennowork> in jsx, if i have <Foo x={ 23 }>; this is basically just sugar for React.createElement("Foo", { x: 23 });[12:25:45] <stennowork> it's not actual markup[12:26:11] <Pyrrhus666> if you have it setup so that you skip a generation with your bound inputs (so grandchild depends on grandparent, but parent doesnt) you´re doing it wrong or should probably use redux[12:26:16] *** tarnus <tarnus!~tarnus@2600:1702:2611:5a50:6da6:cf7a:bca0:7389> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[12:26:33] <stennowork> so redux/mobx is used in angular too?[12:27:00] <stennowork> ok[12:27:10] <Pyrrhus666> yup. ngrx is angular´s redux[12:28:14] <stennowork> gotcha[12:29:07] <Pyrrhus666> I must admit I´ve never gotten to the point I actually needed state management redux-style. so far, I´ve gotten away with simply having state in urls[12:29:45] <stennowork> i think with 'state' i here mean what angular calls scope[12:29:58] <stennowork> i _think_ those are roughly equivalent[12:30:17] <Pyrrhus666> scope is an angularjs thing though ;)[12:30:31] <stennowork> oh![12:30:31] <stennowork> duh[12:30:47] <stennowork> it's not in angular?[12:30:59] <stennowork> how do you keep the state of a component?[12:31:37] <stennowork> maybe i am just trying to apply react-thinking to angular and angular addresses those issues in a different way[12:31:43] <Pyrrhus666> for me, without redux : in route parameters[12:32:21] <stennowork> but that would pollute the state for each child component, regardless of if they needed or not?[12:32:23] *** xekz <xekz!~kexmex@unaffiliated/kexmex> has joined #angularjs[12:32:26] <stennowork> 'state'[12:33:05] <stennowork> er anyway i have do some reading[12:33:09] <Pyrrhus666> no, the parameters are bound to the components via the route definitions. a child only sees ´its´ parameters (if that is what you mean)[12:34:12] <Pyrrhus666> I must admit I tend to find discussions about ´state´ confusing :)[12:39:20] *** max_at_ <max_at_!~max_at@217.111.93.34> has joined #angularjs[12:42:54] *** max_at <max_at!~max_at@unaffiliated/max-at/x-2708233> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[12:43:46] <stennowork> in react, state holds all values that are supposed to change during runtime. so for example, this could reflect the value of an input field, or data that gets fetched from the component itself[12:44:11] <stennowork> as opposed to properties, which gets passed from the parent component and are not supposed to get changed from the component itself[12:44:54] <stennowork> but the properties might get changed from the parent component, in the case where i pass the state to the child as property[12:45:05] <stennowork> ... i make a poor job explaining that :/[12:45:46] *** Elarcis <Elarcis!~root@113.123.202.35.bc.googleusercontent.com> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.4)[12:46:18] *** SuperTyp <SuperTyp!~SuperTyp@178.197.234.65> has joined #angularjs[12:46:37] <stennowork> in short: state holds all values that are changed by the component itself, properties are things passed from parents, which only get changed by the parent[12:46:54] <stennowork> so we have a top-down flow in react components[12:47:26] <Pyrrhus666> yes, data in - events out. that´s what angular has too (as opposed to angularjs)[12:47:45] <stennowork> a child cannot directly manipulate a parent's state, but a parent could pass a function down to the child, which the child could call, which would manipulate a parent state[12:48:13] <Pyrrhus666> that would be an output event in angular terms, I guess...[12:48:26] <stennowork> and this (hopefully) shows how important side-loading state management is in react[12:49:28] <Pyrrhus666> what do you mean by side-loading ? I can only think of android and side-loading apk´s when hearing that term ;)[12:51:56] <stennowork> side-loading is basically what redux does: i can 'inject' the providers/consumers into any component, 'bypassing' the top-down paradigm of react components (in a sensible, non-breaking way)[12:52:48] <stennowork> it works around the general problems you have with globals[12:55:15] <Pyrrhus666> ah ok, understood[12:55:32] <stennowork> as you said yourself before: i have a grandparent, which provides changes to a certain stateful value (let's say, a timeout counter), and i have a grandchild which needs to consume this value. top-down would force me to pass this from the grandparent to the parent to the child[12:56:06] <stennowork> polluting the state of the parent which doesn't actually need to handle it[12:56:59] <Pyrrhus666> for stuff like that (if simple), angularists often use singleton services injected in just the components that need it, regardless of hierarchy[12:57:41] <stennowork> so unlike globals, i don't pollute the state of each component, and unlike globals, i have a very well-defined interface thanks to store actions of what i could do with this (think of getters/setters)[12:57:49] <stennowork> singletons :/[12:58:09] <Pyrrhus666> what´s the problem with singleton services ?[13:00:21] <stennowork> https://dzone.com/articles/singleton-anti-pattern[13:07:28] <stennowork> injecting references to the same _instance_ to several places doesn't sound like agood idea[13:09:03] <SargoDarya> stennowork: Fine as long as it's immutable[13:09:31] <stennowork> how would a state-holding instance be immutable?[13:10:30] <stennowork> or rather: if it's immutable anyway, why would i need singleton?[13:11:03] <SargoDarya> stennowork: If you do it properly, your state should always be immutable but you use it to create a new state.[13:11:24] <stennowork> yes, that is how state management like redux works[13:11:25] <SargoDarya> Because otherwise you just change references and stuff will start to fall apart or not register that something has changed.[13:11:38] <SargoDarya> stennowork: Exactly.[13:12:52] *** tarnus <tarnus!~tarnus@2600:1702:2611:5a50:2c57:efb5:e590:7528> has joined #angularjs[13:12:54] <stennowork> but unlike singleton services, i don't actually expose the instance itself to the component[13:13:29] <SargoDarya> Sounds save then.[13:13:35] <stennowork> yes[13:13:42] <stennowork> i was arguing _against_ singleton services[13:13:54] <stennowork> thanks for confirming my concerns?[13:14:05] *** bc <bc!~user@198.13.88.224> has joined #angularjs[13:14:05] *** bc <bc!~user@198.13.88.224> has quit IRC (Changing host)[13:14:05] *** bc <bc!~user@unaffiliated/bc> has joined #angularjs[13:14:14] *** mosulica <mosulica!~textual@82.208.139.39> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[13:15:07] <SargoDarya> Well, it depends on how you're using singleton services.[13:15:28] *** xekz <xekz!~kexmex@unaffiliated/kexmex> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[13:15:31] <stennowork> lunchbreak, bbiab[13:17:08] *** tarnus <tarnus!~tarnus@2600:1702:2611:5a50:2c57:efb5:e590:7528> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[13:17:13] <SargoDarya> There's not much difference between a service you only instantiate once and pass that through all levels or use a singleton and DI that one. The only difference with a singleton is that you can NEVER generate more than one instance at the same time while in the other case it's the responsibility of your application not to create more than one service.[13:18:39] *** jlebrech <jlebrech!~jlebrech@89.165.136.2> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[13:18:40] <Pyrrhus666> which is exactly why I like singletons[13:18:58] *** bc_ <bc_!~user@unaffiliated/bc> has joined #angularjs[13:19:12] *** jlebrech <jlebrech!~jlebrech@89.165.136.2> has joined #angularjs[13:19:49] *** Elarcis <Elarcis!~root@113.123.202.35.bc.googleusercontent.com> has joined #angularjs[13:20:10] <Elarcis> stennowork: Angular Services negate the need for Redux for small to medium projects (relative to Angular's scale)[13:20:20] <Elarcis> stennowork: imho ^[13:20:29] <Pyrrhus666> Elarcis, agreed[13:21:19] <Elarcis> stennowork: since services already provide a singleton-like, easily-injectable infrastructure to centralise state and caches to, the use of Redux is marginalised/not well understood[13:22:54] <Elarcis> stennowork: I think it is way more valued in libs like VueJS, where it's very helpful to have a broadly-accessible centralised state to compensate for the lack of dependency injection[13:23:41] *** jlebrech <jlebrech!~jlebrech@89.165.136.2> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[13:25:47] *** bc_ <bc_!~user@unaffiliated/bc> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[13:25:48] *** bc <bc!~user@unaffiliated/bc> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[13:26:15] *** jlebrech <jlebrech!~jlebrech@89.165.136.2> has joined #angularjs[13:26:54] *** jimlei <jimlei!~quassel@189.137.34.95.customer.cdi.no> has joined #angularjs[13:28:42] *** bc <bc!~user@unaffiliated/bc> has joined #angularjs[13:29:25] *** bc_ <bc_!~user@unaffiliated/bc> has joined #angularjs[13:29:29] <SargoDarya> I quite like the whole ngrx stuff. Makes it pretty clear and easier debuggable with what's happening.[13:29:38] <SargoDarya> Sorry, Redux[13:32:35] <Pyrrhus666> that does sound like a plus, yes[13:36:53] <Elarcis> SargoDarya: agreed[13:37:27] <Elarcis> SargoDarya: I also like its integration with VueJS's change detection system[13:38:03] <SargoDarya> To be honest I find the VueJS implementation with VueX MUCH better than ngrx, feels like way less verbose.[13:38:26] *** lexileo <lexileo!~suckme@49.248.50.172> has joined #angularjs[13:38:48] *** Jervis_ <Jervis_!~suckme@49.248.60.62> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[13:39:08] <Elarcis> SargoDarya: that's what I meant[13:40:02] <Elarcis> SargoDarya: ever tried vuex-typex?[13:40:07] <SargoDarya> The fact alone that you can listen to an action being done is awesome. Still need to try out the entity system, so far it seems nice.[13:40:12] <SargoDarya> Nope, what is it?[13:40:50] <Elarcis> SargoDarya: it adds a bit of verbosity to get typed stores, even when called from components[13:41:06] <Elarcis> SargoDarya: haven't got a chance to use it for a real project yet[13:41:35] <Elarcis> SargoDarya: so every action and getter is type-checked[13:41:50] <SargoDarya> Elarcis: You can actually get that with TypeScript directly although it's a little bit tricky. Would have to check that out.[13:42:31] <SargoDarya> Elarcis: I'm currently evaluating this for a PoC: https://github.com/vuex-orm/vuex-orm[13:42:39] <Elarcis> SargoDarya: you do?[13:43:14] <SargoDarya> Yea, but it's a pita because you have to type everything yourself, pretty sure the TypeX would be a better solution there[13:44:49] <Elarcis> SargoDarya: https://gitlab.com/elarcis/shopping-cart/blob/master/ClientApp/store/cart/actions.ts[13:44:58] <Elarcis> SargoDarya: the overhead is noticeable though[13:45:41] <Elarcis> SargoDarya: but yeah, anything that's not type-annotated is correctly inferred by the TS engine[13:45:54] <SargoDarya> Elarcis: I'd probably extract those api calls into a separate API service though[13:46:53] <SargoDarya> And use constants for the action names but yea, seems to be some overhead.[13:47:38] <Elarcis> SargoDarya: this was a basic example[13:47:54] <Elarcis> SargoDarya: tbh I should have used constants, but it's even more overhead[13:47:58] <SargoDarya> Sorry :D[13:48:47] <Elarcis> SargoDarya: though if you look at a component, it's pretty straight forward https://gitlab.com/elarcis/shopping-cart/blob/master/ClientApp/components/cart/CartListItem.vue[13:49:24] <SargoDarya> Looks neat[13:50:14] <SargoDarya> Also I think for April fools we should make the channel topic saying that this is the "Official VueJS channel" and only talk about Vue[13:51:03] <Elarcis> haha[13:51:11] <Elarcis> definitely[13:51:25] <SargoDarya> Maybe we can cooperate with the VueJS channel and make them say it's the official angularjs channel xD[13:51:34] <trampi> :D that would be evil![13:51:57] <SargoDarya> Well, you gotta start of planning april fools early right?[13:52:30] <SargoDarya> For example, we're implementing the ability to trade with the vatican state for april fools.[13:52:35] <Pyrrhus666> #vuejs is dead though[13:53:11] <Elarcis> it is? :([13:53:18] <SargoDarya> They're mostly in discord actually[13:53:24] <SargoDarya> VueLand if I'm not mistaken[13:53:57] <Pyrrhus666> I connect by default, haven´t seen anything in januari yet.[13:54:42] <SargoDarya> Yea, Vue Land discord is pretty active[13:55:05] <SargoDarya> And pretty well organised actually[13:55:31] <SargoDarya> https://imgur.com/a/36MN1G2[13:58:45] *** darth_ma2ek <darth_ma2ek!~n3m0@fm.synthte.ch> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[13:59:41] *** Noti <Noti!~steffan@ip4da40774.direct-adsl.nl> has joined #angularjs[14:00:12] <stennowork> SargoDarya, while singleton services make more sense than non-singleton services, i was arguing that actual stores are better than singleton services as you don't need to handle instances at all[14:01:37] <SargoDarya> stennowork: Absolutely. If you pair that with smart/dumb components you get a nice architecture as well.[14:02:45] <stennowork> because with handling instances you will have problems with mutability/atomicity and also with granularity[14:03:01] <SargoDarya> ^ yeah, completely agree.[14:07:08] <stennowork> redux has its weaknesses too, but those are because of the implementation, not because of the concept imo[14:08:45] *** dslegends <dslegends!~dslegends@24-224-221-226.eastlink.ca> has joined #angularjs[14:10:18] <SargoDarya> Totally, sometimes I feel there is a lot of overhead with the ngrx implementation[14:10:33] <stennowork> yep! that's the main problem[14:10:38] <stennowork> overhead/boilerplate required[14:14:37] <stennowork> mobx seems to be the preferred implementation nowadays but i haven't looked at it yet (it took long enough to get familiar with redux :v)[14:19:53] <stennowork> apparently there's this? https://github.com/mobxjs/mobx-angular[14:20:28] *** ASUchander <ASUchander!~asuchande@cpe-2606-A000-111D-4066-657D-A927-1D03-7D6D.dyn6.twc.com> has joined #angularjs[14:22:14] <ASUchander> I have an angular (old, not angularjs) project that uses HTML5 paths (so I set the base_path, and my nginx server in production is setup so that you can access routes using /app_name/route_name type paths.) I'm trying to get webpack (the dev server) so I can do the same thing. I can't figure out how to make it serve up my content and kind of ignore the portions of the path after the app nam[14:22:15] <ASUchander> e. ideas?[14:23:56] <Pyrrhus666> that sounds like it´s actually angularjs (1.x) and not angular (>=2) ?[14:25:43] <ASUchander> Pyrrhus666: d'oh! you are right. It's not angular.io and is angularjs[14:26:21] <ASUchander> With the new stuff ng serve seems to do the right thing I think.[14:26:28] <Pyrrhus666> thought so :) unfortunately I have never used webpack with angularjs...[14:26:51] <Pyrrhus666> yes, ng serve works fine for newer angular[14:29:02] <icebox> ASUchander: what is the question?[14:29:20] <icebox> ASUchander: the things should not related[14:29:27] <icebox> *not be[14:30:35] <icebox> ASUchander: you continue to use the path with respect to base path even if the app is packaged in a webpack bundler[14:31:34] <Elarcis> stennowork: in terms of cleanliness, I agree that Redux is ahead, but all the team I know wouldn't be interested in cleanliness[14:31:49] <stennowork> Elarcis, what kind of argument is that :D[14:32:03] <ASUchander> icebox: my app is serve from https://localhost:8080/myapp , the path with route is https://localhost:8080/myapp/route_name . if I hit reload when the route is in the URL webpack returns a 404[14:32:08] <stennowork> that's more a critique against your team than against redux[14:32:17] <SargoDarya> ^[14:32:24] <ASUchander> icebox: the issue is really with webpack dev server.[14:33:38] <Elarcis> stennowork: it is :P[14:33:43] <stennowork> aah :D[14:33:48] <stennowork> thats unfortunate[14:35:00] <Elarcis> ASUchander: I'd say use the hash prefix in URLs when using webpack[14:35:22] <Elarcis> ASUchander: when you're in prod, use regular URL but configure your web server for proper redirection[14:37:28] <Elarcis> ASUchander: oh, wouldn't you know it, there's a weback setting to serve a page as a fallback for any 404 https://webpack.js.org/configuration/dev-server/#devserver-historyapifallback[14:37:38] <Elarcis> ASUchander: I take back what I said about hash prefix[14:37:38] *** kirua <kirua!~kirua@unaffiliated/kirua> has joined #angularjs[14:38:15] <ASUchander> Elarcis: I've been trying to get that to work actually, with little luck thus far; but I will try again.[14:38:35] <ASUchander> I thought perhaps there was a less obtuse way of doing it.[14:38:53] <Elarcis> ASUchander: less obtuse like what?[14:40:21] <ASUchander> Elarcis: like a basic config setting or some regex matching for paths (I'm doing that with historyApiFallback, but it seems to ignore my regex paths.)[14:41:24] <Elarcis> ASUchander: well apparently just using `true` would work[14:42:29] <ASUchander> true will serve up /index.html ; but my app is at a diff path unfortunately.[14:42:40] <ASUchander> I'll keep trying to play with it - thanks Elarcis![14:54:38] *** Tazmain <Tazmain!~Tazmain@unaffiliated/tazmain> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[14:58:55] <ASUchander> I got it working - I had an issue with my regex and webpack has no output indicating when rewrites are in use.[15:00:01] <icebox> ASUchander: the question is... is your app working without webpack? :)[15:00:19] <ASUchander> icebox: works great w/o webpack[15:00:34] <icebox> ASUchander: perfect[15:00:36] <ASUchander> served up via nginx (and minified/built with webpack)[15:00:49] <ASUchander> it's the dev server that was problematic for me, but I think that's solved now.[15:00:53] *** pwnd_nsfw <pwnd_nsfw!~pwnd@ool-44c4e154.dyn.optonline.net> has joined #angularjs[15:00:57] <icebox> ASUchander: I see[15:02:22] *** jlebrech <jlebrech!~jlebrech@89.165.136.2> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[15:02:24] *** UncleCid__ <UncleCid__!~pwnd@ool-44c4e154.dyn.optonline.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[15:03:11] *** anli <anli!~anli@gn62-116-231-34.business.gavlenet.com> has joined #angularjs[15:03:34] <anli> When I close chrome devtools, the corresponding browser closes sometimes, why?[15:04:52] *** pmercado <pmercado!~pmercado@179.9.136.189> has joined #angularjs[15:07:33] <Elarcis> ASUchander: nice that you figured it out![15:07:44] <Elarcis> anli: poltergeist[15:08:01] <anli> yeah! :)[15:09:03] *** jlebrech <jlebrech!~jlebrech@89.165.136.2> has joined #angularjs[15:09:31] <icebox> anli: that is the common behaviour in a few scenarios[15:09:47] <anli> is it expected behavior?[15:09:56] <icebox> anli: you missed to describe us your scenario[15:10:13] <icebox> anli: yes, it is in a few scenarios[15:10:35] <anli> I still live under the assumtion that closing the devtools should never close the browser[15:10:59] <icebox> anli: conext makes the diff[15:11:00] <anli> I cannot find out a possible scenario where it should be correct to close the browser[15:11:19] *** Tazmain <Tazmain!~Tazmain@unaffiliated/tazmain> has joined #angularjs[15:11:43] <icebox> do you mean... you open the browser, you open devtools... you close devtool and the browser is closed?[15:11:46] *** Limarson <Limarson!~marcel.cr@xdsl-78-35-93-212.nc.de> has joined #angularjs[15:11:56] <Pyrrhus666> a scenario where a window was opened from within the dev tools for example ? (ok, may be unlikely ;))[15:12:09] <anli> But I do not know how to do that :)[15:12:19] <Pyrrhus666> window.open() on the console :P[15:12:24] <anli> true true[15:12:32] <anli> Well, I did not open a popup with the console :)[15:13:03] <anli> The behaior seems to be a bug, maybe I should find out a systematic way of producing it[15:13:24] <icebox> anli: do you mean... you open the browser, you open devtools... you close devtool and the browser is closed?[15:13:40] <Pyrrhus666> just tested, that doesn´t even work, the window that opened from the console just stays open when closing devtool[15:13:43] <anli> icebox: yes[15:14:02] <icebox> anli: do you think it is a chrome bug?[15:14:09] <anli> icebox: The trivial case does not close the browser[15:14:12] <anli> yes[15:14:23] <icebox> anli: the trivial case?[15:14:35] <anli> Yes, of only opening the browser, then F12 then closing devtools[15:14:47] <anli> That will keep the browser window[15:14:53] <icebox> so we are talking about a specific context (scenario)[15:15:18] <icebox> anli: if you cannot reproduce it, it is not a bug :)[15:15:23] <anli> yes, but still, it should be a bug[15:15:40] <anli> If I cannot reproduce it, it does not mean it is not reproducable[15:15:42] <icebox> ahahah... good luck... crbug.com[15:16:11] <Pyrrhus666> just ditch chrome and your problem goes away :P[15:16:32] <icebox> anli: this is the opposite of your problem... https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=171447[15:16:51] <anli> I wish there was only one devtools window for all browser windows[15:16:58] <icebox> basically https://stackoverflow.com/questions/11136010/how-do-i-prevent-chrome-developer-tools-from-closing-when-the-current-browser-wi[15:17:59] <icebox> anli: one window? it is insane[15:18:16] *** sterns <sterns!~matt@199.244.108.87> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[15:18:19] <Elarcis> anli: standardised debugging protocol would be awesome, pretty much like LSP[15:18:24] <anli> The person reporting that problem would not have it if the devtools window was a window for all browsers instances[15:18:33] <Pyrrhus666> that would spam my console so hard with 50 tabs open :)[15:18:36] *** Noti <Noti!~steffan@ip4da40774.direct-adsl.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[15:18:40] <Elarcis> anli: sadly only Chrome implements remote debugging atm[15:19:06] <anli> and safari[15:19:12] <Elarcis> anli: and something tells me it's pretty much a proprietary thing[15:19:31] <anli> I guess they will stop having one devtools window per browser window[15:19:38] <Elarcis> I feel like Chrome is the new "embrace, extend, extinguish"[15:19:57] <Pyrrhus666> Elarcis, it has been for a while, imho[15:20:03] <anli> I cannot count how many times I have pressed F12 or wondered if the devtools window I am looking at is the right one[15:20:31] <Pyrrhus666> I just dock it to the window it belongs to. never an issue[15:21:05] <anli> But it is very handy to have it on another screen[15:21:14] <anli> It also affects the window size[15:21:28] <Pyrrhus666> I just have big monitors :P[15:21:44] <anli> It will still affect window size, it is also a matter of preference[15:22:21] <Pyrrhus666> I don´t care about the window size as long as it´s big enough, and it is :)[15:22:41] <anli> Then we care about different things[15:23:24] <Pyrrhus666> true. and your choice makes you put up with a separate window for the dev tools ;)[15:25:14] <anli> I have no idea what to say on that[15:26:40] <Pyrrhus666> nothing, since we´re out of options ;)[15:28:24] <anli> yeah :)[15:30:12] *** sterns <sterns!~matt@199.244.108.87> has joined #angularjs[15:37:13] <Elarcis> match options.len() { 0 => just_kiss(), _ => continue_arguing(), };[15:37:37] <Pyrrhus666> Elarcis, if only that worked more often ;)[15:43:05] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: I have an even better implementation that takes into account how little your arguments mattered in the discussion https://screenshotscdn.firefoxusercontent.com/images/fb1f8a0c-ed3b-4ce2-9274-585ccc97dfdb.png[15:43:43] <Elarcis> :P[15:44:33] <Pyrrhus666> how does that weigh the arguments then ?[15:44:56] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: my point exactly :P[15:45:04] <Pyrrhus666> doh ! :P[15:47:49] *** ceterizine <ceterizine!~ceterizin@evergage03.e.subnet.rcn.com> has joined #angularjs[15:48:44] *** ceterizine <ceterizine!~ceterizin@evergage03.e.subnet.rcn.com> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[15:48:57] *** ceterizine <ceterizine!~ceterizin@evergage03.e.subnet.rcn.com> has joined #angularjs[15:49:10] *** ceterizine <ceterizine!~ceterizin@evergage03.e.subnet.rcn.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[15:49:45] *** ceterizine <ceterizine!~ceterizin@evergage03.e.subnet.rcn.com> has joined #angularjs[15:53:13] *** Dor <Dor!29e739fa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.41.231.57.250> has joined #angularjs[15:53:53] <Elarcis> Wassup buddies? It's Dor-Time(tm)![15:54:18] <Dor> Hello, I have a component containing a list of data, and a filter to filter that data.. I want to keep the filter when I leave the page (go to other component) and get back to it[15:54:45] <Dor> whats the best way to do this ? should I add a BehaviourSubject property in a service for example ?[15:54:47] <Elarcis> Dor: do you want to keep it between sessions as well?[15:55:05] <Dor> Elarcis: lets say in the current session[15:55:05] <Elarcis> Dor: I don't think you need an observable for that.[15:55:13] <Dor> Elarcis: what do u suggest?[15:55:26] <Elarcis> Dor: just store the filter in a service, and fetch it synchronously when your component inits[15:55:51] <Dor> Elarcis: as a normal property?[15:55:56] <Elarcis> Dor: why not?[15:57:17] <Pyrrhus666> I have my filter state as a normal object like { name: ´foo´, date: null } denoting the filter prpos[15:57:20] <Pyrrhus666> *props[15:58:05] <Elarcis> Dor: always aim for simplicity[16:00:57] *** ray02 <ray02!~ray@78.192.34.122> has joined #angularjs[16:03:50] <stennowork> state and props :o[16:04:42] *** Tazmain <Tazmain!~Tazmain@unaffiliated/tazmain> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:08:05] <SuperTyp> bye all[16:08:44] <Pyrrhus666> bye SuperTyp[16:08:50] *** SuperTyp <SuperTyp!~SuperTyp@178.197.234.65> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[16:10:54] *** EREVAN <EREVAN!~aaa@87.241.143.42> has joined #angularjs[16:12:10] <Dor> Pyrrhus666, Elarcis ok thanks guys[16:12:17] <Dor> what if I want to keep it when refreshing the page?[16:12:23] <Dor> I have to use localStorage?[16:12:26] <Pyrrhus666> localStorage[16:12:41] <Pyrrhus666> or sessionStorage. or cookie.[16:12:58] <Pyrrhus666> or in the url, even.[16:13:05] <Elarcis> Dor: don't use cookies if you don't intend to communicate data to the server[16:13:38] <Dor> okey :D[16:13:39] *** metrixx is now known as Guest43147[16:13:40] *** metrixx_ <metrixx_!~metrixx@unaffiliated/metrixx> has joined #angularjs[16:13:40] <Elarcis> Dor: localStorage is permanent, sessionStorage is... well.[16:13:54] <SargoDarya> Clue's in the name[16:13:56] <Dor> just trying to find the out if there is a better way always :D[16:14:23] *** jimlei <jimlei!~quassel@189.137.34.95.customer.cdi.no> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[16:14:24] <Dor> Elarcis: yes! but we usually use localStorage[16:15:15] <Elarcis> Dor: it depends[16:15:17] <SargoDarya> Dor: What are you storing and what size do you need to store[16:15:25] <Elarcis> Dor: last project, I heavily used IndexedDB[16:15:40] <SargoDarya> ^[16:15:43] <Elarcis> SargoDarya: filter options for a dashboard[16:15:45] <SargoDarya> Would've been my other suggestion[16:16:22] <SargoDarya> Depending on if you think it might have different logins on the same machine I'd say sessionStorage.[16:16:39] *** Guest43147 <Guest43147!~metrixx@unaffiliated/metrixx> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[16:18:17] <Dor> SargoDarya: its a simple array of about 7 strings[16:18:47] <SargoDarya> Should it be temporary stored or permanently?[16:19:00] *** tarnus <tarnus!~tarnus@2600:1702:2611:5a50:3d99:7d8b:83a6:ed83> has joined #angularjs[16:19:21] *** Elarcis <Elarcis!~root@113.123.202.35.bc.googleusercontent.com> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.4)[16:22:23] *** Noti <Noti!~steffan@ip4da40774.direct-adsl.nl> has joined #angularjs[16:22:30] *** Zeioth <Zeioth!~Zeioth@89.131.21.84> has joined #angularjs[16:22:30] <Dor> SargoDarya: lets say permanetly[16:22:35] *** led_dark_1 <led_dark_1!~Thunderbi@hotspot10.rywasoft.net> has joined #angularjs[16:23:09] *** XsiSec <XsiSec!~xsisec@2a07-a880-4603-1062-a1c0-81ec-af94-d907.pool6.ovpn.com> has joined #angularjs[16:23:17] *** metrixx <metrixx!~metrixx@unaffiliated/metrixx> has joined #angularjs[16:23:25] <Dor> Another question: why I should not define a public property in a service ?[16:23:34] <SargoDarya> Then go for localStorage and prepend the user id for the setting.[16:23:43] <SargoDarya> Dor: Because that might be as well a constant.[16:23:43] *** Elarcis <Elarcis!~root@113.123.202.35.bc.googleusercontent.com> has joined #angularjs[16:24:17] *** cabaleirog <cabaleirog!~My@pc-9-52-156-186.cm.vtr.net> has joined #angularjs[16:24:23] <Dor> SargoDarya: but it works correctly as public[16:24:25] *** berz3rk <berz3rk!53f4abb8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.244.171.184> has joined #angularjs[16:24:31] <SargoDarya> Take my suggestion with a grain of salt though, you shouldn't use that if you think there might be a lot of users logging in and you're not clearing localStorage[16:24:32] <Dor> why I have to make it private and add a getter[16:24:32] <berz3rk> Ok guys, in angular typescript, is there something like counter incrementing in template..?[16:24:37] <berz3rk> I have this[16:24:39] <Dor> I'm not convinced about this :P[16:24:41] <berz3rk> <ng-container *ngFor="let benefit of benefits; let benefitIndex = index" >[16:24:41] <SargoDarya> Dor: You don't have to, but it's saver.[16:24:45] <SargoDarya> *safer[16:24:46] <berz3rk> this gives me the index[16:24:52] <berz3rk> after it I have a conditiion tho <ng-container *ngIf="benefitEventRelations[event.id].includes( benefit['id'] )">[16:24:59] <Dor> SargoDarya: in which case its saver?[16:24:59] <berz3rk> only if that condition is true increment the index[16:25:00] <berz3rk> not before[16:25:37] <Pyrrhus666> berz3rk, the index is a simple construct of the ngFor. you can´t manipulate it[16:25:47] *** metrixx_ <metrixx_!~metrixx@unaffiliated/metrixx> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[16:26:21] <SargoDarya> Dor: Consider your service is a car dealership service and the property owner is public. I can now take your service and write my name as owner onto it without any checks. I can in theory write values into it which are completely bullshit.[16:26:30] <berz3rk> Pyrrhus666: so what to do then :D[16:26:37] *** Noti <Noti!~steffan@ip4da40774.direct-adsl.nl> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[16:26:37] <berz3rk> Pyrrhus666: build up index on typescript..?[16:26:38] <SargoDarya> It might even fuck up the service because it expected something else.[16:26:53] <Dor> SargoDarya: what if i'm not planning to add any check in my getter/setter[16:26:56] <Pyrrhus666> dunno, I don´t see what you´re actually trying to solve[16:27:12] <berz3rk> I need the index[16:27:17] <berz3rk> but with an additional check[16:27:22] <berz3rk> and only then this number is relevant to me[16:28:07] <Elarcis> berz3rk: use a custom structure that you build in a service, templates should stay simple[16:28:16] <Pyrrhus666> ^[16:28:16] <berz3rk> 2 late[16:28:18] <berz3rk> :)[16:28:30] <Pyrrhus666> back to the drawing board then[16:28:33] <berz3rk> 2 late :D[16:28:43] <Pyrrhus666> never too late. or just quit.[16:29:01] <berz3rk> good[16:29:02] <berz3rk> xD[16:29:30] <SargoDarya> Dor: Feel free to do whatever you like. I'm just giving advice on best practices.[16:29:37] *** Elarcis <Elarcis!~root@113.123.202.35.bc.googleusercontent.com> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.4)[16:30:00] *** cabaleirog <cabaleirog!~My@pc-9-52-156-186.cm.vtr.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[16:30:15] <SargoDarya> Although having a public property on a service to me sounds like you could as well just write it on the window object.[16:30:17] *** anli <anli!~anli@gn62-116-231-34.business.gavlenet.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[16:30:19] <Dor> SargoDarya: yes , I see and I know its best practice.. just trying to be me convinced :D[16:30:20] *** cabaleirog <cabaleirog!~My@pc-9-52-156-186.cm.vtr.net> has joined #angularjs[16:30:54] <Dor> SargoDarya: as well as having a setter[16:31:00] <Dor> with no checks[16:31:13] <SargoDarya> Dor: If you really have to make something public I would instead always define a constant. Thing is you can also say you don't want a getter or a setter. Also perfectly fine.[16:31:16] *** Elarcis <Elarcis!~root@113.123.202.35.bc.googleusercontent.com> has joined #angularjs[16:31:38] <Elarcis> berz3rk: well, only complain to yourself :P[16:31:52] <berz3rk> nope[16:32:23] <berz3rk> backends fault[16:32:24] <berz3rk> in doubt for the accused[16:32:36] <Dor> SargoDarya: can't define it as a const because it may be updated , and i need its updated value, thats its in the service[16:32:49] <berz3rk> Elarcis: :P[16:32:49] *** cabaleirog <cabaleirog!~My@pc-9-52-156-186.cm.vtr.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:32:57] <SargoDarya> Dor: So you need it for state keeping purposes.[16:33:04] <berz3rk> backend doesnt have the proper structures for me[16:33:04] *** led_dark_1 <led_dark_1!~Thunderbi@hotspot10.rywasoft.net> has quit IRC (Quit: led_dark_1)[16:33:07] *** cabaleirog <cabaleirog!~My@pc-9-52-156-186.cm.vtr.net> has joined #angularjs[16:33:12] <berz3rk> when I have to parse and manipulate this stuff all the time its not my fault[16:33:23] <Dor> SargoDarya: exactly[16:33:30] <Dor> it contains a filters[16:34:41] <Elarcis> berz3rk: that's why your client is supposed to have abstraction layers[16:35:03] <berz3rk> if backend would make it properly i wouldnt need "abstraction layers"[16:35:07] <Elarcis> berz3rk: you can't preserve the same objects that your server returns and just hope you can manipulate everything in the template[16:35:14] <Elarcis> berz3rk: you ALWAYS need abstraction layers[16:35:14] <berz3rk> backend can produce 100% parsable nice code[16:35:16] <berz3rk> to iterate[16:35:32] <berz3rk> ...[16:35:39] *** cabaleirog <cabaleirog!~My@pc-9-52-156-186.cm.vtr.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:35:47] <berz3rk> rest service in this case[16:35:50] <Elarcis> berz3rk: otherwise you just create more and more coupling with each component you add to your app[16:35:59] *** cabaleirog <cabaleirog!~My@pc-9-52-156-186.cm.vtr.net> has joined #angularjs[16:36:07] *** Guest50758 <Guest50758!~quassel@189.137.34.95.customer.cdi.no> has joined #angularjs[16:36:14] <Elarcis> berz3rk: yes, you need a layer of services between your rest services and your components[16:36:21] <berz3rk> not always.[16:36:38] <berz3rk> if you modify it on client or on server , what is the difference.[16:36:44] <Elarcis> berz3rk: if you don't have one, you're doomed to have issues like your current one[16:36:46] <berz3rk> The server has to output _something_[16:36:52] *** cabaleirog <cabaleirog!~My@pc-9-52-156-186.cm.vtr.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[16:36:53] <berz3rk> if that something is in the format i need i dont have to do the shit agian[16:37:09] <Elarcis> berz3rk: in your case it's not[16:37:11] *** cabaleirog <cabaleirog!~My@pc-9-52-156-186.cm.vtr.net> has joined #angularjs[16:37:16] <berz3rk> i know[16:37:17] <Elarcis> berz3rk: I think that's a pretty good counter argument :P[16:37:20] <berz3rk> backend guy doesnt care[16:37:33] <berz3rk> about my structures i request[16:37:35] <berz3rk> or has no time[16:37:50] <berz3rk> probably no time.. like always[16:37:57] <SargoDarya> berz3rk: Sounds like fun[16:38:01] <Elarcis> berz3rk: Yes, that is because you need an intermediate client-side service that does the transform you're trying to do in-template[16:38:04] <berz3rk> if the shit is Java[16:38:32] <Elarcis> server model => data service => business service => component => template[16:38:39] <berz3rk> you need a REST client to the java stuff, it outputs the structures for you. if those structures are not in proper format, you have to change formats all time, the rest thing is not outputing properly[16:38:58] *** led_dark_1 <led_dark_1!~Thunderbi@hotspot10.rywasoft.net> has joined #angularjs[16:39:05] <berz3rk> what is business service 8)[16:39:07] <Elarcis> berz3rk: that is called high coupling[16:39:22] <icebox> well... spring boot framework is the solution in Java world[16:39:30] <berz3rk> this stuff is spring boot[16:39:33] <berz3rk> i think you know what im saying[16:39:38] <icebox> ;)[16:39:42] <berz3rk> if the output format is not iterable[16:39:48] <berz3rk> you have to prepare shit[16:39:59] <Elarcis> berz3rk: a business service is a service whose operations are related to what your users want to do with your data. a data service's operations are data-centric, a business-service is user-centri[16:40:13] <berz3rk> i dont know anything about this[16:40:16] <berz3rk> hm[16:40:31] <berz3rk> fancy words in IT world :D[16:40:38] <berz3rk> the more you know the smarter you sound?[16:40:54] <berz3rk> no offense :D[16:42:07] *** powerbit <powerbit!~powerbit@5-15-177-185.residential.rdsnet.ro> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:42:32] <trampi> at least they do not try to sell you something like this[16:42:49] <trampi> specified: { needsFastDelivery: true }[16:42:59] <trampi> api delivers: { fastDelivery: 'X' }[16:43:09] <trampi> api delivers: { fastDelivery: '' } // means: false[16:43:30] <Elarcis> berz3rk: ok, for example your business layer would have operations like addUser(), updatePassword(), etc. while your data layer is basically a glorified CRUD.[16:43:46] <trampi> oh, the wonderful world of SAP... http://www.beginners-sap.com/abap-code-sample-abap_bool/[16:44:16] <berz3rk> its for me personaly crazy that i recently found out that IT project leaders dont know any programming language[16:44:35] <Elarcis> berz3rk: it adds some abstraction over lower-level objects, and allows you to better match what your components need without having to pester your back-end dev about updating their API[16:44:51] <berz3rk> Elarcis: ok i get it :)[16:45:16] *** kirua <kirua!~kirua@unaffiliated/kirua> has quit IRC (Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com))[16:45:29] <Elarcis> berz3rk: it's not a generality, but usually when you get full-time Project Manager, you lose the opportunity to do code and slowly forget everything[16:45:40] <Elarcis> berz3rk: previous PM was a Java dev and hadn't done Java in decades[16:45:41] <berz3rk> but[16:45:44] <berz3rk> think about it[16:45:47] <berz3rk> if you dont know anything about IT[16:45:50] <berz3rk> why you are IT LEADER[16:45:55] <berz3rk> ...[16:46:07] <Elarcis> berz3rk: they know about IT, just not the slice they're not responsible for[16:46:11] <berz3rk> they dont know any programming[16:46:16] <Elarcis> berz3rk: IT is not limited to programming[16:46:18] <berz3rk> not even javascript[16:46:21] <berz3rk> holy[16:46:23] <Elarcis> berz3rk: do you know about project management?[16:46:34] <berz3rk> y[16:46:38] <SargoDarya> The more management you go the less about IT you know and the more people management you're in.[16:46:41] <berz3rk> why are they IT project managers then[16:46:46] <berz3rk> why not general project managers[16:46:51] <berz3rk> if they just talk shit with customers[16:46:53] <berz3rk> ..?[16:46:56] <Elarcis> berz3rk: because they know about It management[16:47:08] <SargoDarya> berz3rk: Watch IT crowd.[16:47:15] <pdobrogost> Hi all![16:47:20] <berz3rk> you earn more money for doing less and talking to people about how important milestones and features are[16:47:24] <berz3rk> ?[16:47:26] <berz3rk> holy[16:47:31] <pdobrogost> I've jest created ver small plunk – https://next.plnkr.co/plunk/6GpwXfCbpDtZlfDm – trying to show the problem I have.[16:47:45] <Elarcis> berz3rk: I think you're widely misevaluating what project management is about[16:48:08] <trampi> I definitely do not want to miss good PM.[16:48:09] <berz3rk> they manage projects and talk to clients[16:48:12] <pdobrogost> The problem is I have ng-clicks inside nested ng-repeats and somehow these get bind to the same rows[16:48:35] <berz3rk> they have to estimate how long features take[16:48:45] <berz3rk> bridge between client and dev[16:48:47] <berz3rk> i guess[16:49:08] <stennowork> the dev has to tell how long it takes[16:49:08] <pdobrogost> However this plunk does not exhibit what I'm observing locally.[16:49:08] <pdobrogost> Any idea what might cause this behavior?[16:49:24] <Elarcis> berz3rk: they don't "talk" to clients, they manage both the project and the client. They're providing a buffer between you and the monkey that uses your app. Paradoxically, if you think there is very little to do to handle the client, that means the manager did their job of sparing you all the complexities of their job[16:49:31] *** cabaleirog <cabaleirog!~My@pc-9-52-156-186.cm.vtr.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:49:51] *** cabaleirog <cabaleirog!~My@pc-9-52-156-186.cm.vtr.net> has joined #angularjs[16:50:15] <berz3rk> its crazy to think you can do this without knowing any programming[16:50:18] <Elarcis> berz3rk: pretty much like the client would think "but just add a button, it's easy! why do I pay you so much so that you tell me that a magic wand button is complicated to add?"[16:50:45] <Elarcis> ^ you'd have a slewgh of answers and technical info to tell them, because you know what your job is[16:51:06] <berz3rk> hm[16:51:15] <Dor> just wondering why some people when they want to use a 'shared' property in a service uses a BehavourSubject and not a simple array for example or string[16:51:18] <Elarcis> a manager's answer is similar. There are good managers, bad managers, but there are also good devs, bad devs[16:51:41] <berz3rk> but managers dont have to do overtime hours i gues[16:51:48] <berz3rk> how hard can their deadlines be i dont know[16:51:59] <Elarcis> Dor: because they want to handle the synchronisation of that that value everywhere it's used in complex cases[16:52:20] <Elarcis> Dor: in your, there is only one dashboard open at the same time that needs that filter, so you don't need to handle advanced sync.[16:52:21] <berz3rk> deadline pressure of programmer can be horrible, worst thing in the world i guess[16:52:44] <Elarcis> berz3rk: my previous PM worked his ass off and did way more time than me[16:53:03] <Dor> Elarcis: I see.. well i saw for example a BehaviorSubject that contains a simple boolean 'isLoggedIn'[16:53:23] <Elarcis> berz3rk: you know when PM is on your ass because you're late in your work? the customer likely was twice as hard on theirs[16:53:46] <berz3rk> hm[16:54:01] <berz3rk> the thing is skills of this to me are very subjective[16:54:09] <berz3rk> anyone can be a "PM"[16:54:17] <berz3rk> not so for professional programmer[16:54:43] <berz3rk> but im doing javascript bruh xD[16:55:04] <Elarcis> Dor: ok, picture yourself an old person who reads the news only once per day. They go to their local cafe, grabs a journal and read it. They left, if there is important news in the meantime, they'll see it next time[16:55:12] <Elarcis> Dor: that's your shared property[16:55:26] <berz3rk> Elarcis: doesnt matter what im saying, maybe i should go into PM at some point tho if programming is making me too aggressive :D[16:55:51] <Elarcis> Dor: if they wanted to keep up to date with the news, at any time of the day, they'd tune in their radio, and be notified when something important happens. That's your BehaviourSubject[16:56:17] *** cabaleirog <cabaleirog!~My@pc-9-52-156-186.cm.vtr.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[16:56:40] *** cabaleirog <cabaleirog!~My@pc-9-52-156-186.cm.vtr.net> has joined #angularjs[16:56:54] <Elarcis> Dor: in your case: news don't happen outside of the component's lifecycle. It doesn't need to be notified when its own settings are changed, since it loads them on init, and is the one changing its filter[16:57:48] *** Pyrrhus666 <Pyrrhus666!~Pyrrhus66@157.97.112.115> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[16:58:05] <Elarcis> Dor: if you had TWO dashboards next to each other, and wanted to synchronise filters between them, you'd use a BehaviourSubject and have both components subscribe to it, then use .next() on the subject each time they change the filter. That way, the change is notified to all subscribed components[16:59:20] *** cabaleirog123 <cabaleirog123!~MyName@pc-9-52-156-186.cm.vtr.net> has joined #angularjs[16:59:25] <Dor> Elarcis: ok, i understand now.. thank you for the explanation ![16:59:59] *** cabaleirog123 <cabaleirog123!~MyName@pc-9-52-156-186.cm.vtr.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:59:59] *** cabaleirog <cabaleirog!~My@pc-9-52-156-186.cm.vtr.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:00:10] <Elarcis> Dor: my pleasure[17:00:20] *** cabaleirog <cabaleirog!~MyName@pc-9-52-156-186.cm.vtr.net> has joined #angularjs[17:01:24] <Elarcis> berz3rk: not anyone can be a PM. You need people skill, good organisation and rigor, be able to handle conflict and compromise, be able to rely on other people for stuff you don't know about, and know when to take hits for your teams vs. letting your team take the hits it deserves[17:01:39] *** cabaleirog <cabaleirog!~MyName@pc-9-52-156-186.cm.vtr.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:02:00] *** cabaleirog <cabaleirog!~MyName@pc-9-52-156-186.cm.vtr.net> has joined #angularjs[17:02:24] <Elarcis> berz3rk: it's a bit like you said "anyone can be a manager in the restaurant, not so much for the cook"[17:02:34] <Elarcis> berz3rk: they require different skillsets[17:02:45] <berz3rk> ok :D[17:02:58] <Elarcis> berz3rk: (and that's why there are bad managers, because it's not just a lazy dev upgrade)[17:03:32] <berz3rk> being programmer is realy hard tho[17:03:43] *** soee <soee!~soee@aaye118.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl> has joined #angularjs[17:04:05] *** max_at_ <max_at_!~max_at@217.111.93.34> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:04:10] *** al-damiri <al-damiri!uid142631@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-krarzoijlnwiruky> has joined #angularjs[17:04:49] <stennowork> a PM cannot justify himself: "It isn't my fault, it's the fault of my underlings"[17:05:16] <stennowork> then their boss would say: "You were supposed to manage them, of course it's your fault"[17:05:29] <SargoDarya> In a normal world, yes[17:05:30] <stennowork> so the PM will always take the blame from the upper management if something goes wrong[17:05:38] <berz3rk> i worked in a company that just went crazy nuts, but dont know if its managers fault[17:05:52] <berz3rk> probably it is when i had to work until 11 pm for 3 days a week[17:06:00] <Elarcis> berz3rk: it's usually someone's fault, that rippled through the chain[17:06:35] <SargoDarya> If you have to work overtime for weeks straight then it might be a communication problem.[17:06:56] <SargoDarya> If developers on the other hand have never been even asked for estimations, fuck management[17:07:22] <Elarcis> berz3rk: look up the Dunning-Kruger effect. Being competent at almost any job is hard[17:07:47] <berz3rk> i was new there[17:07:58] <berz3rk> but i didnt got any time for learning[17:08:06] *** soee_ <soee_!~soee@user-5-173-152-25.play-internet.pl> has joined #angularjs[17:08:15] *** soee <soee!~soee@aaye118.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[17:08:16] <Elarcis> berz3rk: you just haven't seen enough of other jobs to imagine what would make them hard[17:08:42] <berz3rk> my brains melting tho often times xD[17:08:46] *** Guest50758 <Guest50758!~quassel@189.137.34.95.customer.cdi.no> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[17:09:36] *** punknroll <punknroll!~Thunderbi@p83-219-165-60.snwdip.snw.at> has quit IRC (Quit: punknroll)[17:09:40] <jlebrech> sometimes you can get managed out of competency[17:09:46] <jlebrech> like micromanagement[17:12:43] <berz3rk> no idea what to do[17:12:50] <Elarcis> Rene Descartes predated current Twitter politic debates by a few hundred years, what a brilliant man[17:12:58] <berz3rk> coding is fun, but if I want to earn more money i think i should look elsewhere[17:14:16] <Elarcis> berz3rk: you can always earn more money coding. You just need to be so good at it that you become rare amongst your peers[17:14:38] <berz3rk> but not in game development :D[17:14:44] <berz3rk> T_T[17:14:44] <Elarcis> berz3rk: that doesn't mean you'll magically get a raise. Just give you better opportunities[17:15:13] <stennowork> you can earn a lot of money as a coder[17:15:17] <stennowork> insane amounts of money[17:17:06] <Elarcis> berz3rk: granted some jobs pay better than others, but you shouldn't usually expect any easy job to pay better.[17:17:27] <berz3rk> are you sure[17:17:43] <berz3rk> im getting almost twice money in this insurancy for much much less work[17:18:31] <Elarcis> berz3rk: also, beware that an offset between your perceived retribution for work you did and the perceived difficulty of the work might cause you stress on the long term[17:18:51] <Elarcis> berz3rk: which means feeling that your skills are underused is as much stressful as feeling overworked[17:19:18] <berz3rk> hm im working in design, its a new field[17:19:23] <Elarcis> berz3rk: look for an equilibrium of personal satisfaction and good retribution[17:19:24] *** icebox <icebox!~nodebot@213.215.204.90> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:19:44] <jlebrech> you get to know an industry and then make your own product for that industry[17:19:57] <jlebrech> well as least with games you can have flow[17:20:02] <berz3rk> you mean going freelancer[17:20:17] <berz3rk> i tried it but im realy bad talking with people[17:20:29] <stennowork> freelancer is a lot of work[17:20:37] <jlebrech> build a product like a crm or whetever that people would find useful[17:20:37] <Elarcis> berz3rk: HA, so for you project management wouldn't be so easy :P[17:20:47] <stennowork> you have to make everything yourself, project management, acquisition, bookkeeping[17:20:55] <stennowork> development, support[17:21:01] <Elarcis> self-care[17:21:17] <stennowork> tax-related stuff is more complicated too (at least here in germany)[17:21:23] <jlebrech> or work in a bigger team so you can specialise[17:21:30] <Elarcis> really not a job for me, I can barely handle myself :P[17:21:49] <jlebrech> being full stack dev can make my mind go all over the place[17:21:59] <stennowork> yeah i am glad too that i am a fulltime employee, even though that means that i cannot improve my earnings directly by myself[17:22:01] <berz3rk> :-)[17:22:21] <Elarcis> I love being sent on missions, I can see so many fields of work and learn about them![17:22:32] <stennowork> mission?[17:22:34] <jlebrech> y'all see this humblebundle https://www.humblebundle.com/books/python-packt-2019-books[17:22:55] <stennowork> books about programming...[17:23:05] <stennowork> assume they are outdated in a few months[17:23:33] <jlebrech> all least everything contained in a book target a certain set of libraries[17:23:50] <Elarcis> stennowork: I work for a service company[17:23:55] <stennowork> aah i see[17:24:31] <jlebrech> I miss how everything you needed to know could be in a handful of books[17:24:41] <jlebrech> no internet distractions[17:24:52] <stennowork> so that was in 1985 then?[17:24:59] <jlebrech> 2000s[17:25:01] <stennowork> i have a PASCAL manual from then[17:25:10] <jlebrech> all you need[17:25:16] <jlebrech> does pascal do http?[17:26:04] <stennowork> uh, no idea[17:26:10] <stennowork> i'd guess so[17:26:17] <stennowork> after all all you need to do is binding to a port[17:26:29] <stennowork> and the rest can be implemented[17:26:49] <jlebrech> a lot of languages are going to start targetting js https://nim-lang.org/features.html[17:26:53] <Elarcis> ah, the 2000s. Remember when JS was all about copy-pasting snippets to put snow on your website?[17:27:05] <stennowork> http://wiki.freepascal.org/Synapse[17:27:24] *** jimlei_ <jimlei_!~quassel@189.137.34.95.customer.cdi.no> has joined #angularjs[17:27:24] <Elarcis> when it followed your cursor's movements you'd be the wizard of the virtual neighborhood[17:28:07] <jlebrech> i preferrer animated hard hat myself[17:28:19] <jlebrech> always under construction[17:28:52] <Elarcis> jlebrech: ah yes[17:28:54] <stennowork> related http://www.wonder-tonic.com/geocitiesizer/[17:29:37] <Elarcis> ahah, what a pain[17:29:43] <jlebrech> I kinda like pascal having a capital letter in front of all their classes, then you can use simpler variables for yourself[17:29:46] <Elarcis> my eyes are so grateful rn[17:30:08] <Elarcis> jlebrech: isn't that how every langage works?[17:30:15] <Elarcis> (class-based)[17:30:46] <jlebrech> i mean the prefixes[17:31:03] <Elarcis> oh[17:31:04] <Elarcis> ah[17:31:52] *** XsiSec <XsiSec!~xsisec@2a07-a880-4603-1062-a1c0-81ec-af94-d907.pool6.ovpn.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[17:31:55] <jlebrech> i should have just got C++ and good book on making dos games[17:32:11] <jlebrech> that win95/directx transition sucked[17:32:11] <stennowork> pascal doesn't have classes ^_^"[17:32:30] <jlebrech> oh, object pascal :)[17:32:36] *** voltron <voltron!~voltron@98.187.3.13> has joined #angularjs[17:32:49] <stennowork> who needs DOS when you have curses/VT100 :v[17:33:24] <jlebrech> killer app, rogue[17:34:10] <berz3rk> remember myspace :P ?[17:34:42] <berz3rk> ...[17:35:02] <jlebrech> this is cool https://towardsdatascience.com/analyse-a-soccer-game-using-tensorflow-object-detection-and-opencv-e321c230e8f2[17:43:03] *** Kimm0n0 <Kimm0n0!~Kimmono@195.159.198.100> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:47:08] <stennowork> jlebrech, you mean rogue as in roguelike?[17:47:21] * stennowork is passionate nethack player[17:47:37] <jlebrech> damn, yeh. nethack[17:47:43] <jlebrech> that's the name of it :)[17:47:59] <stennowork> well rogue is the grandfather of nethack[17:48:30] <stennowork> also 'passionate' might mean 'zealous' in my case[17:49:28] <stennowork> it _could_ be that given certain measures i am one of the best nethack players of all times *brag brag*[17:53:39] *** max_at <max_at!~max_at@unaffiliated/max-at/x-2708233> has joined #angularjs[17:57:32] *** Dor <Dor!29e739fa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.41.231.57.250> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[18:01:29] *** jlebrech <jlebrech!~jlebrech@89.165.136.2> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:12:34] *** TimTheTinker <TimTheTinker!~timthetin@47.149.104.241> has joined #angularjs[18:14:48] *** cabaleirog <cabaleirog!~MyName@pc-9-52-156-186.cm.vtr.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[18:15:17] *** mosulica <mosulica!~textual@79.112.173.47> has joined #angularjs[18:24:22] *** cabaleirog <cabaleirog!~MyName@pc-9-52-156-186.cm.vtr.net> has joined #angularjs[18:25:42] *** irdr <irdr!~irdr@bzq-109-65-3-226.red.bezeqint.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[18:26:47] *** jimlei_ <jimlei_!~quassel@189.137.34.95.customer.cdi.no> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[18:28:27] <berz3rk> you know this css effect when you have two elements side by side inline-block, but one is higher and the other is lower? not on same vertical level[18:31:26] *** lghtstkr is now known as lightstalker[18:33:40] <ray02> berz3rk to me sounds more like an error :p[18:33:49] <berz3rk> css is an error[18:34:13] <stennowork> no, you are just incompetent[18:34:35] <stennowork> as you are also not willing to provide a testcase in #css, you will likely not get help either[18:34:39] <berz3rk> but i just position absolute :-)[18:34:51] <berz3rk> dude[18:34:51] <stennowork> yes, that underlines my claim[18:35:13] <berz3rk> incompetent? i solved it[18:35:18] <berz3rk> i am sure you know what i talk about tho[18:35:34] *** Limarson <Limarson!~marcel.cr@xdsl-78-35-93-212.nc.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[18:35:36] <berz3rk> why a test case when you know my problem[18:35:38] <berz3rk> thats being a dick bruh[18:35:46] <stennowork> you are the one that wants help[18:35:54] <berz3rk> im not a begger bruh[18:36:03] <stennowork> well you fixed it right[18:36:09] <stennowork> with... position: absolute[18:36:09] <berz3rk> y[18:36:12] <berz3rk> xD[18:36:14] <stennowork> well then.[18:36:38] <stennowork> no need to even ask then[18:37:19] <berz3rk> .[18:37:28] <berz3rk> i thought i find friends online u know[18:40:01] <ray02> lol[18:52:08] *** AndrewIsh <AndrewIsh!~andrew@mrboom.plus.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:52:39] *** AtumT <AtumT!~IRC@177.133.48.191.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br> has joined #angularjs[18:57:00] *** fkm <fkm!~fkm@unaffiliated/fkm> has quit IRC (Quit: Bye)[18:58:02] *** pupskuchen <pupskuchen!~pupskuche@unaffiliated/pupskuchen> has joined #angularjs[18:58:18] *** AtumT <AtumT!~IRC@177.133.48.191.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[18:58:32] *** AtumT <AtumT!~IRC@177.133.48.191.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br> has joined #angularjs[19:00:12] *** fkm <fkm!~fkm@unaffiliated/fkm> has joined #angularjs[19:03:25] *** stennowork <stennowork!~stenno@unaffiliated/chao> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[19:06:18] *** electricark <electricark!~electrica@68.205.206.46> has joined #angularjs[19:06:21] *** fkm <fkm!~fkm@unaffiliated/fkm> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[19:08:03] *** Kimmono <Kimmono!~Kimmono@195.159.198.100> has joined #angularjs[19:10:11] *** replay <replay!~replay@pdpc/supporter/student/replay> has joined #angularjs[19:10:34] *** n3m0 <n3m0!malek@fm.synthte.ch> has joined #angularjs[19:10:51] *** n3m0 <n3m0!malek@fm.synthte.ch> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[19:11:10] *** mosulica <mosulica!~textual@79.112.173.47> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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