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[08:24:22] <SuperTyp> good morning

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[08:38:58] <icebox> hey folks

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[08:42:31] <SuperTyp> how are you icebox

[08:42:38] <icebox> SuperTyp: fine thanks

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[09:08:49] <Tazmain> good morning all

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[09:10:49] <Pyrrhus666> morning #angularjs Tazmain

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[09:21:01] <SuperTyp> gm Tazmain gm Pyrrhus666

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[09:39:59] <Elarcis> ah, nothing like the perspective of a productive day ahead!

[09:40:20] <Elarcis> (hello you peasants)

[09:41:12] <Pyrrhus666> good morning my liege

[09:42:26] <ray02> hello hello morning folks!

[09:42:35] <Pyrrhus666> morning ray02

[09:42:50] <ray02> the day start well?

[09:43:12] <Pyrrhus666> meh :)

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[09:47:11] <ray02> let's say that the weekend is more near today :)

[09:50:26] <Elarcis> positive attitude, that's the spirit!

[09:51:01] <ray02> :)

[09:51:04] <Pyrrhus666> ray02, also : the end of everything is one day closer :P

[09:51:38] <ray02> Pyrrhus666 that is what push me up to continue :p

[09:51:59] <Elarcis> funny thing, the crappy ssh client I use only supports some ANSI-like encoding, so every UTF-8 character I type is converted into as many question marks as they need for UTF-8 storage

[09:52:17] <Elarcis> the true apostrophe is ???

[09:52:25] <Elarcis> the acute E is ??

[09:52:39] <Elarcis> don't judge me, I'm easily amused

[09:53:15] <Elarcis> by UTF-8 I of course mean non-ANSI compatible

[09:53:22] <Pyrrhus666> easy to see how many bytes a char has then :)

[09:53:36] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: yes :D

[09:54:30] <Elarcis> tbh I documented myself on UTF-8 the other day, and I found the whole system pretty brilliant (at least the parts I understood)

[09:55:45] <Elarcis> i had to help a friend code a program to convert Code Page 437 into UTF-8, it was pretty informative to say the least

[09:57:03] <Pyrrhus666> just to iconv(´foo´, ´CP-437´, ´UTF8´) :P

[09:57:08] <Pyrrhus666> *do

[09:57:11] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: eh

[09:57:18] <Elarcis> eeeeeeh

[09:57:49] <Pyrrhus666> ok ok, not really informative, agreed. but it works wonders.

[09:57:54] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: they wanted to code it themselves

[09:58:36] <Pyrrhus666> I guess that transform at least doesn´t need any transliteration ?

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[10:00:29] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: they did it in Rust, and I admit I have no idea whether Rust's strings are normalised

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[10:03:58] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: I suppose since the string were literals typed on a keyboard, they just matched the characters, so they were canonically composed

[10:04:07] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: does that make sense? is that what you asked?

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[10:05:33] <Pyrrhus666> Elarcis, not really sure, actually :) what I meant was that in some cases the target charset has no presentation for a character and needs to be replaced (like ß => ss or é => e)

[10:05:55] <Pyrrhus666> and I guess that transliteration is hard...

[10:06:06] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: ah, I was way off. There was indeed no need for that

[10:06:36] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: Unicode is pretty exhaustive relative to other systems :P

[10:09:12] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: I thought you were talking about composition, where an acute E can also be a E followed by an acute accent.

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[10:17:47] <SuperTyp> OT: anyone knows what this is for? http://www.lannerinc.com/products/network-appliances/x86-desktop-network-appliances/nca-1010

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[10:30:10] <ray02>  helps manage and secure devices connected to local WiFi network, like a compact entry-level firewall or multi-service gateway.

[10:30:18] <ray02> superTyp

[10:31:08] <SuperTyp> thx :)

[10:32:28] <ray02> i mean i don't know in practical how could be usefull :p

[10:32:45] <ray02> but that is what they write in the description :p

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[10:54:19] <icebox> OT: how to manage "old" issues... interesting thread fro one of the most prolific open source dev... https://mobile.twitter.com/sindresorhus/status/1082145283285250048

[10:55:23] <Elarcis> hello icebox

[10:55:36] <Elarcis> icebox: Happy New Year!

[10:55:55] <icebox> Elarcis: hey... HNY :)

[10:57:02] <SuperTyp> ray02, weird that I have overread this part...

[10:57:46] <Elarcis> icebox: I didn't even know some projects removed inactve issues

[10:57:54] <Elarcis> icebox: indeed it sounds dumb and counter-productive as hell

[10:58:26] <Elarcis> icebox: to me it looks more like a way of fudging the issues count rather than groundkeeping

[10:59:12] <ray02> SuperTyp it's happens when you are so concentrated to look the answer and you actually skip it :p

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[11:27:43] <Dor> Hello!

[11:27:59] <ray02> hey hey dor

[11:28:02] <ray02> Dor

[11:28:08] <Dor> Hello ray :)

[11:28:57] <Dor> guys, i have a formData that contain the following https://pastebin.com/SbcnHAgz

[11:29:14] <Dor> I want to add a file under 'data' , any idea how can I do this ?

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[11:29:30] <Dor> 'file' : myFileObject

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[11:38:40] <Pyrrhus666> Dor, is this still the same issue as yesterday ?

[11:40:04] <Dor> Pyrrhus666: yes the same

[11:40:18] <Dor> in fact I found out that the server excepted the file to be in the same array with data

[11:40:39] <Dor> while I'm appending it in a new key "file"

[11:40:56] <Pyrrhus666> but the base of the problem is that the post request that goes out is invalid somehow, right ?

[11:41:09] <Dor> Pyrrhus666: yes exactly

[11:41:36] <Dor> I must find a way to make my file under "data" key

[11:41:50] <Dor> with "title" and "description" fields

[11:42:06] <Dor> thats why it worked in postman.. they were sent in the same array

[11:42:13] <Dor> (with the same key)

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[11:44:58] <Elarcis> Dor: you mean the same object then?

[11:46:08] <Dor> Elarcis: not sure how to call that, but my goal now is to make my formData contains: data: { 'title' : 'my title str here', 'description': 'my description str', file: myFileObject }

[11:52:34] <Dor> Elarcis, Pyrrhus666 any idea?

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[11:57:29] <Pyrrhus666> Dor, formData.append(´data[file]´, file, filename); ?

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[11:58:53] <Dor> Pyrrhus666: I tried it but it don't seem to work

[11:59:10] <Dor> i think it consider 'data[file]' (str) as a new key

[11:59:39] <Pyrrhus666> according to the docs that should work though...

[12:00:17] <Pyrrhus666> Dor, see https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/FormData/append

[12:00:35] <Dor> I'll try again

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[12:10:41] <Dorr> Pyrrhus666: by the way, I think that the "subscribe" that you noticed yesterday is making the post go 4 times :p

[12:10:47] <Dorr> maybe I have to remove it

[12:13:18] <Pyrrhus666> Dorr, could be, by default angular retries it once on error

[12:13:43] <icebox> see you later.. need to commute to another HQ

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[12:18:21] <Dorr> Pyrrhus666: I found a way to make them in the same array :D

[12:18:30] <Dorr> well, I just appended each field apart

[12:18:59] <Pyrrhus666> Dorr, if it works, fine :)

[12:19:22] <SargoDarya> Hezo folks

[12:20:11] <Pyrrhus666> afternoon SargoDarya

[12:20:52] <SargoDarya> Yea, had to stay at home first part of the day and there I don't have enough screen space to have my messengers all open xD

[12:29:14] <Pyrrhus666> no secondary monitor especially for that ? ;)

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[12:39:37] <SargoDarya> I have a dedicated monitor for slack, IRC and hangouts

[12:40:01] <SuperTyp> re

[12:40:03] <SuperTyp> I am so hungry

[12:40:10] <SargoDarya> Welcome back SuperTyp

[12:41:00] <stennowork> people are still using hangouts?

[12:41:24] <SargoDarya> Sure stennowork, why not?

[12:41:39] <SargoDarya> Especially for streaming meetings it's quite good.

[12:41:44] <stennowork> i thought tit died a horrible death a few years ago

[12:41:45] <stennowork> i see

[12:42:26] <SargoDarya> You're thinking of Google Wave, Plus, whatever other discontinued google product there might be

[12:43:53] <stennowork> maybe

[12:49:12] <SargoDarya> Freaking hell, snow is going to be crazy the next 2 days. Up to 70cm :|

[12:50:04] <Pyrrhus666> meanwhile here´s it´s +7C and dry

[12:50:26] <stennowork> here it's 7C too but wet and windy

[12:50:49] <SargoDarya> Right now it's as well. It should start at around 6pm over here

[12:51:00] <stennowork> apparently there will be floo in the german norther coast

[12:51:03] <stennowork> flood

[12:52:06] <Pyrrhus666> the dikes in the north here have extra guards these days. surges of over 4m above normal are coming.

[12:52:27] <SargoDarya> I'm sure climate change is a hoax...

[12:52:57] <stennowork> Pyrrhus666, where are you from?

[12:53:04] <stennowork> i am from northern germany

[12:53:05] <Pyrrhus666> it is. it´s actually a climate catastrophy ;)

[12:53:15] <Pyrrhus666> stennowork, netherlands

[12:53:22] <stennowork> ah gotcha

[12:53:32] <stennowork> yeah for the netherlands it's even more destructive

[12:53:50] <Pyrrhus666> we´ll just slowly move to germany ;)

[12:54:22] <stennowork> you are always welcome here but..

[12:54:37] <Pyrrhus666> Sie schaffen das, I presume ;)

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[12:58:57] <SargoDarya> Pyrrhus666: Can you actually speak german?

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[12:59:17] <Pyrrhus666> ein bisschen. I had it in high school for 3 years.

[13:00:52] <stennowork> most netherlands people can speak better german than germans can speak dutch

[13:00:58] <stennowork> it's a bit embarrassing

[13:01:56] <Pyrrhus666> well, german was mandatory in high school for a long time. that helps (also french and english)

[13:02:27] <SargoDarya> I'm not going to make friends with that statement but I always had the impression that dutch sounds a little bit like the bastard child of german and french language.

[13:02:56] <Pyrrhus666> heh. we have a lot of words of french origin, so that´s a bit understandable

[13:03:18] <Pyrrhus666> or more generally, latin origins

[13:05:52] <Pyrrhus666> reminds me of this gorgeous tree : http://www.openculture.com/2015/06/the-tree-of-languages-illustrated-in-a-big-beautiful-infographic.html

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[13:09:28] <SargoDarya> So german is the root of all evil?

[13:12:18] <Pyrrhus666> nah, more like indo-european

[13:13:18] <SargoDarya> Not much difference

[13:13:21] <SargoDarya> *ignorance intensifies*

[13:14:37] <Pyrrhus666> quite :)

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[13:29:14] <Elarcis> Dorr: I really don't know what the format expected by your API is

[13:29:54] <Elarcis> Dorr: is it some multipart/form-data? A JSON object with the file content in base64

[13:30:14] <Elarcis> Dorr: is it something else?

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[13:31:39] <Dorr> Elarcis: its a file, not a base64

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[13:35:17] <Pyrrhus666> a json object like  { data: { file: file, firstkey: firstval, secondkey: secondval }} I guess ?

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[13:40:21] <trampi> hi there!

[13:40:25] <Elarcis> Dorr: you can't store a file as binary in a JSON object, you have to encode it somehow

[13:40:57] <Elarcis> Dorr: (when I say JSON, I mean the text version of what you send to the server)

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[13:41:12] <Elarcis> man, the JSON-literal object is the worst misunderstanding ever in the JS world

[13:41:21] <Elarcis> hi trampi

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[13:45:38] <Pyrrhus666> JSON is the biggest mistake in the world, period :P

[13:45:59] <trampi> ahh, Dorr, you're still fighting with the upload, eh? I'll keep my fingers crossed!

[13:46:10] <stennowork> no, ignorance about the basic nature of javascript is a mistake

[13:46:26] <SargoDarya> Pyrrhus666: I'd love to hear your stance on XML then

[13:46:49] <stennowork> let's define an array in xml!

[13:46:57] <Elarcis> stennowork: ...??

[13:46:58] <Pyrrhus666> biggest success in the world ever, period :P

[13:47:04] <stennowork> <array><el>1</el><el>2</el></array>

[13:47:04] <SargoDarya> stennowork: That's not hard actually

[13:47:16] <stennowork> as opposed to

[13:47:18] <stennowork> [1,2]

[13:47:20] <stennowork> hmm

[13:47:31] <Pyrrhus666> verbosity is not a problem

[13:47:33] <Elarcis> stennowork: different format, same data

[13:47:36] <SargoDarya> Well, to be fair it would be array: [1, 2]

[13:48:03] <Elarcis> stennowork: abstraction hides these details

[13:48:28] <trampi> xml is way better, just look at the equivalent JSON here: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0295.html#intro (may contain sarcasm)

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[13:49:00] <Elarcis> 0000000000000000000000000000000100000000000000000000000000000010

[13:49:01] <SargoDarya> trampi: Don't get me started on XMPP...

[13:49:16] <Pyrrhus666> haha :)

[13:49:57] <stennowork> how is xmpp related to that?

[13:50:11] <stennowork> xmpp is a protocol, isn't it?

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[13:50:25] <stennowork> (jabber)

[13:50:28] <Elarcis> best way to convey data is by sending a .js script with a single get() function that returns the desired data :P

[13:50:29] <SargoDarya> XMPP communication is based on XML.

[13:51:20] <SargoDarya> trampi: If you represent JSON like that you have a whole different problem. If you try to map what XML does to JSON in a naive way it will always look like shit.

[13:51:57] <stennowork> there is still a difference between XML, a language, and XMPP, a protocol

[13:52:24] <Elarcis> TIL JS uses double-precision floating-point numbers in memory, it's not even 32bits integers

[13:52:45] <trampi> SargoDarya & stennowork: I explicitly wrote that the RFC may contain sarcasm. This RFC is an aprils fool RFC :-) it's just a joke!

[13:53:02] <SargoDarya> stennowork: Sorry, let me state it differently. The XMPP protocol is a clusterfuck itself.

[13:53:11] <trampi> And don't get me started on binary XMPP via XML: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0239.html#examples

[13:53:20] <trampi> because plaintext? how unefficient!

[13:53:40] <Pyrrhus666> still april 1st, no ?

[13:53:43] <SargoDarya> trampi: Was quite apparent that it was a joke by only wrapping the XML in JSON

[13:55:03] <SargoDarya> trampi: Not because it's unefficient but because you have to be so verbose with everything and sometimes things are so cryptic that it really is a pain in the ass to understand sometimes. I'm not sure how many RFCs of XMPP I've already read just to figure out that they're superseeded, discontinued or what else.

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[13:56:07] <stennowork> SargoDarya, fair enough

[13:56:12] <SargoDarya> Sorry, XEPs, not RFCs

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[13:58:00] <stennowork> back then i preferred jabber over icq because it was foss

[13:58:10] <stennowork> xmpp over.. oscar or whatsitcalled?

[13:58:21] <trampi> SargoDarya: correct, XEP not RFC. Was my fault.

[13:58:26] <SargoDarya> I'm still trying to find out the best way for read notifications because our current way of doing it is really hacky.

[13:59:55] <SargoDarya> There would be this thing but that's not implemented everywhere and seeing how it's in a browser app we would have to track that stuff on the server somehow. Fun times.

[13:59:57] <SargoDarya> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0184.html

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[14:00:37] <SargoDarya> Also all possible ones are draft ones.

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[14:01:56] <SargoDarya> Nothing tops that one though: https://github.com/gco/xee/blob/master/XeePhotoshopLoader.m#L108

[14:02:15] <Pyrrhus666> hehe. psd is a nightmare

[14:02:53] <stennowork> good old windows bmp, never does trouble

[14:02:58] <stennowork> you know what you get

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[14:03:02] <stennowork> who needs compression anyway

[14:04:02] <SargoDarya> Reminds me of a fun project I had to do for a former job. Inject EXIF tags on streaming images.

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[14:04:57] <stennowork> sounds cool

[14:05:08] <stennowork> if i understand correctly

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[14:06:54] <SargoDarya> Yeah, was a small thing where I had to read exactly on how JPEG is set up. Was working beautifully unless it received a JPG where for some reason bytes are corrupted.

[14:07:21] <SargoDarya> Mind you, it was for a professional photography site where they sometimes upload 200Mb photos.

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[14:08:53] <stennowork> did you implement your own jpeg lib for that?

[14:09:08] <stennowork> in that cases, even though it's huge, stuff like imagemagick is useful

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[14:09:10] <trampi> :D :D :D

[14:09:12] <SargoDarya> I wrote a parser on my own, yea.

[14:09:17] <stennowork> nice

[14:09:18] <trampi> sounds hacky and awesome!

[14:09:29] <SargoDarya> Regrets were had.

[14:09:32] <stennowork> yeah :P

[14:09:42] <trampi> SargoDarya: actually I will implement in some days exactly the same regarding read notifications and I am still researching too!

[14:10:04] <stennowork> trampi, SargoDarya is that read notifications regarding xmpp/jabber or was that another topic

[14:10:15] <trampi> stennowork: XMPP/jabber

[14:10:18] <SargoDarya> ^

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[14:10:34] <stennowork> one _would_ think that those things are properly documented

[14:10:52] <stennowork> or rather, there should be libraries helping you with that kind of stuff

[14:11:06] <SargoDarya> Well, documentation is great

[14:11:18] <SargoDarya> Show's you exactly what needs to be done the XEPs are VERY VERY clear about that.

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[14:11:54] <SargoDarya> But good luck trying to find libs which do all of the things you need for a project without rolling your own thing.

[14:11:58] <trampi> the problem is, that there is no standard in XMPP regarding transmitting your chat partner / the server that you have 'seen' a message. There is XEP-0184 which defines how to tell that your client has RECEIVED the message, but there is no standard to transmit that the user has SEEN it.

[14:12:27] <stennowork> 'seen' is a bit vaguely defined, isn't it?

[14:12:35] <trampi> i'm already rolling it using https://github.com/xmppjs/xmpp.js, my project is located here: https://github.com/pazznetwork/ngx-chat

[14:12:46] <stennowork> right

[14:13:01] <SargoDarya> stennowork: Nah, you can for example with IntersectionObserver check if a message was in view and then mark it as seen

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[14:14:11] <stennowork> yes but that is entirely up to the client

[14:14:16] <stennowork> hmm

[14:14:20] <stennowork> i think i get it now

[14:14:36] <SargoDarya> Absolutely and that's the reason why in an XEP the first thing you do is ask a client for his supported features

[14:14:49] <stennowork> i see

[14:15:21] <SargoDarya> It's not the easiest to work with to be honest.

[14:15:40] <SargoDarya> I'd say it's an equal amount of fun and hate.

[14:15:57] <stennowork> be happy that you have a protocol at all :P

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[14:16:08] <stennowork> for my last project i needed to read RFID data from a reader

[14:16:31] <stennowork> so i had to write my own socket protocol for that

[14:17:00] <trampi> XMPP / some XEPs have some shortcomings but to be honest I like working with them. It is very rewarding IMHO to see it working / interoperating with other clients.

[14:17:02] <stennowork> turns out that figuring out if that specific rfid reader was actually _online_ was very hard

[14:17:39] <trampi> :-/ sounds not that great

[14:18:12] <stennowork> like: "i don't get data. does that mean that it was scanned and there were no tags to scan, or do i have to call the on-site IT to check if someone pulled the plug again"

[14:18:35] <stennowork> (which happened. a lot)

[14:19:06] <SargoDarya> stennowork: Had the same about 13 years back when I had to work with an MMS gateway and you didn't know if it's a provider issue with the MMS, the gateway or our service which fucked up something.

[14:19:32] <trampi> Yeah, sometimes the most obvious use cases have either no or no good API / error codes / whatever.

[14:19:35] <stennowork> (venting/unrelated) it even got worse, at some point they decided to shut down the whole network. and their configuration had _dynamic MAC addresses_ so it took quite some time and testing to actually get our machine back

[14:19:43] <stennowork> with the proper interfaces

[14:19:56] <trampi> dynamic mac addresses? sounds ... wild.

[14:19:56] <SargoDarya> How the fuck can you have dynamic mac addresses?

[14:20:06] <SargoDarya> Like, that's pretty low level

[14:20:29] <stennowork> it can be done both on virtual machines and on linux

[14:20:36] <stennowork> dedi linux

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[14:20:50] <SargoDarya> You can even do it on windows if I'm not mistaken but that's nothing a normal sysadmin would ever do.

[14:20:51] <trampi> yes, I know, but why would I want to do that in a corporate environment?

[14:20:57] <SargoDarya> ^

[14:21:00] <stennowork> i wondered that too.

[14:21:12] <stennowork> never seeen something like that before

[14:22:29] <stennowork> had a few very amusing hours until that was figured out

[14:22:58] <trampi> the good thing: it never ever gets boring in our domain.

[14:23:29] <stennowork> it was cool after we figured out the IP, that we couldn't connect to it, because on the machine of course all the interfaces were down because the mac address changes

[14:23:29] <stennowork> d

[14:23:52] <stennowork> and we found the IP by nmapping the subnet.

[14:23:55] <trampi> :D

[14:24:09] <trampi> (wanted to ask right now how you got the IP)

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[14:24:21] <JeyJH> Hello everybody

[14:24:25] <trampi> hi there!

[14:25:01] <JeyJH> Wanted to ask people about observable/subscribe/Forkjoin

[14:25:12] <JeyJH> Here is an example https://stackoverflow.com/questions/46500221/execute-code-after-completing-all-multiple-service-call

[14:25:42] <SargoDarya> That would sound like something where a hostname would come in handy stennowork as the router should resolve those correctly unless name resolution is cached.

[14:26:09] <stennowork> we didn't have internet and the VLAN didn't have a DNS configured

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[14:26:11] <JeyJH> I'm talking about the answer from Faly, is there a way to do the exact same but the subscribe on the forkJoin happen even if one of the service called fail

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[14:26:28] <stennowork> we didn't have internet inside the vlan*

[14:26:56] <stennowork> SargoDarya, also i even wonder if DNS would have helped if the interface was down

[14:27:05] <stennowork> i guess it would resolve to correct IP at least

[14:27:10] <SargoDarya> Nah, if the interface is down nothing helps

[14:27:12] <stennowork> or no:

[14:27:13] <stennowork> yep

[14:29:20] <Elarcis> JeyJH: subscribe separately to each observabl, and forkjoin them later?

[14:29:23] <trampi> JeyJH: you could pipe the inner observables to catch and return an error?

[14:30:44] <JeyJH> ok let me explain a bit more my case i have got to service call and i want to do smt after both answered even if one of them is KO

[14:30:51] <JeyJH> two *

[14:31:01] <JeyJH> two service call*

[14:31:47] <trampi> yes. You can do that with catch. ForkJoin will NOT execute if one observable emits an error. But you can pipe your inner observables through catch and instead let the observable emit an error object instead of emitting an error. Then ForkJoin will pick the emitted error value up as soon as the other call finishes / emits an error value!

[14:32:37] <Elarcis> ^

[14:33:32] <JeyJH> OK thanks i'll try

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[14:33:49] <JeyJH> and give you some feed back ^^ thanks everyone you are awesome :!

[14:33:53] <Elarcis> though I believe the operator is called catchError

[14:33:55] <trampi> you're welcome :-)

[14:34:03] <Elarcis> JeyJH: no prob

[14:34:08] <JeyJH> i saw this one but obs is pretty new to me

[14:34:43] <JeyJH> i miss my promise lol

[14:34:54] <trampi> :D you'll get used to it

[14:34:54] <Elarcis> JeyJH: yeah, it takes a bit of a weird flex to wrap your head around it, especially if you've never worked with promises before, and especiallier if you've worked with promises before

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[14:35:11] <Elarcis> JeyJH: please note that you can still use promises

[14:35:21] <JeyJH> yeah i know but i want to get into obs

[14:35:35] <Elarcis> JeyJH: beware of turning every issue into a nail :P

[14:35:41] <trampi> :D

[14:36:02] <JeyJH> ahah i'll try not to ^^

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[14:39:35] <stennowork> what magic is $scope.$watch in angular 1.7

[14:39:44] <stennowork> angularjs*

[14:40:05] <Pyrrhus666> stennowork, isn´t that a big no-no ?

[14:40:12] <Elarcis> stennowork: it's a callback that's constantly ran, coupled to a callback that's ran only when the first callback's return changes

[14:40:17] <SargoDarya> It is and you shouldn't do it.

[14:40:19] <stennowork> idk i am just looking at this code someone wrote

[14:40:23] <stennowork> Elarcis, thanks

[14:40:41] <stennowork> in this case it's:

[14:40:44] <Elarcis> stennowork: don't use it if possible, which is 99% of your well-designed cases

[14:40:44] <stennowork>  $scope.$watch("ngModel", ...

[14:40:46] <SargoDarya> Elarcis: It's not necessarily a callback. Might be just a simple property as well.

[14:41:10] <SargoDarya> yea, means if there's a change on ngModel, run the callback in second param.

[14:41:12] <Elarcis> stennowork: in that case it'll equate to a callback returning $scope.ngModel

[14:42:05] <stennowork> right

[14:42:09] <stennowork> oh man

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[14:42:41] <Elarcis> stennowork: it's basically the backbone of all of AngularJS's change detection system

[14:43:04] <stennowork> so basically an observer over angular-js's properties

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[14:43:08] <Elarcis> stennowork: behind each template binding, each controller input and so on

[14:43:11] <stennowork> element properties

[14:43:12] <stennowork> right

[14:43:14] <stennowork> oh

[14:43:21] <stennowork> so it's even more than that

[14:43:43] <stennowork> yeah that sounds like something so basic that it shouldn't be used much

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[14:44:24] <Elarcis> stennowork: usually it's a bad idea to use it manually, because it adds computational overhead to your application, when you could use proper encapsulation/setters/events to only run the needed code once when needed, rather than constantly check whether it should be ran

[14:44:47] <stennowork> yes i was thinking about event binding too

[14:44:54] <stennowork> that seems much more straightforward

[14:45:12] <stennowork> so in my directive, i would have to bind on change in my .link function

[14:45:16] <Elarcis> stennowork: also, in components, you have a $onChanges() callback that's ran when a component's inputs are changed

[14:45:41] <Elarcis> stennowork: I'm not sure that you have that in a directive, but you could use $observe()

[14:46:09] <stennowork> this directive uses that to define it's own validators i _think_

[14:46:18] <stennowork> it's not really transparent for me yet, i will do some more reading

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[14:47:29] <stennowork> validation on input change, not on form submission

[14:47:42] <Elarcis> stennowork: it may not be possible or complicated, but once you figure out what it does, maybe you can consider turning it into a component for easier maintenance

[14:47:59] <Elarcis> stennowork: (as long as it doesn't directly works with the DOM it should be feasible)

[14:48:29] <stennowork> well it will work with the DOM - or rather it's state of the input as reflected in ngModel

[14:48:54] <stennowork> i will look into components too

[14:49:21] <Elarcis> stennowork: if it requires ngModel's controller, you can't turn that part into a component

[14:49:34] <Elarcis> stennowork: afaik only directives can inject other directives controllers

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[14:49:40] <OlDirtyTowel> Hello guys, Im trying to set up a modal to display information about a row from my table. But I can't find any tuto about how to do that. I need that, when I click a row, I get the object's properties from the row I just clicked, so that I can then pass it to the modal to display it, any idea?

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[14:49:50] <stennowork> ahh component looks like i want

[14:49:59] <stennowork> thanks for pointing it out to me, Elarcis

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[14:50:43] <Elarcis> stennowork: usually, the way is to isolate dom (and ctrl-requiring) behavior in a generic directive, and rely on it through a DOM-agnostic component

[14:51:30] <Elarcis> OlDirtyTowel: Angular, AngularJS?, are you repeating your stuff through a ngFor?

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[14:52:30] <Elarcis> OlDirtyTowel: are you using a framework like bootstrap for your modals?

[14:52:30] <OlDirtyTowel> Elarcis : Yeah Angular 6 sorry. I am indeed using ngFor* for that table yes

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[14:53:37] <OlDirtyTowel> Elarcis : Right now I don't, it's just to print a few info (Id, status...) about the object, but I can use bootstrap if that would make it easier

[14:53:41] <Elarcis> OlDirtyTowel: this seems like a variant of the master-detail sample from the official tutorial. You can basically pass your repeated item to a callback on a click event

[14:53:46] <Elarcis> OlDirtyTowel: https://angular.io/tutorial/toh-pt3

[14:54:27] <Elarcis> OlDirtyTowel: modals aren't native to browsers, so you're going to have some code to show a modal. I suggest avoiding bootstrap.

[14:55:26] <OlDirtyTowel> Elarcis : I'll look into this, thanks. Yes right now I have everything set up for the modal to display, but I still have mock data in it. I need to replace it with data from the table/ngFor now

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[14:56:45] <Elarcis> OlDirtyTowel: yeah, it all depends on how you have to call your modals, and it's never quite easy to nail down on first try

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[14:58:53] <Elarcis> OlDirtyTowel: sadly I don't consider myself an expert on modals. I usually do a plain "modal" component that uses projection to position and style what I put in it

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[14:59:19] <Elarcis> OlDirtyTowel: it works fairly well, but once you have advanced CSS needs, it's pretty easy to fuck it up

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[15:02:26] <OlDirtyTowel> Elarcis : It's really basic I think. The modals open via a button "details", and prints the details. No advanced CSS will be needed also

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[15:03:13] <Elarcis> OlDirtyTowel: what browsers are you required to support?

[15:04:27] <OlDirtyTowel> Elarcis : Good question, I'd say all. Is there any problem with one of them for modals? IE I guess? haha

[15:04:55] <Elarcis> OlDirtyTowel: oof, all is a pain indeed

[15:05:05] <JeyJH> Hey again mate

[15:05:13] <JeyJH> i think i did smt wrong

[15:05:17] <JeyJH> here is pseudo code https://angular-irc-starter-mdolvk.stackblitz.io

[15:05:19] <Elarcis> OlDirtyTowel: that being said, you're limited to the browsers supported by Angular 6

[15:05:45] <JeyJH> i did the catchError on the 2 service call and returning EMPTY

[15:06:25] <Elarcis> JeyJH: for some reason I can't oben stackblitz today

[15:06:39] <JeyJH> can put it on plunkr or whatever

[15:07:13] <Elarcis> JeyJH: no, it was just your lin

[15:07:28] <JeyJH> oj yea

[15:07:29] <JeyJH> xD

[15:07:37] <Elarcis> JeyJH: if you're sending us a non-working SB, please use a link to the editor, because just running the app won't do much

[15:08:57] <JeyJH> https://stackblitz.com/edit/angular-irc-starter-d5bc6k

[15:09:03] <JeyJH> should be good now

[15:09:57] <OlDirtyTowel> Elarcis : So, from the example, I'm understanding the ngIf should do the job? Because it is still undefined in my case. Maybe come from elsewhere

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[15:10:58] <OlDirtyTowel> Elarcis: The thing is, if I use ngFor in the modal, I can display the data from all rows in my table. But I can't figure out how to make it for only one

[15:11:30] <Elarcis> JeyJH: if that's how you're using forkjoin, you're using it wrong https://www.learnrxjs.io/operators/combination/forkjoin.html

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[15:12:07] <Elarcis> JeyJH: you're putting brackets while you shouldn't be

[15:12:42] <Elarcis> OlDirtyTowel: I thought the ngFor was outside your modal

[15:13:13] <Elarcis> OlDirtyTowel: and that clicking a repeated element opened a modal?

[15:13:28] <OlDirtyTowel> Elarcis : Yes it is. But if I try to put it ALSO in the modal, i can display data from all rows of the table, in a modal about only one row of the modal

[15:13:43] <JeyJH> @Elarcis from the link you send me isn't it the example 5 ?

[15:13:54] <Elarcis> OlDirtyTowel: then don't put it in it? XD

[15:14:32] <OlDirtyTowel> Elarcis : Well when I put it in, it """"works""""" (the data are retrieved from the main page), but with NgIf, nothing displays

[15:14:33] <Elarcis> JeyJH: it isn't, look closely

[15:15:25] <JeyJH> damn cause of the array?

[15:15:33] <Elarcis> OlDirtyTowel: at this point, I can't remote-guess what's wrong with code I can't see

[15:15:41] <Elarcis> JeyJH: likely

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[15:16:09] <Elarcis> JeyJH: since you're also not using a catchError, I don't think your code will work even without the []c

[15:16:29] <Elarcis> JeyJH: (if a call fails, ofc)

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[15:17:33] <Elarcis> OlDirtyTowel: if you want to experiment a custom modal system on stackblitz.io and play with a dummy ngFor to see how it could look, we may be able to better help you

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[15:18:54] <JeyJH> i'll modify the sb

[15:21:58] <Elarcis> OlDirtyTowel: (plus you'd benefit from having a fairly blank playground and not be distracted by the rest of your app)

[15:22:41] <XsiSec> Evening guys

[15:22:44] <JeyJH> i updated the SN

[15:22:45] <JeyJH> SB

[15:22:49] <Elarcis> JeyJH: if you could use dummy code that works, it'd be great

[15:23:06] <JeyJH> same link i think i pasted the service call down the SB so you can see the catchError

[15:23:09] <Elarcis> JeyJH: like real observables that return dummy data, or that you code to manually fail

[15:23:39] <Elarcis> JeyJH: (also please format your code, this is awful to read)

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[15:25:33] <JeyJH> Dont know how can i format it more than it is mate oO

[15:25:48] <JeyJH> i'll try to do a dummy obs

[15:26:05] <Elarcis> JeyJH: really?

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[15:26:23] <JeyJH> For me it's formatted as well as in my Idea

[15:26:33] <JeyJH> IDE*

[15:26:57] <OlDirtyTowel> SB doesn't work on my network I guess, it doesn't display anything

[15:27:40] <Elarcis> JeyJH: not to sound rude, but how do you expect me to feel when I see that? https://screenshots.firefox.com/qECbZgVRRMv220Ib/stackblitz.com

[15:27:40] <XsiSec> Have anyone anytime wrote a form that send's an email?  I really looking for a good example though I tried some stuff

[15:27:51] <JeyJH> Lol

[15:27:54] <JeyJH> i dont have it at all

[15:28:19] <JeyJH> maybe extend your window oO

[15:28:41] <Elarcis> XsiSec: super-super-broad question. A client-side form asks the data, but then it all depends on back-end stuff that's out of topic

[15:29:39] <XsiSec> Elarcis,hmm  I already made the form though I really need to write the send function :/

[15:30:04] <Pyrrhus666> XsiSec, sending mail is not an angular affair though. it´s server-side

[15:30:44] <XsiSec> Pyrrhus666, I got that thanks but where to start? :S

[15:30:54] <JeyJH> @Elarcis that what i see http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2019/02/2/1546957829-elarcise.png

[15:31:00] <trampi> XsiSec: which backend are you using?

[15:31:07] <JeyJH> that why I was asking how to indent pls

[15:31:41] <XsiSec> trampi, what do you mean with which backend :S sorry I am newbie haha

[15:32:05] <trampi> XsiSec: no problem :-) do you have a server except 'ng serve'? something like nodejs?

[15:32:22] <trampi> or are you programming 'frontend-only' / angular-only?

[15:32:23] <XsiSec> trampi, I am only currently is using ng serve

[15:32:40] <Elarcis> JeyJH: just for some example, this is what a prettier-like format gives https://screenshots.firefox.com/Ut2xxOMqVy9utJBV/stackblitz.com

[15:33:04] <Elarcis> JeyJH: call it a personal preference, but I find it much much more readable

[15:34:19] <Elarcis> JeyJH: but as I said, that is just non-working, dumped code outside your component's class, for all I know it doesn't even compile for you. I can't help you with it

[15:34:56] <Elarcis> XsiSec: you can't send an e-mail from your browser, that's the role of your server-side code

[15:35:17] <Elarcis> XsiSec: (or use gapi to send an e-mail via gmail, but it's still not your browser sending the e-mail)

[15:35:23] <trampi> ahh, I see. You will need to have a backend to send E-Mails. Maybe some API exists, but I have only used  own servers.

[15:35:50] <JeyJH> yeah but i don't know how to do fake Rest call inside an obs to provide you the example

[15:35:51] <stennowork> what backend framework?

[15:35:55] <XsiSec> Elarcis, Oh ok  thanks. but anyway anyhow how would you solve this? I have made a form on my site where people are suppost to send mail to me from

[15:36:03] <Elarcis> JeyJH: don't fake rest calls, just return literal objects

[15:36:10] <Elarcis> JeyJH: that is what matters

[15:36:12] <SuperTyp_> bros

[15:36:16] <SuperTyp_> when you read this article

[15:36:16] <SuperTyp_> https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbestechcouncil/2017/04/07/how-to-choose-a-front-end-framework/#11341b2bb933

[15:36:30] <SuperTyp_> under productivity they are mentioning the ember routing

[15:36:31] <stennowork> does it say "step 1: choose react"

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[15:36:48] <SuperTyp_> and that ember is "highly opinionated" would you say thats the same for angular?

[15:36:48] <Elarcis> XsiSec: using a PHP backend? A Node one? An ASP.NET one? There are as many answers as there are frameworks you can use

[15:37:10] <Elarcis> SuperTyp_: it is

[15:37:18] <Pyrrhus666> SuperTyp_, yes

[15:37:31] <JeyJH> I mean the working case work in my code

[15:37:35] <XsiSec> Elarcis, together with angular Elarcis ?

[15:37:46] <SuperTyp_> thx :)

[15:37:55] <JeyJH> i mean when i call the 2 service and everything i'm waiting the end of it and after doing what i have to

[15:38:03] <XsiSec> 64054195

[15:38:03] <JeyJH> the problem is when one of them fail

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[15:38:42] <stennowork> a frontend framework MUST be backend-agnostic imo

[15:39:05] <trampi> JeyJH: have you piped to catchError?

[15:39:16] <stennowork> and by that i mean sending and receiving of data must be totally up to the FE dev

[15:39:41] <SargoDarya> Completely agree on that stennowork

[15:39:57] <SargoDarya> You're free to pick a lib for that though

[15:40:02] <JeyJH> check my SB trampi it's not working but i pasted most of my code

[15:40:04] <Elarcis> XsiSec: ?

[15:40:07] <stennowork> sure i guess

[15:40:13] <XsiSec> haha sorry for an unclear question Elarcis

[15:40:18] * stennowork just uses a few thin wrappers he wrote around fetch

[15:40:53] <XsiSec> Elarcis, I thinking of try php hmm I know I am asking for to much but do you got a good example?

[15:41:26] <stennowork> i'd recommend node instead of php

[15:41:28] <XsiSec> I was looking at Elarcis --> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/42515409/angular-2-how-to-send-mail-php

[15:41:32] <stennowork> php is ... old-fashioned

[15:41:37] <Elarcis> XsiSec: but why PHP?

[15:41:38] <XsiSec> Ok ok thanks stennowork

[15:41:45] <Pyrrhus666> so is unix, still works fine :P

[15:41:55] <stennowork> yes, but unix was made with a clear concept

[15:42:00] <XsiSec> Elarcis, I got some knowledge in php thats why lol

[15:42:00] <stennowork> also gnu is not unix :P

[15:42:08] <Pyrrhus666> server side javasscript... stuff of nightmares :P

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[15:42:14] <stennowork> no, it's really good

[15:42:30] <Pyrrhus666> no it´s not. <-- opinion :P

[15:42:33] <Elarcis> "archaic" is a better term to describe PHP

[15:42:35] <Elarcis> much like C.

[15:42:57] <stennowork> asp.net webapi with C# is really nice

[15:42:57] * Elarcis covered themselves behind a disk

[15:43:08] * Elarcis meant a desk. He covered himself behind a desk

[15:43:13] <stennowork> but you need an IDE and stuff is not as transparent

[15:43:16] <stennowork> imo

[15:43:23] <stennowork> but C# and webapi is cool

[15:43:26] <Pyrrhus666> C# is nice. dunno about any asp stuff

[15:43:29] <Elarcis> stennowork: vscode is quite nice for C# I've found

[15:43:33] <XsiSec> I was looking on this thread https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4113701/sending-emails-in-node-js hmm what is your opinon?

[15:43:33] <trampi> JeyJH: the problem seems to me that your erroring handling code in lireAlertes is returning EMPTY. however, you pipe it then through       `this.nombreAlertesEtNotifications += listeAlertes.length;` where listeAlertes is EMPTY. What have you defined EMPTY to be?

[15:44:06] <Elarcis> XsiSec: if you're looking for a consensus, you may come back in a few decades :P

[15:44:06] <stennowork> Elarcis, is vscode "enough"? i felt that you needed a full-fledged visual studio for that - but maybe times have changed

[15:44:27] <XsiSec> Hahaa ok Elarcis

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[15:44:41] <stennowork> when i programmed it back in the days, visual studio was basically a requirement (which points to some problems in the build process)

[15:44:52] <Elarcis> stennowork: good auto-completion and error reporting, tbh I don't like the tendency of IDEs to add clutter, hide files and do stuff behind my back

[15:45:17] <stennowork> i agree but i wouldn't have an idea how to compile C# and link to .NET from console :D

[15:45:21] <JeyJH> Empty is a const from rxjs  export const EMPTY = new Observable<never>(subscriber => subscriber.complete());

[15:45:25] <Elarcis> stennowork: agreed vscode lacks some refactoring features, though it's more omnisharp that's a limitation rather than vscode

[15:45:38] <Elarcis> stennowork: dotnet build

[15:45:53] <Elarcis> stennowork: (.NET Core)

[15:45:53] <stennowork> aah neat

[15:46:02] <stennowork> yes .NET core is past my time already :)

[15:46:04] <trampi> JeyJH: ahh, sorry, ofcourse.

[15:46:28] <JeyJH> thought it should work with this

[15:46:31] <Elarcis> XsiSec: anyway, sending e-mail is quite a complicated matter already

[15:47:03] <XsiSec> yeah I am following an tutorial now where they using nodejs with sendgrid I met it on google several times I give it a shot

[15:47:53] <stennowork> Elarcis, a bit unrelated, i am really intrigued by F#, maybe i should look at that at some point

[15:50:31] <Elarcis> stennowork: not really moved by F# tbh, these days I'm more into learning Rust

[15:51:04] <stennowork> yeah rust is probably more popular

[15:52:03] <stennowork> better? idk

[15:52:16] <stennowork> mostly i want to learn a language which incorporates FP paradigms

[15:52:23] <Pyrrhus666> haskell ?

[15:52:32] <stennowork> yeah but haskell is a bit old-fashioned

[15:52:48] <Pyrrhus666> that is not a classification I really care about ;)

[15:53:04] <stennowork> i looked into erlang a very long time ago but i didn't understand shit because i didn't know anything about FP lol

[15:53:20] <stennowork> but erlang has some amazing features but it's .. well.. also pretty old-fashioned

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[15:53:30] <stennowork> i think elixir is a more modern approach to erlang

[15:53:38] <Pyrrhus666> erlang is from 1986 :P

[15:53:45] <stennowork> yep

[15:53:54] <stennowork> not as old as python(?) but still

[15:54:01] <stennowork> somehow python really aged well

[15:54:15] <Pyrrhus666> python should never have been, if only for the whitespace thing

[15:54:18] <stennowork> oh python was 1990, my bad

[15:54:34] <stennowork> python was the first scripting language i learned and i was blown away

[15:54:43] <stennowork> but then i learned ruby and never looked back to python

[15:54:57] <stennowork> and now i learned javascript and realized that ruby isn't as good

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[15:55:47] <stennowork> ruby gave me a good idea about why metaprogramming can be terrible

[15:55:51] <Elarcis> stennowork: Rust isn't purely functional agreed, but I really like how it works and makes you think

[15:56:13] <SargoDarya> I definitely need to learn more languages

[15:56:14] <stennowork> rust is probably the most sensible language to look into

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[15:57:43] <stennowork> hmm safe concurrency as a main feature of rust

[15:57:43] <Elarcis> stennowork: I mean tbh the lack of null would be a major selling point by itself, but the rest of memory safety is absolutely lovable

[15:57:51] <stennowork> right

[15:58:13] <stennowork> oh brendan eich had his fingers in this

[15:58:59] <Pyrrhus666> damn, so it´s contaminated with js ? bummer :P

[15:59:12] <stennowork> please, why the js hate

[15:59:21] <XsiSec> thanks so far for all good answers :)

[15:59:54] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: don't we say that robbers make the best cops?

[16:00:09] <Pyrrhus666> Elarcis, true.

[16:00:17] <stennowork> :v

[16:02:07] <Elarcis> stennowork: I find pattern matching delightful, the type and trait system is a great alternative to OOP afaic, and the std has so many helpers to convert between frequent types that most workflows can be written in a functional-like syntax with relatively little digging around the docs

[16:02:44] <Elarcis> stennowork: speaking of docs, I love the doc generator integrated to the package manager, the fact that markdown is natively handled in doc comments, as well as examples-as-unit-tests

[16:03:03] <Elarcis> I mean it's a bunch of great ideas elegantly put together

[16:04:30] <Elarcis> not mentioning the compiler giving mostly-clear error messages and fix suggestions, even when dealing with "complicated" concepts like lifetimes

[16:04:57] <JeyJH> @trampi Maybe should i try to add some error callback on the method with the pipe(map())

[16:05:10] <Elarcis> I fell in love, most major setback imho is the lack of maturity for anything outside console.

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[16:13:48] <Pyrrhus666> GUIs are for weenies :P

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[16:15:08] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: well, it's not that mature for web either

[16:15:20] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: though I've read that it compiles fairly easily to wasm

[16:15:21] <Pyrrhus666> still GUI. cli is king :P

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[16:19:33] <trampi> JeyJH: yes. Everything piped after the catchError has to handle EMPTY

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[16:21:09] <Elarcis> JeyJH: it is recommended that catchError either returns a default value so that the rest of the observable can continue, or to rethrow the error for a later high-level catchError

[16:23:31] <ray02> hey little ot: does some one has ever take course over here? https://frontendmasters.com/

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[16:28:01] <Pyrrhus666> heard of them, never did anything

[16:29:14] <ray02> ok

[16:29:50] <JeyJH> Thanks everybody i'll keep on trying to get it work !

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[16:40:43] <stennowork> pattern matching is nice

[16:41:44] <ray02>  Pyrrhus666 that's because you are already a master :p

[16:42:04] <Pyrrhus666> ray02, thx, but not at all those modern things though :P

[16:42:08] <stennowork> i never took a course in my life

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[16:42:10] <Pyrrhus666> OT : Ken Thompson has an automobile which he helped design. Unlike most automobiles, it has neither speedometer, nor gas gauge, nor any of the numerous idiot lights which plague the modern driver. Rather, if the driver makes any mistake, a giant “?” lights up in the center of the dashboard. “The experienced driver”, he says, “will usually know what’s wrong.”

[16:43:50] <stennowork> inspired by ed

[16:44:05] <ray02> stennowork: so you came out from your mother with already knowledge?

[16:44:11] <Pyrrhus666> (for the uninitiated, ken thompson was one of the unix pioneers. at that time unix was very basic and displayed a ? if there was an error)

[16:44:11] <ray02> :p

[16:45:07] <stennowork> ray02, no, but i acquired knowledge not by applying to courses, but by reading tutorials, docs, sometimes source code and also learning how to ask questions the right way

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[16:45:29] <Pyrrhus666> and above all : tinkering with actual code

[16:45:36] <stennowork> yeah of course

[16:45:42] <stennowork> having an idea what you want to do

[16:45:50] <stennowork> and then just try it and see

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[16:46:03] <ray02> yeah i understand, i have to say that also for me has been like this till now

[16:46:08] <stennowork> Pyrrhus666, i had to think about https://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed-msg.html

[16:46:27] <ray02> but there is a course from an artist that i really love

[16:46:41] <stennowork> the question is, do i want a "?" as error message or rather a c++ template error message

[16:46:49] <stennowork> i mean for both the information is about the same

[16:46:57] <ray02> and i feel this could be a good idea to support his operate

[16:47:02] <Elarcis> "I like that you're explaining theory to me, but we don't have the time to do what you suggest" -- colleague on the topic of not doing throw System.Exception() and catch(System.Exception ex) { }

[16:47:07] <Elarcis> give me a gun

[16:47:14] <Pyrrhus666> stennowork, I know _of_ ed, but never did anything remotely useful with it :)

[16:47:20] <stennowork> same

[16:47:25] * stennowork braces for flamewar

[16:47:33] <stennowork> i preferred vim anyway..

[16:47:48] <Pyrrhus666> at least I know how to get vi out of ed mode if I accidentally get in it

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[16:48:06] <ray02> Elarcis all my support to you and to that shitty situation

[16:48:18] <stennowork> you know what they say about emacs, it's a nice OS, but it lacks a decent editor

[16:48:45] <Pyrrhus666> hehe :)

[16:48:46] <Elarcis> everything is that project is "yes theory is nice, but we don't have time to apply basic cleanliness"

[16:49:03] <Pyrrhus666> sounds like every project ever ?

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[16:49:12] <Elarcis> luckily there's a great team cohesion and ambiance, so I'm not in that dire straits

[16:49:37] <ray02> Elarcis at least that

[16:50:46] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: there's a difference between "it's a mess" and "yeah just do fuck because lack of time but later complain about 'yeah we were inexperienced back then, not going to fix it now'"

[16:51:18] <Pyrrhus666> Elarcis, agreeed

[16:51:37] <Elarcis> because if there's something that should be known by every dev in existence, is that there is NEVER time to "make it better later"

[16:52:27] <Elarcis> virtually ZERO customer is interested in paying devs to clean up what is working, and when you have to clean up something to make it work, there goes the suicidal thoughts

[16:52:57] <Elarcis> easy answer: don't assume you don't have time, take the time and make it right NOW

[16:53:05] <Pyrrhus666> the bane of our existence, customers...

[16:53:18] <Pyrrhus666> off in a bit. see y´all tomorroew

[16:53:28] <Elarcis> bye Pyrrhus666

[16:53:53] * Pyrrhus666 bows while retreating backwards

[16:53:56] <Pyrrhus666> my liege

[16:53:59] <SargoDarya> o/

[16:56:14] <ray02> bye bye Pyrrhus666

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[16:56:50] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: you'll likely be knighted one day

[16:57:08] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: (meaning you'll receive a knight in the face)

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[17:06:03] <SargoDarya> Elarcis: Almost as good as the You are being monitored sticker

[17:06:53] <stennowork> regarding basic theory, i am currently trying to convince my coworkers that handling currency as floats is not a good idea

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[17:08:32] <SargoDarya> stennowork: If they don't get it just ask them to sum up 0.1 cent and 0.2 cent

[17:08:42] <stennowork> yeah..

[17:08:57] <stennowork> or rather 0.1 euro and 0.2 euro but yeah

[17:09:14] <SargoDarya> stennowork: https://twitter.com/nixcraft/status/857304884122533888

[17:09:27] <stennowork> hehe

[17:09:49] <stennowork> best is when people then complain that "its a bug in programming language xy!!!"

[17:09:57] <stennowork> (where xy is usually javascript)

[17:10:06] <SargoDarya> It literally is everywhere

[17:10:15] <stennowork> it is actually literally everywhere

[17:10:24] <stennowork> php hides it because they format their output in a certain way

[17:10:32] <stennowork> but of course it's still there underlying

[17:10:38] <stennowork> but it confuses the noobs

[17:11:14] <SargoDarya> There's literally a website dedicated to this: https://floating-point-gui.de/

[17:11:30] <stennowork> aah nice

[17:11:40] <stennowork> i usually point to a python page answering it

[17:12:02] <stennowork> because people respect python more than js ("it's in python too? then it  cannot be a bug")=

[17:12:24] <stennowork> https://docs.python.org/2/tutorial/floatingpoint.html this one

[17:12:48] <SargoDarya> That one's nice as well.

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[17:17:46] <stennowork> i really like using decimal 1/3 to explain why we have can't have 0.1 in binary

[17:18:08] <stennowork> brings it to the point quickly and avoids silly follow up discussions

[17:23:21] <Elarcis> I still haven't wrapped my head around how the significand is stored in bit format

[17:24:17] <Elarcis> I get that 000000000000...0001 is like 2^-52, but _why_?

[17:27:46] <OlDirtyTowel> Hey, I'm trying to display several colors according to a variable value. Like, if its one, I display a green square, 2, a red square etc... until 4 (there is 4 cases). Is it with NgIf or there is a better way?

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[17:28:59] <stennowork> Elarcis, significant is always an integer, and 64bit is defined as having 53 bits significant and the rest exponent

[17:35:48] <ray02> so sorry for the nood question, how do you handle currency value?

[17:35:53] <ray02> *noob

[17:36:45] <stennowork> ray02, with integers :)

[17:36:55] <stennowork> Elarcis, maybe this helps? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a9/IEEE_754_Double_Floating_Point_Format.svg/927px-IEEE_754_Double_Floating_Point_Format.svg.png

[17:37:01] <stennowork> > .svg.png

[17:37:03] <stennowork> nice

[17:37:27] <stennowork> ray02, so 2.35 euro become 235 cent

[17:37:43] <stennowork> ray02, and you only transform it to 2.35 for display only

[17:38:15] <stennowork> so 0.1 + 0.2 becomes 10 + 20

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[17:39:08] <ray02> ahh saexy

[17:39:12] <ray02> sexy

[17:39:31] <ray02> (still not get use to the french keyboard)

[17:39:48] <Elarcis> stennowork: no it doesn't, I had already googled my question :P

[17:39:49] <stennowork> you always want to use the "lowest" value of the currency as your base value

[17:40:02] <ray02> ah ok

[17:40:08] <stennowork> Elarcis, the wiki article has a formula after this diagram

[17:40:11] <ray02> good to know

[17:40:16] <stennowork> https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/61345d47f069d645947b9c0ab676c75551f1b188

[17:40:34] <ray02> thanks stennowork

[17:40:48] <stennowork> np, but yeah, it's really good to know :)

[17:41:49] <ray02> is something that till now never need it but hey in two seconds you will looklike the smarth guy of the room :p

[17:42:13] <stennowork> you will need it as soon as you deal with currencies :)

[17:42:47] <Elarcis> stennowork: yes but then I don't get how 1.000...001 somehow turns into 1+2^-52

[17:44:46] <stennowork> Elarcis, it should be 2^(-1022)

[17:45:09] <Elarcis> stennowork: I'm talking about the significand

[17:45:25] <stennowork> the significant is 1

[17:45:46] <stennowork> 1 * 2^(-1022) in the case of 000001

[17:45:48] <Elarcis> stennowork: no, in 1.000...001 the significand obviously isn't 1

[17:46:25] <Elarcis> stennowork: take 0 01111111111 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001

[17:47:21] <Elarcis> it's a positive, exponent 2^0 (thus 1), significand 1+2^-52, and I'm not sure to get why the -52 part

[17:47:33] <stennowork> aah

[17:47:48] <stennowork> so if you have 0.125 in decimal

[17:48:10] <stennowork> in binary, thats 0.001

[17:49:31] <stennowork> 0 * 1/(2^1) + 0 * 1/(2^2) + 1 * 1/(2^3)

[17:49:46] <stennowork> so significant 000000....1 is

[17:50:31] <stennowork> 0 * 1/(2^1) + 0 * 1/(2^2) + 0 * 1/(2^3) + ... + 1 * 1/(2^52)

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[17:51:11] <stennowork> as significant here is always 1 + (the binary)

[17:51:22] <stennowork> we end up with 1 + 2^-52

[17:51:34] <Elarcis> I... think that makes sense somehow

[17:52:02] <stennowork> the confusing thing is that you have to do the binary -> decimal thing backwards

[17:52:25] <stennowork> 1101 is 13, but 1101.1101 is NOT 13.13

[17:53:01] <stennowork> its 13 + 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/16

[17:54:31] <Elarcis> pretty much like 10.125 is 1x10^1 + 1/10^1 + 2/10^2 + 5/10^3

[17:55:02] <stennowork>  1x10^1 + 1/10^-1 + 2/10^-2 + 5/10^-3

[17:55:16] <stennowork> err

[17:55:21] <stennowork> yes, sorry

[17:55:35] <Elarcis> stennowork: np, I did the same before correcting myself

[17:55:38] <Elarcis> :P

[17:57:32] <stennowork> i go home now, happy hacking

[17:58:08] <ray02> have a nice evening stennowork

[17:58:17] <stennowork> au revoir

[18:01:12] <Elarcis> stennowork: bye

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[18:09:12] <Elarcis> so if I got it right, 13.13 would be something like 1101.0010001 100010001... and so on?

[18:10:35] <Elarcis> sorry, 1101.00100010100010001

[18:10:50] <Elarcis> ll this was educative

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[18:13:23] <ray02> you can say that also today you have learned something

[18:13:25] <ray02> :)

[18:20:36] <Elarcis> ray02: indeed

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[18:38:45] <ray02> Elarcis do you work till late usally?

[18:38:49] <ray02> usually

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[18:58:55] <seu_barriga> hello

[18:59:21] <seu_barriga> could someone please help me understand why this route doesn't work?

[18:59:34] <seu_barriga> { path: 'boards/board/**/chat/:title', loadChildren: './page/board-chat/board-chat.module#BoardChatPageModule' },

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[21:33:19] <trampi> gn8 everyone

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[21:45:21] <Siecje> I've moved testing into a docker container. I'm getting webdriver issues even thought the version of chrome and webdriver are the same https://dpaste.de/kBhx

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