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[01:06:37] <Jhon> just wanna ask of what to do first before the proper coding using angular JS?
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[01:31:18] <Jhon> hey
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[04:06:25] <WhatTheDilly> FU $digest already in progress!
[04:07:07] <WhatTheDilly> and i love that theres 3 options
[04:07:11] <WhatTheDilly> and everybody is like "don't do this"
[04:12:13] <WhatTheDilly> lol wow and now angular just "broke" lol
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[06:50:10] <nazrul> how r u all?
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[06:56:49] <ngWalrus> Angular gives youall the right tools to fuck up
[06:57:22] <WhatTheDilly> lol
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[08:35:50] <luukth> Elarcis I think I already fixed the problem. I needed to call the masonry function when a new image loads in. Thnx for sharing the article with me.
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[08:50:47] <Elarcis> Hiii!
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[08:53:12] <akagetsu01> @Elarcis hi.
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[08:53:22] <Elarcis> Hi icebox! Hi uru|away!
[08:53:25] <Elarcis> akagetsu01: hi
[08:53:41] <akagetsu01> what is up?
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[09:02:41] <Elarcis> akagetsu01: clouds. I like clouds, and they are up.*
[09:04:07] <akagetsu01> correct. :)
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[09:10:39] <icebox> Elarcis: hey
[09:10:43] <icebox> Pyrrhus666: hey
[09:10:47] <Elarcis> hey
[09:11:28] <Pyrrhus666> good moring icebox Elarcis and others :)
[09:13:49] <Elarcis> let's all talk about dynamic object keys in ES6, because it's a fun subject
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[09:14:44] <icebox> Elarcis: computed keys :)
[09:14:56] <Elarcis> icebox: yeah, right
[09:15:11] <icebox> yep... they are nice
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[09:16:10] <Pyrrhus666> well that was a short discussion :)
[09:16:34] <icebox> but as we saw, beginners are confused by bracket and dot notation... ("how to get id in this json?")... so I suppose it is intermediate topic
[09:16:36] <Elarcis> that's a wrap everybody, day is done, everybody goes home!
[09:16:53] <Elarcis> icebox: damn you!
[09:17:12] <Elarcis> icebox: I guess objects vs. arrays are a tricky topic for beginners
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[09:18:16] <Elarcis> icebox: couldn't blame them, when speaking of languages with that specific object definition syntax, I only know of JS
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[09:19:02] <Elarcis> icebox: although C# has a quite close syntax with initializers :D
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[09:19:54] <icebox> var prop = "bar"; var o = {foo: 42, [prop]: 42}; console.log(o.foo === o["foo"]); console.log(o.foo === o.bar); // true, true
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[09:21:00] <icebox> Elarcis: why did you touch this topic? any use case?
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[09:21:49] <Elarcis> icebox: defining an object's keys based on a TS enum
[09:21:55] <icebox> ah yes
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[09:22:48] <Elarcis> Excellent!
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[09:38:49] <KungFury69> Hello, first time here
[09:39:03] <KungFury69> Are questions allowed?
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[09:41:18] <Pyrrhus666> KungFury69, yes, they are ;)
[09:41:39] <KungFury69> Great, thanks
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[09:42:40] <KungFury69> Learning angular this week and want to level my JS too
[09:42:56] <KungFury69> level up
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[09:43:23] <KungFury69> Just wondering if I should use Typescript or ES6?
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[09:43:45] <icebox> KungFury69: both
[09:43:59] <icebox> KungFury69: ts is js :)
[09:44:16] <KungFury69> Okay, so study up on both
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[09:45:04] <KungFury69> Thanks
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[09:55:06] <Elarcis> KungFury69: Personal feedback, I come from a C#/OOP/strongly typed world, and I like Typescript a lot. Even when doing plain JS, the engine underlines lots of errors I wouldn't see otherwise
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[09:56:01] <Elarcis> KungFury69: in the most basic cases, you can just use Typescript as a JS linter, and you'll get better assistance than what a lot of tools propose :D
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[09:56:45] <Elarcis> KungFury69: also, Typescript "contains" ES6, so indeed you should learn both :D
[09:57:24] <KungFury69> I briefly looked into ES6 a while back and liked what I saw
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[09:58:18] <KungFury69> Just was not sure if it was better to focus on one for now while I learned angular 2
[09:58:20] <arlekin> yo guys
[09:58:37] <KungFury69> I will study both
[09:58:43] <KungFury69> thanks again
[09:58:54] <arlekin> i came here today solely so icebox would have a chance to express his pride in me
[09:59:21] <icebox> arlekin: :P
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[09:59:26] <arlekin> icebox: cuz you gotta know my friend, i just added a plugin to my webpack conf and configured it all by myself
[09:59:30] <arlekin> and it works :D
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[09:59:47] <arlekin> namely the html-webpack-plugin
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[10:00:08] <arlekin> im so pleased with myself right now... ;]
[10:00:13] <icebox> arlekin: cool!
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[10:00:49] <Elarcis> arlekin: sweet!
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[10:00:58] <icebox> arlekin: webpack master!
[10:01:06] <Elarcis> arlekin: is this the plugin that automatically puts the entries in a HTML file?
[10:01:15] <arlekin> icebox: now, now, don't be sarcastic
[10:01:17] <arlekin> Elarcis: thats the one
[10:01:30] <Elarcis> arlekin: nice! wasn't sure if it wasn't the HTML loader
[10:02:03] <Elarcis> arlekin: now import the webpack typings and configure it in Typescript for the awesomeness of it!
[10:02:22] <arlekin> granted my success stems solely from very decent readme/docs of the plugin, but still
[10:02:32] <arlekin> Elarcis: im too stupid for typescript
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[10:02:48] <icebox> arlekin: not intentional
[10:02:48] <Elarcis> arlekin: come on now, you configured webpack
[10:02:51] <arlekin> i have hard time managing abstraction levels without additional language on top of js
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[10:03:03] <arlekin> icebox: good docs not intentional ?
[10:03:11] <arlekin> icebox: that would be good joke actually
[10:03:16] <icebox> arlekin: not intentional to be sarcastic
[10:03:31] <arlekin> Elarcis: nah, i configured one plugin, rest of my conf is due to harrasing icebox ;P
[10:03:44] <icebox> if you configure webpack, you can be ready for rocket science
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[10:03:58] <icebox> arlekin: :P
[10:03:59] <arlekin> icebox: gotta get that SpaceX monies ;)
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[10:04:23] <icebox> in the weekend I commited the changes about webpack and ES2015...
[10:04:57] <arlekin> wanted to check something about webstorm, put "webpack" into google... force of new habit
[10:05:39] <Elarcis> icebox, arlekin: rocket science is easy: when in doubt, add more boosters
[10:05:55] <Elarcis> icebox: in the week-end?!
[10:05:58] <icebox> I did a workaround for a show stopper: techan, d3 and webpack didn't collaborate :) when you mix a global window object with a native imported object in webpack context... that is explosive
[10:05:59] <arlekin> Elarcis: given how spaceX operates you are actually not wrong
[10:06:04] <Elarcis> icebox: who are these people who work on a week-end?
[10:06:21] <arlekin> icebox: i literally didn't understand anything you said
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[10:06:29] <Elarcis> arlekin: me neither
[10:06:49] * Elarcis googles Techan
[10:06:54] <Elarcis> Of course it's financial stuff
[10:06:57] <Elarcis> :P
[10:07:12] <icebox> techan is a financial lib avalaible only as ES5; I imported d3 as ES2015; all packedwith webpack
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[10:08:15] <icebox> d3.event needs live bindings (aka you need to use import ES2015) feature, you can't use d3.event in ES2015 context
[10:09:24] <icebox> so I need to load techan as external lib, d3 as ES2015 module... setting window.d3 = d3 in webpack ProvidePlugin is not enough
[10:09:29] <Elarcis> damn
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[10:09:39] <icebox> tldr; it is a mess
[10:10:48] <arlekin> icebox: i barely understood the problem, cannot begin to imagine solving it
[10:10:48] <icebox> eventually, due to limit of techan, I need to load techan and d3 via scripts tags and exclude them in webpack
[10:10:58] <icebox> sigh
[10:11:33] <arlekin> icebox: i really wanna grok webpack, but the docs scare me off with their wall-of-text formula, and there isn't anything better out there AFAIK
[10:11:40] <icebox> I think in the last weeks I spent a few hours on webpack, rollup and systemjs... I think I know the diffs now :)
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[10:11:51] <arlekin> ehh... i guess i'd have to get over myself and read the whole thing
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[10:12:24] <arlekin> OT: is there more jobs in ng2 than react ?
[10:12:36] <icebox> at the moment webpack is the only bundler working with ES2015+ without transpilation
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[10:13:16] <arlekin> friend recently mentioned somehting like that... and im getting ready to switch jobs, and im kinda tired of angular 1, and not sure what to start there
[10:13:41] <icebox> arlekin: I think so... what or how?
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[10:15:08] <arlekin> what
[10:15:34] <icebox> "not sure what to start there"
[10:15:47] <icebox> what does it mean?
[10:15:57] <arlekin> icebox: no, i was answering your question whether what or how
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[10:16:06] <icebox> catch-22 :)
[10:16:14] <arlekin> icebox: im not sure where i'd want to go: react, ng2, vue
[10:16:15] <arlekin> etc
[10:16:23] <icebox> ah ok :)
[10:16:35] <arlekin> icebox: ng2 seems like a good and safe bet given my ng1 knowledge
[10:16:50] <icebox> I explored vue and it is nice
[10:16:57] <mtree> arlekin: in the end you'll be forced to learn all of them
[10:17:33] <icebox> arlekin: at the end of day, I think there are more pros than cons with angular
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[10:18:04] <icebox> arlekin: in the past days Pyrrhus666 and me talked about that
[10:18:22] <arlekin> icebox: but the sheer amount of boilerplate...
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[10:18:42] <Pyrrhus666> and I´m still not sure whether to go ng2 or vue
[10:20:18] <Pyrrhus666> the community for ng2 is a big plus, but that probably goes for react too.
[10:20:22] <icebox> arlekin: the so called boilerplate in angular is due to the complexity of the world... it is a very flexible framework trying to offer a solution to the main requirements of a frontend project, from small to to very large, in terms of performance, build workflow, team practices, architecture and so on
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[10:21:12] <Pyrrhus666> arlekin, ... which is overkill for 80% of apps out there,
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[10:21:41] <icebox> arlekin: with react, maybe you can achieve the same result, but it seems to me the old days of jquery, when you need to collect plugins everywhere
[10:22:19] <icebox> arlekin: vue is a framework between react and angular
[10:22:53] <icebox> indeed vue is very tempting
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[10:23:11] <Pyrrhus666> version hell is really a thing with react (my colleague uses it, and upgrading stuff can be a real pain)
[10:23:28] <icebox> Pyrrhus666: agreed...
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[10:24:34] <icebox> Pyrrhus666: I saw it in another realm... with webpack, based on plugins, it is a problem to use the correct version resolving your use case
[10:24:54] <icebox> Pyrrhus666: so I am glad angular offer a "complete" stack
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[10:25:25] <Pyrrhus666> icebox, but when you use webpack in an angular stack, you still might face that problem ?
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[10:26:02] <icebox> (with webpack I need to use extract-text-webpack-plugin 2.0.0-rc.3 vs. 1.0.1 and uglify-js harmony branch when I use native ES2015)
[10:26:43] <Pyrrhus666> icebox, this shit is inherent to any es/js/ts setup, it seems.
[10:26:52] <icebox> Pyrrhus666: in the past weekend I completed the task to introduce webpack with angularjs coded in ES2015
[10:27:03] <icebox> Pyrrhus666: agreed, that is the culprit
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[10:27:34] <icebox> Pyrrhus666: next step it is porting the app to angular...
[10:27:54] <icebox> (and angular material vs. angularjs material)
[10:27:54] <Pyrrhus666> so given the fact that webpack2 is the defacto solution, we have to accept that, at least ;)
[10:27:59] <icebox> yep
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[10:28:18] <mtree> what's wrong with webpack?
[10:29:24] <Pyrrhus666> mtree, that it depends on plugins that tend to have dependencies that might cause version conflicts.
[10:29:45] <arlekin> icebox: Pyrrhus666: thanks guys, you are no help at all 0.0"
[10:29:48] <mtree> hm, everything.. but webpack? Could you please provide me an example?
[10:29:52] <arlekin> now im evem more confused
[10:29:57] <icebox> mtree: talking about fragmentation in react ecosystem... we compared it with webpack, because it is based on plugins... and talking about the issue arising with es/js/ts setups
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[10:30:43] <Pyrrhus666> arlekin, you´re welcome ;) it wasn´t meant to clear things up, just to let you know we´re all facing this problem...
[10:30:44] <icebox> mtree: with webpack I need to use extract-text-webpack-plugin 2.0.0-rc.3 vs. 1.0.1 and uglify-js harmony branch when I use native ES2015
[10:31:10] <icebox> arlekin: I second Pyrrhus666 :) welcome :)
[10:32:28] <icebox> mtree: at the moment, generally speaking, the build workflow is quite coupled to transpilation step
[10:32:28] <arlekin> Pyrrhus666: good point
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[10:33:32] <icebox> mtree: if you use native ES2015+, without any transpilation, the tools go to suffer a bit :)
[10:33:34] <arlekin> i guess i'll just go with whatever company would hire me, and interest me, and i won't worry about used framework, i kinda don't care, in every case i'd need to learn something so...
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[10:33:51] <arlekin> i hardly think someone develops new software in ng1
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[10:34:11] <icebox> arlekin: ok.. the answer is angular... because it is a very good school :)
[10:34:43] <arlekin> icebox: not sure i understand
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[10:34:48] <icebox> arlekin: if you know angular, you can adapt your knowledge to another framework or lib
[10:34:57] <Pyrrhus666> arlekin, I think, wrt to carreer, that´s the spirit. just make sure you´ve seen and done things across the js/es/ts spectum
[10:35:02] <Pyrrhus666> *spectrum
[10:35:08] <arlekin> icebox: oh i see
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[10:35:24] <mtree> icebox: that's wrong assumption
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[10:35:29] <arlekin> icebox: just admit it, you don't want me to start hanging out on #reactjs instead of here ;P
[10:35:36] <icebox> mtree: assumption?
[10:35:43] <icebox> arlekin: :P
[10:35:46] <mtree> imagine experienced angular1 dev "adapting" his knowledge in a project written in react
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[10:36:16] <icebox> mtree: ah ok... about "school"... yep a bit stretched and opinionated... but I am sure you got the point
[10:36:27] <arlekin> mtree: i'd say it's more like: "if you suffered through learning angular, you are able to learn anything"
[10:36:31] <Pyrrhus666> arlekin, just do vue and hang out in #vuejs. they need more activity ;)
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[10:36:53] <arlekin> Pyrrhus666: they couldn't handle me :P
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[10:37:02] <icebox> mtree: arlekin asked about the next step... :) angular, react, vue and so on
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[10:37:57] <Pyrrhus666> arlekin, nah, they´re not so different from us in #angularjs, they´ll get used to you ;)
[10:38:06] <mtree> i think next step is mostly declared by the needs of his new job
[10:38:17] <arlekin> Pyrrhus666: well, took you long enough
[10:38:23] <mtree> angular, react, vue - these are only tools
[10:38:29] <icebox> mtree: indeed it is what they said
[10:38:30] <arlekin> mtree: that's the realization i came to too
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[10:38:38] <Kartagis> hello
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[10:39:07] <icebox> mtree: no... there are tools compelling to learn better the concepts, the language, the architecture and so on
[10:39:14] <Pyrrhus666> arlekin, what, to get used to you ? can´t remember, really, we´re both part of the furniture here...
[10:39:44] <arlekin> Pyrrhus666: good point xD
[10:40:01] <icebox> mtree: for instance, YUI was a great lib to learn js, where jquery do "only" the job
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[10:41:15] <icebox> mtree: the path you learn the things is important more than what you are learning
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[10:41:50] <icebox> mtree: but maybe we are saying the same thing... only with different highlights :)
[10:41:59] <SargoDarya> Hey fellas, short question regarding angular material and mdVirtualRepeat. I'm trying to use $index but it's all garbled up. Looks right at the beginning but as soon as I'm scrolling the indices are completely mixed.
[10:42:26] <icebox> SargoDarya: there is an official example
[10:42:42] <Assault> this is not an angular question, but is it possible to have position: absolute and align center without stating the amount of pixels? I would need to center a glyphicon to a div that has an img child, and the glyph icon should be in the center of the img
[10:42:53] <SargoDarya> icebox: afaik they're adding an id so it's not really the index.
[10:43:23] <icebox> SargoDarya: well.. it is "virtual" and I don't know if $index makes sense in that context
[10:44:07] <SargoDarya> Right
[10:45:27] <icebox> Pyrrhus666: OT - pro 5 almost ready :)
[10:46:28] <Pyrrhus666> icebox, ¨pro 5¨ ? (haven´t had my second cup´o java yet, I´m slow :))
[10:46:39] <icebox> Pyrrhus666: surface pro 5
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[10:47:01] <Pyrrhus666> srsly ? that´d be cool... with 7th gen cpu ?
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[10:48:54] <icebox> SargoDarya: maybe you may use the md-top-index attribute to watch which item is at the top of the scroll container, and also to jump to a specific item.
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[10:50:07] <SargoDarya> Thought about that but I guess I'm just adding an index to the elements, that might be quicker.
[10:50:09] <arlekin> icebox: surface seems kinda cool save for the fact that it runs windows
[10:50:15] <icebox> Pyrrhus666: yep... Kaby Lake processor, a display that supports 4K resolution, Surface Pen will be rechargeable instead of being battery-powered.
[10:50:28] <icebox> SargoDarya: agreed
[10:50:34] <Pyrrhus666> icebox, nice. any indication of ETA ?
[10:51:05] <icebox> Pyrrhus666: maybe April
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[10:51:39] <icebox> arlekin: Windows with BashOnWindows is great :)
[10:52:10] <arlekin> icebox: well bash on windows kinda warmed that OS for me, but the reports of all the pain with win10 still scare me away
[10:52:19] <Pyrrhus666> or just run a VM for development ;)
[10:52:35] <icebox> Pyrrhus666: I prefer native vs. vm :)
[10:52:35] <Pyrrhus666> arlekin, never had any pain with win10, actually...
[10:52:48] <arlekin> icebox: year or two and service pack from now i'll prolly move with my gaming os from 7 to 10
[10:52:55] <icebox> arlekin: no problems at all with w10
[10:53:35] <arlekin> icebox: dunno, i just see no reason to move to windows with dev
[10:53:48] <arlekin> icebox: regardless of pains or lack theirof
[10:53:50] <icebox> arlekin: now in April there is a new update, redstone 2 - the creators update - with BashOnWindows based on ubuntu 16.04 (vs. 14.04)
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[10:54:22] <arlekin> icebox: they've got bash, now i want sane filesystem structure
[10:54:23] <icebox> arlekin: my preferred so is archlinux but I am too lazy to configure xorg :)
[10:54:34] <arlekin> icebox: lol, that's like oxymoron
[10:55:03] <icebox> :P
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[10:57:35] <arlekin> btw, since when node_modules have such cool flat structure ?
[10:57:58] <arlekin> is that somehting new in 6.x ?
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[10:58:12] <arlekin> i meant 3.x
[10:58:47] <icebox> arlekin: I think so
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[10:59:52] <icebox> arlekin: anyway the latest is 4.1.2 in node 7.5.0
[11:00:12] <arlekin> icebox: hush now ;P
[11:00:13] <icebox> arlekin: and there is an ewkin on the block, yarn
[11:00:20] <icebox> *a new kid
[11:00:44] <arlekin> icebox: i know, was holding back on that, but it seems it blitzkrieged its way to the ecosystem
[11:01:07] <icebox> arlekin: I stay with npm
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[11:01:46] <arlekin> icebox: me too, but tbh i don't have enough experiences with either to have any reasons
[11:02:12] <arlekin> hey guys, who here works with node backend ?
[11:02:17] <icebox> the fragmentation is good to innovate, but then there is the time to aggregate... resistance is futile :)
[11:02:19] <Elarcis> arlekin, icebox: I use it to install my packages, I just don't commit the yarn.lock file :D
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[11:02:34] <Elarcis> arlekin, icebox: it's way faster than npm in this regard
[11:02:53] <arlekin> Elarcis: i don't have perf problems yet so...
[11:03:06] <Elarcis> arlekin: takes usually several minutes for a npm install here
[11:03:08] <icebox> arlekin: well... yarn is very fast :)
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[11:04:16] <arlekin> so how with that node backends ?
[11:05:00] <arlekin> i asked on #node.js but there is no reaction (or activity)
[11:05:17] <arlekin> and i need to choose backend framework and it seems there is few options quite similar
[11:05:47] <icebox> Elarcis: 2.4.8
[11:05:58] <arlekin> and i don't really have time to write somethign small in each of them to pick one i like :/
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[11:07:10] <icebox> Elarcis: thanks
[11:07:59] <icebox> arlekin: no concerns here... Node.js :)
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[11:08:16] <arlekin> icebox: without any framework ?
[11:08:34] <icebox> arlekin: I have been using express
[11:08:50] <arlekin> icebox: and how does that treat you ?
[11:09:00] <icebox> arlekin: the rest is too opinionated
[11:09:08] <icebox> arlekin: for my tastes
[11:09:41] <icebox> arlekin: well... I have been using it as api server and web server
[11:09:54] <arlekin> icebox: but do you have some specific cases ?
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[11:10:25] <arlekin> i mean, hapi for instance provides more things out of the box than express - the things you usually don't want to do by hand, and still isn't opinionated
[11:10:29] <arlekin> at least AFAIK
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[11:10:46] <arlekin> but i really don't know what you had in mind when you said "the rest"
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[11:10:56] <configurator> Hi everyone!
[11:11:18] <icebox> arlekin: hapi was in the rest :)
[11:11:32] <configurator> I'm currently learning Angular as part of my new job so I have a bunch of discussion-style questions which aren't suitable for StackOverflow
[11:11:37] <arlekin> icebox: ok, why is it too opinionated then ?
[11:11:40] <configurator> Is this a good place for them?
[11:11:49] <arlekin> configurator: yup, shoot
[11:12:05] <configurator> The question that brought me here today is about directives
[11:12:26] <Elarcis> configurator: yes, ask your questions :)
[11:12:36] <configurator> I understand what scope: false, scope: true and scope: {} do, and the differences between isolated and inherited scopes
[11:12:50] <configurator> But I'm wondering, in what situation would you want your scope to inherit its parent
[11:12:51] <Elarcis> configurator: that's a start!
[11:12:57] <Elarcis> configurator: ah, none :D
[11:13:08] <arlekin> configurator: well, none anymore
[11:13:13] <icebox> arlekin: and express avoids to me writing the code at too much low level...
[11:13:22] <configurator> After all, a directive should not know what's going on or where it's being placed
[11:13:31] <arlekin> configurator: the "modern" angular 1.x shuns scopes, really
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[11:13:33] <Elarcis> configurator: this is a quirky aspect of angular, it can be useful, but more often than not it just confuses everyone
[11:13:59] <arlekin> icebox: didn't know you work at zeit
[11:14:06] <icebox> configurator: that post talks exactly about the topic you highlight
[11:14:07] <arlekin> (not that i ever asked really)
[11:14:10] <Elarcis> configurator: I'd say until you think you're VERY comfortable with angular, you should avoid it as much as possible
[11:15:01] <icebox> arlekin: I don't work there... I said "my approach is very minimal" and I rather frameworks like that
[11:15:12] <Elarcis> configurator: "Make everything a directive" => Now, use components instead, but the idea's there
[11:15:25] <configurator> Components are angular 2, right?
[11:15:27] <arlekin> configurator: i'd even venture to state that if you really have to check parent of your scope then i'd stop and think whether you really designed the solution right
[11:15:40] <arlekin> configurator: yup, but there are also in angular 1.x since 1.5
[11:15:42] <configurator> arlekin, that's exactly what I was thinking
[11:15:51] <arlekin> icebox: oh i see, my bad ;P
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[11:16:03] <icebox> arlekin: anyway great company :)
[11:16:09] <arlekin> icebox: seems so
[11:16:20] <configurator> Relatedly, does anyone understand why I can't have multiple directives with isolated scopes on the same element?
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[11:16:55] <configurator> For a concrete example, I tried to do something like <my-password-input password-validator ng-model="password">
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[11:17:31] <Elarcis> configurator: ah, but that's because ngModel only applies to a specific set of elements
[11:17:44] <configurator> Where my-password-input is a directive that creates a pretty password field, and password-validator is one that validates password strength (but only used when changing passwords)
[11:17:48] <Elarcis> configurator: your ngModel should be in your myPasswordInput's input element
[11:17:56]
<icebox> arlekin: nothing against hapi... but I prefer "Micro. The whole project is ~100 lines of code."... or flic https://github.com/nkcmr/flic
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[11:18:32] <configurator> That wasn't the issue though - ng-model works surprisingly well that way if your directive has scope: { ngModel: '=' }
[11:18:43] <arlekin> Elarcis: tbh he could use it that way, but he'd have to fiddle with ngModelOptions and that's just not worth the hassle
[11:18:57] <configurator> Allows us to use things like ng validation and ngModelOptions on the containing directive
[11:19:11] <Elarcis> configurator: ah
[11:19:25] <configurator> The issue was that I couldn't use password-validator on the my-password-input - because they both have `scope: {stuff}`
[11:20:27] <arlekin> icebox: frankly my first reflex was to go with express, but when i learned it is so low level that i'd need a middleware just to pop things of the post body i got scared
[11:20:52] <icebox> arlekin: do you mean body-parser?
[11:20:59] <arlekin> icebox: yup
[11:21:32] <arlekin> icebox: i mean it isn't bad, but i kinda by default assumed there would be n+1 such things to do
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[11:21:45] <arlekin> icebox: and i'd drown trying to get all those middlewares and plugins to work
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[11:22:19] <configurator> I wouldn't say it's low-level, but a microkernel-style architecture where you only bring in the parts you need
[11:22:24] <icebox> arlekin: I see the point... but really it is the only plugin I have been using :) the rest is batteries-included
[11:22:25] <arlekin> icebox: plus there is also the hype-value - i'd like to bet on something that would profit me in the long run
[11:22:37] <arlekin> icebox: oh, goody :)
[11:22:52] <arlekin> icebox: come to think about it, if i learn express, all other things should be easier
[11:23:15] <icebox> arlekin: agreed... it is a school-tool :)
[11:23:21] <arlekin> icebox: plus i guess that express being low level would be better segway to learning node (didn't do anything significant there yet)
[11:23:39] <arlekin> icebox: then i made my mind
[11:23:53] <arlekin> icebox: damn, what i would do without y'all guys..,
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[11:24:39] <icebox> arlekin: better :)
[11:24:48] <arlekin> icebox: rotfl :P
[11:25:23] <arlekin> icebox: one more thing, is there some style guide for crudlike apps in express ?
[11:25:58] <icebox> arlekin: a lot "expressjs crud"
[11:26:13] <icebox> arlekin: really I have not a preferred one
[11:26:13] <arlekin> hmm... i guess mimicinkg toddmotto's styleguide for angular would be neat actually
[11:26:33] <arlekin> i mean - it would nicely paralele frontend structure with backend one
[11:26:33] <icebox> arlekin: maybe in expressjs blog
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[11:27:26] <arlekin> icebox: also gotta learn knex :P\
[11:27:54] <arlekin> icebox: scary...
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[11:28:22] <arlekin> Elarcis: shake that ass
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[11:28:34] <icebox> arlekin: expressjs - strongloop - ibm
[11:28:46] <Elarcis> configurator: it's possible that isolated scopes are linked to a DOM element
[11:28:52] <arlekin> icebox: irc - hexchat - fedora, whats your point ?
[11:29:03] <Elarcis> configurator: I don't know enough on the subjet yet to be perfectly sure about that
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[11:29:39] <Elarcis> "with little or no coding" *runs away*
[11:29:39] <Elarcis> usually this means hell
[11:29:46] <configurator> Well that's exactly what the error says - something along the lines of "you can't use two directives with isolated scopes on the same DOM element" (except it's an error message so it has to be a bit more cryptically worded)
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[11:30:28] <configurator> Elarcis, when I write a framework, I make sure you need a _lot_ of coding to use it, that way we can save on the "little" coding these sort of things need
[11:30:40] <icebox> arlekin: tj was expressjs's owner, sold to strongloop, acquired by ibm
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[11:31:20] <icebox> arlekin: loopback is the opinionated framework of strongloop
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[11:32:03] <Elarcis> configurator: we are writing a kind of framework to configure an app, it is small, but the configuration itself is huge. But the examples are clear enough (I guess) for it to be enjoyable
[11:32:16] <arlekin> icebox: i thought we established that we don't like opinionated things
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[11:32:47] <configurator> Is there a real difference between "opinionated" and "sensible defaults"?
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[11:32:53] <icebox> arlekin: yes... but I pointed that link to you as state of art (code style guide) :)
[11:33:09] <arlekin> icebox: ok i se
[11:33:11] <arlekin> *see
[11:33:23] <icebox> arlekin: just a comparison base with, for instance, knex :)
[11:33:27] <Elarcis> configurator: yes. opinionated tends to push you towards doing things a certain way, whereas sensible defaults are just annoying assumptions :P
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[11:34:50] <configurator> Makes sense
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[11:35:34] <Elarcis> configurator: e.g. Angular is very opinionated, pretty much more than angularjs
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[11:36:32] <arlekin> jwt auth hot or not ?
[11:36:37] <icebox> "very opinionated" means the api surface is bigger than other frameworks :)
[11:36:55] <icebox> arlekin: hot
[11:37:10] <arlekin> icebox: ok, why
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[11:37:25] <arlekin> icebox: i mean why is that better than session based
[11:38:20] <icebox> arlekin: well... ok session based and jwt are the two main approaches
[11:38:28] <Kartagis> I've inherited a mobile application, and it throws errors when I try to use <li ng-repeat="(key, data) in filterSearch(myData) | orderBy='Sort value'"
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[11:39:24] <arlekin> icebox: thanks, i got about 10 other tabs open on the subject
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[11:39:45] <icebox> arlekin: that is an official and good resource :)
[11:39:47] <arlekin> icebox: i'll read up and later will hit you up with questions if i have any left :P
[11:39:59] <arlekin> icebox: you have been warned :P
[11:40:07] <icebox> arlekin: ah well... ok :P
[11:40:58] <icebox> we should contact google to send us a few t-shirts :) to support irc community :)
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[11:41:54] <icebox> next time Fox is here, I would ask them about it :)
[11:42:15] <arlekin> icebox: good idea, i'd drink to that :P
[11:42:45] <icebox> or I may tweet to Brad :)
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[11:46:41] <Kartagis> I've inherited a mobile application, and it throws errors when I try to use <li ng-repeat="(key, data) in filterSearch(myData) | orderBy='Sort value'"
[11:46:45] <arlekin> icebox: it seems that before i move to "just angular" it will be angular 10
[11:46:59] <Kartagis> how can I debug it?
[11:47:26] <arlekin> (skipping 9 of course, like all the cool kids)
[11:47:26] <icebox> arlekin: yep... indeed I am pushing to port at least my pet app to angular as soon as possibile
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[11:48:02] <icebox> Kartagis: no remote debugging with Chrome?
[11:49:02] <SargoDarya> @icebox: Funny thing, I changed nothing. Suddenly it works for no apparent reason.
[11:49:57] <Kartagis> by the way it should have been orderBy:, not orderBy=
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[11:50:37] <icebox> SargoDarya: nice :)
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[11:51:17] <Kartagis> I get notArray
[11:52:05] <icebox> Kartagis: myData should be an object... you are repeating on the keys/values of myData
[11:52:28] <icebox> Kartagis: I don't think you can sort something is not an array
[11:52:52] <macstriker> ping
[11:52:55] <macstriker> sorry
[11:53:05] <arlekin> icebox: so far what im reading points me to one conclusion: JWT is SO FREAKING AWESOME
[11:53:21] <arlekin> icebox: why would anyone ever use anything else at all
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[11:53:38] <icebox> arlekin: agreed
[11:54:10] <arlekin> the best part it is soooo easy to implement that you don't need framework just because you are afraid you won't "get it right"
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[11:54:21] <arlekin> at least it seems so so far
[11:55:01] <Elarcis> lunchtime is sooon
[11:55:06] <Elarcis> <
[11:55:07] <Elarcis> <3
[11:55:58] <Elarcis> icebox: API surface isn't related to opinions imho, I'd say it's more related to minimalism
[11:56:05] <Elarcis> icebox: :P
[11:57:53] <Elarcis> Kartagis: I don't know, your issue description is far to vague for us to help you efficiently
[11:57:59] <Elarcis> *too
[11:58:13] <icebox> Kartagis: it seems correct, but I would avoid properties with spaces
[11:58:38] <Kartagis> icebox: you mean Sort value vs. Sort
[11:59:17] <Elarcis> Kartagis: also, orderBy's property shouldn't be between quotes, so you're kinda screwed with that one :D
[11:59:43] <Elarcis> Kartagis: my bad, it /should/
[11:59:53] <Elarcis> Kartagis: i'm hungry ,brain is malfunctioning
[12:00:03] <Kartagis> heh, you beat me to it
[12:00:18] <Elarcis> Kartagis: I thought 'Sort value' contained the orderBy expression
[12:00:36] <Elarcis> Kartagis: but it seems 'Sort value' only contains the value to sort by
[12:00:51] <Kartagis> no, it contains a value to order by
[12:01:06] <icebox> Kartagis: up to you how to fix it
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[12:01:34] <icebox> Kartagis: next time if you provide the plunker, we may fix it :)
[12:02:04] <Elarcis> wow icebox, you're nice today! :D
[12:02:38] <arlekin> Elarcis: speak for yourself, for me icebox is nice everyday
[12:02:54] <Elarcis> arlekin: you're the first one to say he's cold :D
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[12:03:22] <arlekin> Elarcis: that's cause i like nick-related puns
[12:03:27] <arlekin> we all have vices...
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[12:08:12] <baako> Hi guys I need an angularjs 1 developer who can write me a directive and a controller or service(will let the developer decide on the best approach) will be using the directive for my ionic 1 project. Will pay them £7 for each one. PM me if you are interested. Was doing it myself but what I need to do next is really advance for my knowledge and skills at the moment.
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[12:11:14] <Kartagis> I can't make it output anything
[12:11:33] <Kartagis> btw, thanks icebox
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[12:16:45] <baako> hey icebox
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[12:50:01] <Elarcis> baako: sorry, £7 is barely half my hourly rates
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[12:50:48] <baako> Elarcis, what I am asking will take you about 15 mins to write has you know javascript and angularjs very well.
[12:51:07] <Elarcis> baako: it won't
[12:51:14] <arlekin> baako: count in the time needed to understand the problem domain
[12:51:29] <Elarcis> baako: Don't estimate charges if you don't know the tech, which you admitted :D
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[12:52:18] <Elarcis> baako: design time + development + delivery + tests by yourself + correction because there are 0% changes that it'll be correct because I forgot to add a 'define specifications' step before the design one :D
[12:52:28] <Elarcis> *chances, dammit
[12:52:48] <baako> Elarcis, how much will you charge
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[12:54:31] <arlekin> off to lunch
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[12:54:43] <Elarcis> baako: nothing, even if you were willing to pay 30£, I wouldn't take the offer :D
[12:54:59] <baako> okay :)
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[12:58:05] <ngWalrus> Elarcis would you be willing to work for me, I'll give you credit and you get to make a killer app that is still in the idea phase :^)
[12:58:15] <ngWalrus> and by that I mean there isn't an idea
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[12:59:27] <Elarcis> ngWalrus: haha, no way
[12:59:39] <ngWalrus> darn
[12:59:44] <Elarcis> ngWalrus: I'm already doing crucial, unpaved work :D
[12:59:57] <Elarcis> ngWalrus: i's almost scientific research
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[13:00:34] <ngWalrus> it's not a project without specifications, it's scientific research
[13:00:37] <ngWalrus> :^)
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[13:09:15] <arlekin> back
[13:09:48] <arlekin> ngWalrus: lol, good one
[13:10:01] <Elarcis> arlekin: your mom is back!
[13:10:09] <Elarcis> arlekin: wait, that didn't sound insulting at all
[13:10:15] <arlekin> Elarcis: no it didn't
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[13:11:54] <Elarcis> not many people on that channel these days. used to be more around 600 than 500
[13:12:07] <Elarcis> was probably higher, 600 is the max I've noticed :D
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[13:12:28] <arlekin> well, i guess it could be related to ng2
[13:13:00] <arlekin> also, i guess slack nowadays is kinda the default channel of communication
[13:13:18] <arlekin> all dem bootcamp kids and such...
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[13:13:58] <Elarcis> arlekin: no, it's because Angular is a dead project, everybody switched to react
[13:13:59] <Elarcis> /s
[13:14:07] <arlekin> i talked recently with a friend from meetup and when i mentioned IRC at first she didn't realize what i was talking about
[13:14:12] <Elarcis> I remember that guy, was funny
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[13:14:18] <arlekin> Elarcis: xD
[13:14:47] <Elarcis> "lol the neckbeards are out"
[13:15:20] <arlekin> btw it IS funny, i remember how all bloggers cried that angular will trip on migrating to 2.x
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[13:15:33] <arlekin> but it seems it actually rewinded the hype machine
[13:15:41] <Ozymandy> I have angular app. With news page. And i want to implement printing ONLY existing in newspage text. Right now I have directive wich inserting template for printing to newspage with display:none but it's bad practise because I have text links in text.
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[13:16:59] <uru> Elarcis: Hey
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[13:17:32] <Ozymandy> so can anyone help me with any advice how to implements this?
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[13:20:01] <Kartagis> doesn't throw the error though
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[13:20:12] <Kartagis> icebox, Elarcis ^^
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[13:22:03] <Mellin> What is the best way to start using angularjs?
[13:22:15] <Mellin> how can the learning be more efficient?
[13:22:30] <arlekin> Mellin: there is no single answer
[13:22:41] <Elarcis> Kartagis: didn't icebox give you aplunker doing the error already?
[13:22:47] <arlekin> Mellin: depends on how you learn best, and there is prolly as many ways as there is ppl
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[13:23:03] <Elarcis> Mellin: did you do the official tutorial?
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[13:23:09] <Elarcis> Mellin: angularjs or Angular?
[13:23:16] <Kartagis> Elarcis: he told me to reproduce it
[13:23:19] <Mellin> Well as i ask people here, i expected to get for example your opinion in how to learn it :P xd
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[13:23:29] <Mellin> angularjs elarcis
[13:23:37] <Kartagis> Elarcis: using the template
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[13:23:43] <Elarcis> Kartagis: your error comes from the fact that myData is an array in your plunkr, but your error tells us it's an object
[13:24:07] <arlekin> Mellin: well, start small and build your understanding up feature by feature - that's kinda my approach
[13:24:09] <Kartagis> an array is an object, isn't?
[13:24:15] <arlekin> Kartagis: not exactyl
[13:24:16] <Elarcis> Kartagis: it's not
[13:24:18] <Kartagis> isn't it?
[13:24:20] <Kartagis> oh
[13:24:23] <Elarcis> Kartagis: it's not
[13:24:29] <arlekin> Kartagis: technically its a special kind of an object
[13:24:41] <arlekin> Kartagis: but in practice it isn't anything like object
[13:24:51] <Elarcis> Kartagis: so special you can just stop considering an array is an object
[13:24:54] <arlekin> for instance array's ain't passed by reference afaik
[13:24:58] <Elarcis> arlekin: they are
[13:25:04] <arlekin> Elarcis: are they >
[13:25:05] <arlekin> ?
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[13:25:21] <arlekin> their items are, but array itself...
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[13:25:52] <arlekin> i mean the "don't break reference" method of getting things in sync with service isn't working with arrays (i need to wrap it with object)
[13:26:48] <arlekin> Elarcis: unsurprisingly you seem to be right...
[13:26:53] <arlekin> still tho...
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[13:29:12] <Snugglebash> arlekin: you cant argue with Elarcis
[13:29:19] <Elarcis> are you all in a 'imitating Mr. Peanutbutter' contest, because it feels like you're saying 'are theeeey?' a lot
[13:29:20] <Elarcis> :P
[13:29:35] <Elarcis> Snugglebash: no, you can, because I say a lot of crap
[13:29:40] <arlekin> Snugglebash: oh i can, believe me, though in this case he is just right, plain and simple
[13:29:48] <arlekin> *unfortunately*
[13:30:20] <Kartagis> when I google angular sort object, I'm led to orderBy
[13:30:23] <Elarcis> Kartagis: this is an array containing objects
[13:30:49] <Kartagis> hrmm
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[13:38:41] <daedeloth> I'm using this snippet to replace the ExplroerComponent based on a a "featureService" that determines which component to use
[13:38:46] <daedeloth> but it feels a bit yucky
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[13:41:15] <arlekin> icebox: the JWT are so simple, so painless, so good... it's like christmas
[13:42:06] <icebox> back...
[13:42:20] <icebox> arlekin: thanks for the kind words above
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[13:43:11] <arlekin> ;)
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[13:46:22] <icebox> Elarcis: after speding a few hours with webpack, coding a plunker more is a breeze :)
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[13:47:32] <Pyrrhus666> icebox, challenge : now build a plunk with a fully working angular / es2015 / webpack 2 workflow :P
[13:47:44] <Kartagis> I don't see it icebox
[13:47:58] <Kartagis> I mean I see previous things
[13:48:18] <arlekin> Pyrrhus666: throw in some ts and jshint and jsdocs and istambul and tests while we are at it
[13:48:22] <icebox> Pyrrhus666: it is my task, because I need to reproduce the problem I found during the weekend
[13:48:27] <Kartagis> sorry, I see it now
[13:48:39] <Pyrrhus666> icebox, ouch...
[13:48:56] <icebox> Pyrrhus666: yep :)
[13:49:12] <icebox> Pyrrhus666: but with angularjs
[13:49:25] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: remote desktop to a vagrant VM
[13:49:28] <icebox> Pyrrhus666: well... really only with d3 and techan
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[13:49:32] <Pyrrhus666> icebox, I´m still amazed at the default angular plunk with systemjs and all that...
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[13:50:20] <icebox> Pyrrhus666: systemjs was my first choice, because is based on import implementation draft... but it wants transpiled code
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[13:52:07] <Elarcis> icebox: I find systemJS to be a true pain to configure
[13:52:26] <Pyrrhus666> icebox, yeah, istr you saying something like that. looks like systemjs is on the losing side though, since webpack 2
[13:52:45] <icebox> Pyrrhus666: yep
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[13:53:21] <Elarcis> it seems cool and all for basic demos, though
[13:53:39] <Elarcis> like plunker
[13:53:51] <icebox> Elarcis: well... that stuff should not there... it is not a bundler, it is a loader with dressed bundler :)
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[13:58:14] <Elarcis> just sayin, I'm on vacations from thursday til the end of the week
[13:58:18] <Elarcis> don't go looking for me
[13:58:22] <Elarcis> since you all love me so much
[13:58:23] <icebox> sigh
[13:58:34] <icebox> enjoy your rest time
[13:58:41] <Elarcis> I will
[13:58:55] <Elarcis> first one for some time :D
[14:00:09] <Pyrrhus666> Elarcis, nice :)
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[14:03:30] <Pyrrhus666> Kartagis, have you injected the dependency, or is that what you mean by ´put in´ ?
[14:04:10] <Kartagis> Pyrrhus666: var angularApp = angular.module('suTour', ['ngRoute', 'ngSanitize','ngOrderObjectBy']);
[14:04:32] <Kartagis> that's all I did
[14:04:57] <Kartagis> needless to say, I'm half clueless
[14:05:02] <Kartagis> maybe total
[14:05:30] <icebox> Kartagis: you forgot to load the script or you may create a new module without deps
[14:05:36] <Pyrrhus666> Kartagis, that directive is not an angularjs native one, it needs to be loaded first.
[14:05:51] <Kartagis> how do I load it?
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[14:08:47] <Pyrrhus666> Kartagis, just like any other scripts, but I don´t know your setup because it´s something mobile...
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[14:10:51] <Kartagis> oh, line 11 in app.js, just saw it
[14:10:54] <Kartagis> thanks
[14:11:09] <Pyrrhus666> Kartagis, ah, you meant the plunk, sorry :)
[14:11:37] <Pyrrhus666> remember to make a local copy, don´t load it from git in your app...
[14:11:38] <Kartagis> did I mention I'm lueless
[14:11:50] <Kartagis> clueless
[14:11:58] <Kartagis> okay, thanks
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[14:17:41] <Elarcis> enlightenment of the day: Arrays are just JS objects with numbered keys
[14:17:43] <Elarcis> fdhkjdlfdqjgfdk
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[14:19:05] <Elarcis> and a special declaration syntax that's just sugar
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[14:20:25] <Kartagis> unbelievable
[14:20:33] <Kartagis> didn't sort
[14:20:43] <Pyrrhus666> Elarcis, with the added gotcha that obj.key is a reference, but array[1] doesn´t seem to be one
[14:21:02] <Pyrrhus666> (I´m slowly losing my mind over this issue)
[14:22:04] <Kartagis> oh, I didn't negate it
[14:22:09] <Kartagis> that's why
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[14:22:29] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: what do you mean? array[1] is as much a reference as object.key
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[14:23:46] <Pyrrhus666> let´s just say that referencing ¨this.checked¨ works as a ref if that´s a boolean, but this.checked[1] doesn´t when it´s an array of booleans
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[14:25:08] <dglambert> morning
[14:25:35] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: wait, booleans are passed by reference now?
[14:26:19] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: that's weird, just tested it but no, didn't work
[14:26:27] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: you sure this.checked isn't a getter?
[14:26:36] <Elarcis> dglambert: afternoon
[14:26:47] <dglambert> Elarcis, o/
[14:26:47] <Pyrrhus666> Elarcis, it is in a vue context, that might f*ck things up.
[14:26:54]
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[14:27:07] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: I guess
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[14:29:09] <Elarcis> I FOUND IT§
[14:29:22] <Elarcis> look for christo_m's ramblings
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[14:34:41] <Pyrrhus666> heh. what a dickhead.
[14:34:44] <Elarcis> it's gold in my book :D
[14:35:16] <Pyrrhus666> Elarcis, okay, so a gold dickhead.
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[14:36:09] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: would some people like their head to be a golden dick
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[14:36:13] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: I wonder
[14:36:27] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: reminds me of the tale of the man with a golden brain
[14:36:34] <Pyrrhus666> Elarcis, it´s probably _someone_´s fetish :)
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[14:37:12] <jarard> hi everyone o/
[14:38:43] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: ends up cutting chunks of his brain for a very demanding girl, and loses his mind when he ends up scratching the last, bloody gold grains in his skull in a final act of foly to please her
[14:38:58] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: really nice story
[14:39:07] <Pyrrhus666> Elarcis, that sounds like some classic aesop shit :)
[14:39:11] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: kind of a metaphoric cautionary tale of course
[14:39:14] <Elarcis> aesop?
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[14:39:47] <Pyrrhus666> Elarcis, some old greek dude, wrote fables
[14:40:04] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: could be, I remember it to be much more modern than that though
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[14:41:52] <Kartagis> what am I doing wrong here? I'm comparing and and not seeing differences
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[14:43:47] <Elarcis> ah, Esope
[14:44:09] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: probably this one
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[14:45:25] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: the one I know is actually from Alphonse Daudet
[14:45:34] <Pyrrhus666> Elarcis, see my link :P
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[14:46:16] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: shoot
[14:46:29] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: didn't see it wasn' from Esope
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[14:57:25] <Pyrrhus666> Kartagis, value.data is not a thing. try {{value}} to inspect.
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[14:58:28] <Elarcis> Kartagis: replace value.data with value.nid
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[14:59:09] * Kartagis headdesks
[14:59:17] <Elarcis> Kartagis: it happens :P
[14:59:20] <Kartagis> oh, it's bleeding
[14:59:29] * Kartagis faints
[14:59:37] <Kartagis> call 911!
[15:00:13] <Pyrrhus666> I did, it complains the number doesn´t exist. sorry.
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[15:01:51] <icebox> Elarcis: if you write 10 controllers, using $onInit, then you code a service, adding the initialization in a $onInit methid, you spend a few minutes to uderstand the properties are undefined :)
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[15:03:50] <Elarcis> icebox: heh?
[15:04:27] <icebox> Elarcis: I described the birth of a bug :)
[15:04:39] <Elarcis> icebox: aaah
[15:04:47] <Elarcis> icebox: "feels stupid moments"
[15:04:54] <icebox> Elarcis: exactly :)
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[15:07:20] <Elarcis> icebox: my most "feels stupid" moment, let's see... when I spent half an afternoon debugging code, not understanding why my changes weren't registered, testing, debugging, testing, debugging ,changing code, restarting npm, slamming my head against walls... turns out I was running the app on the test server rather than localhost
[15:07:54] <icebox> eheheheh :)
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[15:08:58] <max_at> hello :)
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[15:11:38] <max_at> kind of a tricky issue here using angular 1.5.x with iframes. we are running some angular apps within iframe and $location.search() inside an iframe will of course search inside the iframe's url. I would like to tell angular to use document.referrer instead of location.href to search. any ideas?
[15:11:46] <icebox> Elarcis: the point is there is not difference between a controller and a service in ES2015: both are classes
[15:11:55] <Pyrrhus666> jarard, which variable ?
[15:12:05] <jarard> listing.name
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[15:12:44] <icebox> Elarcis: and without an interface checking the methods, like ts, it is easy to fail :) maybe eslint-angular-plugin supports that
[15:13:26] <Pyrrhus666> jarard, that works, doesn´t it ? it says ¨Name appears here: Foo Bar¨ ?
[15:13:44] <jarard> there it does yes, but click the button
[15:14:03] <jarard> line 26 of index.hmrl
[15:14:24] <Pyrrhus666> jarard, like we discussed numerous times last week : the modal controller and you app´s controller are not the same scope.
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[15:14:49] <Ben_1> hi
[15:14:57] <Pyrrhus666> jarard, setting it in one doesn´t make it automagically available in the other ;)
[15:15:47] <jarard> sure of course, but the markup for the modal is within the scope of the app controller isn't it
[15:15:55] <max_at> $scope.message is also working if you add it to the view like <p ng-if="message" ng-bind="message"></p>
[15:16:33] <Pyrrhus666> jarard, no, the scopes are separated both logically in code and hierarchically in html
[15:17:54] <jarard> hmmm, i thought that line 15 applies the main controller
[15:18:19] <Pyrrhus666> what line 15 ?
[15:18:35] <jarard> <div ng-controller="Controller as listing" class="modal-demo">
[15:19:09] <jarard> does that bind to the 'Controller' controller
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[15:19:11] <Elarcis> icebox: yes, TS has typings for angular, but interface checking won't prevent you from adding unexisting properties
[15:19:17] <Pyrrhus666> yes, but the markup that is _defined_ there, is _compiled_ in the scope of the modalController
[15:19:24] <Elarcis> icebox: interfaces are only "no less than", never "exactly equal to"
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[15:19:54] <Elarcis> icebox: except when creating objects
[15:20:08] <Pyrrhus666> jarard, by setting templateUrl: 'modal.html', it doesn´t inherit. the template should also not be defined there, but outside the div of line 15
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[15:20:30] <jarard> ok so it's the tempplateURL that is key ?
[15:20:40] <Elarcis> dammit, made a fool of myself by correcting what I thought to be an invalid use of the term 'strawman', but it wasn't. Corrected myself just after, but it was TOO LATE
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[15:21:17] <Pyrrhus666> jarard, no, that just means the template is assigned to be compiled. you cannot communicate to a $scope via its template html.
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[15:21:46] <Pyrrhus666> jarard, imagine using templateUrl in stead of template to point to a file.
[15:21:59] <jarard> so what specifically in my mark-up shifts the scope to ModalCOntroller
[15:22:21] <Pyrrhus666> jarard, nothing, that happens in code, not markup
[15:23:02] <jarard> so then it must be this line in the controller: controller: "ModalController"
[15:23:03] <Pyrrhus666> jarard, specifically the call to showmodal. that creates the instance, and thus the scope
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[15:23:22] <Pyrrhus666> jarard, no.
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[15:23:50] <Pyrrhus666> jarard, that markup is just a definition. scope is created when it´s _used_ (from showModal)
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[15:26:46] <jarard> so it's here: ModalService.showModal({
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[15:27:07] <jarard> that's key to the scope?
[15:27:26] <Pyrrhus666> jarard, that call creates the modal (meaning it compiles the template and assigns the controller) and this creates the scope.
[15:27:47] <jarard> ok thanks - I missing some key knowledge right there
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[15:29:53] <Pyrrhus666> jarard, just see it like this : your app controller calls a service to create the modal, the app controller cannot ´reach´ that modal instance directly to communicate with it.
[15:31:34] <jarard> yup makes perfect sense, I just wasn't aware it was calling the modal controller, although it's obvious when you think about it
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[15:31:51] <jarard> am I safe to be using $scope.name given the above
[15:32:11] <jarard> I mean it works, just not sure if that's good practise
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[15:32:31] <Pyrrhus666> jarard, you got an update plunk ?
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[15:34:16] <SargoDarya> Finally got the bouncer again \o/
[15:34:24] <Pyrrhus666> jarard, you have defined the name twice, in both scopes, is that what you want ? they are not linked...
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[15:35:21] <Elarcis> SargoDarya: what are the pros of a bouncer?
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[15:35:40] <SargoDarya> Elarcis: You basically are always online and don't miss messages on a channel
[15:36:02] <SargoDarya> Means you're also not spamming the channel with quit and join messages if you're having connection issues.
[15:36:06] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: Is that what you want? Is that what you really want -- Is that what you want? ♪♫
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[15:36:56] <Pyrrhus666> Elarcis, now I´ve got spice girls vomiting their lyrics in my mind... bastard ;)
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[15:37:37] <jarard> Pyrrhus666, i don't want tit twice, just need to tidy my code, have to run out brb
[15:38:06] <soee_> in angular 1 when having component template, how can i access very first element inside template from component controller ?
[15:38:32] <SargoDarya> $element
[15:38:38] <SargoDarya> inject that, access that.
[15:39:07] <SargoDarya> soee_:
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[15:40:14] <Elarcis> She has an IQ of 1001, she has a jumpsuit on, and she's also a telephone ♪♫
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[15:40:34] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: ELO for the win!
[15:40:39] <Elarcis> SargoDarya: okay
[15:41:15] <SargoDarya> Elarcis: it has a lot more benefits actually. You can add modules for auto responding etc. Think of it as some kind of personal assistant
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[15:41:28] <Elarcis> SargoDarya: you have me hooked
[15:41:37] <Elarcis> SargoDarya: I'll install one on my server :P
[15:42:03] <SargoDarya> Be careful with ZNC though. You can also use one of the free ones like PanicBNC
[15:42:21] <soee_> SargoDarya: right, so $element.children[0] woudl be the way ?
[15:42:58] <SargoDarya> soee_: I think so. Yes. Someone else correct me if I'm wrong.
[15:42:59] <Elarcis> SargoDarya: haven't started documenting myself
[15:43:14] <Elarcis> SargoDarya: what's the deal with ZNC?
[15:43:15] <soee_> SargoDarya: ok, ill test that. Thank you
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[15:43:58] <SargoDarya> Elarcis: Well, if you configure it wrong you might open it up for security issues as it's also possible to use it with shell access.
[15:44:10] <SargoDarya> But it's all very well documented.
[15:44:20] <SargoDarya> Just know that it takes more than 5 minutes to configure ;)
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[15:45:47] <Elarcis> SargoDarya: yeah I can imagine
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[15:46:04] <Elarcis> SargoDarya: I guess you're talking about self hosted, anyway
[15:46:22] <SargoDarya> Yepp, in that case. There are more than enough free providers ;)
[15:47:02] <Elarcis> SargoDarya: might as well use my overpriced server :P
[15:47:15] <SargoDarya> lol, indeed.
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[15:48:52] <sakustar> SargoDarya: why a bouncer instead of running screen on a remote server?
[15:50:04] <SargoDarya> sakustar: Because not everyone has servers (hah, crazy world, I know), bouncers handle reconnects, have more functionality, are modular etc.
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[15:50:32] <Elarcis> SargoDarya: that, and because tmux is generally better :P
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[15:50:50] <sakustar> idk i think irssi can handle everything
[15:50:54] <Elarcis> just trolling :D
[15:51:05] <SargoDarya> I think it's all personal preference to be honest.
[15:51:31] <sakustar> yeh, never seen anything worth it in a bouncer
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[15:59:56] <caroga> hi all
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[16:01:05] <all> hi caroga!
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[16:01:21] <caroga> wow, best nickname, ever
[16:01:22] <m0ltar> Hey, how can I get access to the resolved value from "resolve" function inside "$stateChangeSuccess" event function?
[16:01:24] <m0ltar> Docs state: "If any of these dependencies are promises, they will be resolved and converted to a value before the controller is instantiated and the $stateChangeSuccess event is fired."
[16:01:26] <m0ltar> So it does happen BEFORE, we know that. But when I'm inspecting all of the params passed into the event handler, I don't see the resolved data there
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[16:02:18] <Elarcis> m0ltar: they're not params, they're values injected into the controller, like you'd inject services, etc.
[16:02:30] <m0ltar> Yeah I know that.
[16:02:38] <m0ltar> But I need to get access to the resolved data inside the even thandler
[16:02:44] <Elarcis> m0ltar: I don't think you can access them in the event handler
[16:02:46] <m0ltar> event*
[16:03:10] <m0ltar> Elarcis: ok, thanks
[16:03:13] <Elarcis> m0ltar: what is your need behind this?
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[16:03:58] <m0ltar> I wanted to use resolve to build page titles and then set them on rootScope
[16:04:08] <m0ltar> Basically my main need is to set <title> tag correctly on pages
[16:04:36] <m0ltar> I was doing it via data first, but then in one route, I can't do that, because route is dynamically defined based on $stateParams :/
[16:04:40] <Elarcis> m0ltar: your page title is asynchronous?
[16:04:55] <m0ltar> Elarcis: page title requires access to $stateParams
[16:04:56] <Elarcis> m0ltar: ah
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[16:05:03] <m0ltar> which "data" does not provide
[16:05:19] <Elarcis> m0ltar: use a service then?
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[16:05:35] <m0ltar> And call it from the controller?
[16:06:03] <Elarcis> m0ltar: the service has a method that accepts your $stateParam value, onStateChangeSuccess you call the service and let it do its work, and the service will later change the page title by itself, without the controller knowing?
[16:06:05] <m0ltar> I wanted to define page titles on the UI route definitions
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[16:06:46] <Elarcis> m0ltar: so basically your route params still define the page title, just that it's not resolved before the route change, but dynamically after the change?
[16:07:08] <m0ltar> I'm confused :/
[16:07:32] <Elarcis> m0ltar: what is exactly done to get your page title?
[16:07:36] <m0ltar> I have one state that uses "controllerProvider" to create the controller name based on the $stateParams
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[16:08:14] <m0ltar> in which case I cannot define the title statically, as it's "Foo" + $stateParams.bar + "Ctrl"
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[16:08:54] <m0ltar> So I figured I'd use a resolve for that and defined a pageTitle: function($stateParams) { return titleMap[$stateParams.bar] }
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[16:09:29] <m0ltar> Previous to that I just tried setting it inside data: { pageTitle: "..." }, but that obviously doesn't work with the controllerProvider setup
[16:09:35] <m0ltar> as it will use the same title for all controllers
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[16:10:22] <m0ltar> I only need that for a single state definition
[16:10:28] <m0ltar> not all titles depend on that
[16:10:43] <caroga> Is it possible to call a method on component A from within another route and redirect afterwards, without having to make a new component for that specific route?
[16:10:58] <caroga> E.g.: logincomponent contains logout method, I wish to call it on /logout
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[16:13:48] <Elarcis> caroga: no
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[16:14:16] <Elarcis> caroga: define that method in a service
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[16:16:00] <caroga> Elarcis: I've got it in a service (logincomponent::logout actually calls userservice::logout). But I wish to avoid to create just a logoutcomponent so I can use it on the /logout route. That's not avoidable?
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[16:18:37] <Elarcis> caroga: I'm not an ui-router expert, but I think you're going to have to create a LogoutComponent
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[16:20:44] <caroga> oke. Good enough. Thank you for your help
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[16:36:35] <Elarcis> caroga: np
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[16:47:57] <loZio> Hello, I have a question...is there a way to use factory in my index.html? Thanks!
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[16:53:12] <icebox> loZio: processing the question... what do you mean?
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[16:53:26] <icebox> loZio: ah yes... I understood... yes, you can
[16:53:51] <icebox> loZio: like $ctrl.myService.foo()
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[16:55:19] <loZio> icebox: I want to get my config file first boot the angular app
[16:55:33] <loZio> so in my index I add my script to download tha json
[16:55:35] <icebox> loZio: ah
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[16:55:55] <baako> hi
[16:55:56] <loZio> I had created a service to "encrypt"
[16:55:59] <loZio> this json
[16:56:06] <icebox> loZio: I think you can achieve it boostrapping manually angular
[16:56:11] <loZio> yep
[16:56:14] <loZio> and works
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[16:56:26] <loZio> but i want to use a factory in index.html
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[16:57:29] <loZio> icebox: I think I dont' have $ctrl in my index.html
[16:57:34] <loZio> i think...
[16:58:12] <loZio> another I don't use the component because I have a old structrue
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[16:59:01] <loZio> but is it possible?
[16:59:14] <icebox> loZio: really I don't get what you are trying
[16:59:42] <loZio> icebox: is there a way to use factory in my index.html?
[17:00:09] <icebox> loZio: the question doesn't mean anything
[17:00:31] <loZio> why not?
[17:00:31] <icebox> loZio: in a template you can use any service via a controller, I would say
[17:00:44] <loZio> ovvio
[17:00:52] <loZio> but I want to use in index.html
[17:00:59] <icebox> loZio: why do you talk about a factory in index.html and "to use"?
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[17:01:36] <icebox> loZio: do you mean like a global function?
[17:01:54] <loZio> maybe
[17:02:09] <icebox> loZio: like <script>thisIsMyService("foo");</script>
[17:02:24] <icebox> loZio: maybe what? you need to give us context or details
[17:06:16] <caroga> So, oauth2 in angular2. Anyone got experience with implementation?
[17:06:32] <caroga> I've just added a basic way of authentication using a UserService which handles the stuff.
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[17:06:57] <caroga> Would it be better to use a package like `ng2-oauth2` or `angular2-oauth2` instead?
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[17:20:23] <icebox> loZio: ?
[17:20:48] <loZio> sorry man...I'm here
[17:21:08] <icebox> loZio: no problem... but I didn't understood your request
[17:21:12] <icebox> *understand
[17:21:26] <loZio> I want to do like this like <script>thisIsMyService("foo");</script>
[17:21:53] <loZio> I think that I can't
[17:21:58] <loZio> in my index
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[17:27:59] <icebox> loZio: so... you mean you want calling a method of a factory without bootstrapping angular?
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[17:29:11] <icebox> loZio: well... you can extract that method from the factory and put it in a simple js file... then you can reuse it in the factory and in index.html
[17:29:38] <loZio> yes I can
[17:29:40] <loZio> thanks man
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[17:30:08] <icebox> loZio: now the starting question is the opposite... how to call an external js function in angular code... but there are a lot of resources explaining that
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[17:31:57] <Elarcis> *facedesk*
[17:32:03] <Elarcis> icebox: got a sweet "feels stupid" moment
[17:32:10] <durin3> hey, im try to build an restapi with angular, but every http request get a new sid, and i have tryed every thing. how can i force angular to use the sid from the postlogin - sid?
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[17:33:11] <durin3> its a cros problem, on the same server it works
[17:33:13] <Elarcis> icebox: okay, so where to start. I have a system where in synchronous reading operations, the coder can call a method that is actually asynchronous. if async, the method throws a specific error containing a promise for the async value.
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[17:34:18] <Elarcis> icebox: then I have a handler that returns a promise for both synchronous and asynchronous calls: it catches any "async pending error" and when the promise is resolved, reruns the initial method. async results are now cached, the method is ran completely synchronously, invisible to the (promise-inexperienced) coder
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[17:34:37] <Elarcis> icebox: I don't like it, but it's the best I could to to simplify the thing enough
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[17:35:16] <Elarcis> icebox: well turns out, when the handler called the method after the promise was resolved, it didn't pass the initial arguments, it just called the method without them
[17:35:27] <Elarcis> icebox: guess how much the code liked it
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[17:36:15] <icebox> :P
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[17:37:35] <icebox> off.... bye
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[17:52:22] <Kartagis> Elarcis: I never got to thank you for the fix in my code
[17:52:32] <Kartagis> THANKS!
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[17:53:08] <Elarcis> Kartagis: oh, it works?
[17:53:45] <Kartagis> the plunker does, but I haven't tried on my code yet
[17:54:05] <Kartagis> given I'm a noobie with angular...
[17:54:24] <Kartagis> I've to understand things
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[18:20:03] <uru> TIL that angular has baked in Hammer.js support :D
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[18:25:25] <Hal> Can anyone point me to some good resources for creating transition animations in ng?
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[20:22:11] <sweb> how can i server angular route 404 page instead redirect ?
[20:22:21] <sweb> any 404 solution for SPA app ?
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[20:39:03] <configurator> In other words, does it use hash routing or pushState?
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[20:41:09] <configurator> Okay, good
[20:42:12] <configurator> In that case, you only need to configure your router to redirect to e.g. /404 when a route is invalid; you'd also need to configure your controllers to redirect to /404 when given invalid parameters
[20:42:41] <configurator> For example, if you have urls such as /user/<user-id> then the router won't be able to know that /user/invalid-user-id is invalid
[20:43:01] <sweb> ok redirect to /404 means `Http 1.1 404` ? it's just SPA route not status 404
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[20:44:07] <configurator> As far as I know you won't be able to get an HTTP 404, because your server is (and has to be) defined to return the angular root page for all urls
[20:44:40] <wafflejock> yeah would need to otherwise duplicate the route config server side as well what's the use case?
[20:45:43] <wafflejock> only thing I can think of that might be problematic is search engines maybe but so long as they either process the AJAX like google or you prerender for other search engines then it effectively works
[20:46:45] <configurator> Wait, Google processes Angular routing and AJAX requests to figure out a complete page in SPAs?
[20:47:55] <configurator> I had no idea!
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[20:49:54] <wafflejock> yeah caught me off guard too but I had seen a while back some early tests people had done just to see if Google could/would crawl dynamic content and it works I still have the prerender service for things like facebook crawler
[20:50:30] <wafflejock> if someone shares a page on facebook or other social services their bots aren't so smart
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[21:10:49] <ngbot> angular.js/master b7ee5ee Peter Bacon Darwin: chore(jenkins): disable unit testing on Safari...
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[21:34:54] <WhatTheDilly> hi
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[21:48:14] <wafflejock> o/
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[22:11:00] <olivvv> hi. I am working on an app that uses webpack. It is confusing to not have "normal" DI
[22:11:26] <olivvv> I would like to do a fake backend with $httpBackend
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[22:11:35] <olivvv> but I dont know how to inject it
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[23:08:32] <omenius> hey I have async resolve function in my highest state (ui-router) that is abstract, but when it's child states also have resolve, they start before parent state's resolve is ready. Is this normal, any tips?
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[23:13:39] <omenius> adding the resolved thing as parameter to child resolce function
[23:13:40] <omenius> sure
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