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[00:10:43] <jaawerth> robdubya: the ng-attr thing? Yeah. I think it'll be easy to fix though. If I had to guess, I'd say jqlite's .attr uses setAttribute, which will follow whatever case you give it, and jquery's .attr (which defaults everything to lowercase) is overriding it
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[00:12:07] <jaawerth> that's assuming ng-attr is using jqlite/jq to do its thing, of course
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[00:20:09] <ngbot> [angular.js] petebacondarwin pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/V8ogmw
[00:20:09] <ngbot> angular.js/master 0f9fd2f Peter Bacon Darwin: test(input): split tests into smaller files...
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[00:26:54] <ngbot> [angular.js] petebacondarwin pushed 1 new commit to v1.3.x: http://git.io/GSl-tw
[00:26:54] <ngbot> angular.js/v1.3.x aee3293 Peter Bacon Darwin: test(input): split tests into smaller files...
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[01:07:17] <Sickness[]> hm jaawerth, I've moved a very basic version of my code to plunker and it's still the same
[01:07:18] <Sickness[]> :/
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[01:07:39] <Sickness[]> unbelievable I must be something very basic wrong then
[01:08:08] <stormbytes> merry xmas everyone
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[01:08:44] <Sickness[]> you too buddy
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[01:20:00] <jaawerth> Sickness[]: got a link? I've only got a few minutes, but I can take a look
[01:20:17] <Sickness[]> yeah sure
[01:20:22] <Sickness[]> I'll take the api url out though
[01:21:28] <Sickness[]> hm how do I share from plunker jaawerth?
[01:21:36] <Sickness[]> never used it before :x
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[01:23:04] <jaawerth> Sickness[]: Just hit save and then freeze (while logged in with a github account), then copy/paste the link
[01:23:21] <Sickness[]> http://plnkr.co/edit/fkXMua8jryEbS9zw1pa7?p=info
[01:23:24] <Sickness[]> is this working ?
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[01:27:42] <robdubya> Sickness[] if you use controller as syntax
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[01:28:02] <robdubya> then you shouln't use scope
[01:28:12] <robdubya> so you're sort of mixing and matching
[01:28:42] <Sickness[]> you mean this bit?
[01:28:42] <Sickness[]> <body ng-controller="CalendarController as agenda">
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[01:28:44] <Sickness[]> ?
[01:28:48] <robdubya> yep
[01:28:49] <Sickness[]> yeah
[01:29:02] <Sickness[]> its because I just started learning angular and I did talk to the agenda in the start
[01:29:09] <Sickness[]> then I switched to using $scope instead
[01:29:21] <Sickness[]> I'll remove it
[01:29:23] <Sickness[]> thanks :)
[01:29:51] <jaawerth> Sickness[]: so.. it's something to do with the fact that it's jsonp
[01:29:54] <jaawerth> http://plnkr.co/edit/9Ogr3nVElUpyP34SJmtM?p=preview
[01:29:56] <robdubya> if you DO use controller as (which imo is the recommended way)
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[01:30:12] <robdubya> then you need to do agenda.whatever.foobar
[01:30:17] <jaawerth> I added $http.get and it's got the header, but an $http.jsonp, no header
[01:30:40] <jaawerth> I've never really done much with jsonp, but given what I know about its purpose, that call may be stripping the header
[01:31:03] <jaawerth> robdubya's right, though (as an aside)
[01:31:16] <Sickness[]> oh damn
[01:31:26] <Sickness[]> well jsonp is the only way
[01:31:29] <Sickness[]> :x
[01:31:51] <Sickness[]> it never crossed my mind that, that would reset the header
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[01:35:18] <jaawerth> It's likely because JSONP is meant to more or less be the equivalent of the <script> tag
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[01:35:27] <jaydubya> hey, robdubya. Do you remember working with me on your "MyAPI" factory (to replace my $http.get().then(function(res){ res.data.data } confusion?
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[01:35:54] <Sickness[]> yeah I'm just reading up about it jaawerth, apparently its impossible to modify headers on jsonp requests
[01:36:33] <Sickness[]> so strange that the company suggested I should and only provides jsonp
[01:36:34] <robdubya> yeah vaguely jaawerth
[01:36:36] <robdubya> err jaydubya
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[01:36:46] <jaawerth> there's usually ways to override that stuff, but you'd likely have to use $http(config) instead of the jsonp convenience function
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[01:36:58] <jaawerth> ..I think
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[01:37:15] <jaawerth> Sickness[]: does your API really use jsonp AND require auth headers?
[01:37:15] <robdubya> that's weird it would reset the headers
[01:37:35] <jaawerth> jaydubya: you're killing me!
[01:37:40] <jaawerth> lol
[01:37:46] <jaydubya> I am spending the holidays moving to multiple modules and I was just wondering if you would put that factory into ARM, ARM.core, or ARM.loans?
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[01:37:53] <jaydubya> jaawerth: I make you popular!
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[01:38:05] <robdubya> assuming you're importing core into most things, there
[01:38:16] <robdubya> orrr just make another ARM.api module :)
[01:38:35] <Sickness[]> well the documentation sent to me suggests so
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[01:40:28] <jaydubya> robdubya: I'm still trying to figure out WHAT goes into core (using J. Papa's styleguide as a model) ... so, apparently nothing goes into ARM except the other models , eh?
[01:41:22] <robdubya> dont treat it as dogma, IMO. its a guide.
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[01:42:50] <jaydubya> I just need a model to mimic ... I got to the point where I had 89 controllers in an angular/controllers folder and realized I needed structure to maintain this behemoth
[01:43:29] <robdubya> i think of it as "layers" really
[01:43:50] <robdubya> a more or less empty ARM module that a) brings in all the others and b) i do config stuff there typically
[01:43:51] <jaawerth> Sickness[]: probably the easiest workaround would be to set up an http interceptor that attaches the header for jsonp calls
[01:44:07] <jaawerth> well not the "easiest" but it would definitely work!
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[01:44:45] <jaawerth> I still find it odd that your API would be doing that, though
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[01:45:11] <jaydubya> authentication would go into ARM or ARM.core
[01:45:33] <jaawerth> anyway, gotta go! later!
[01:45:58] <jaydubya> jaawerth: you can't go, so many people want to talk to me through you ... LOLOL
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[01:47:40] <Sickness[]> thanks for the help jaawerth!
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[01:47:51] <Sickness[]> this set me on the right path
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[01:58:41] <Siraris> Is it possible to test functions defined in directives using Jasmine?
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[01:59:04] <Siraris> I see tons of examples on testing directive templates, but what if i want to write a unit test for a function defined in a link function in the directive
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[02:32:06] <jaydubya> can you grunt and gulp in the same project?
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[03:06:56] <ngbot> [angular.js] jesselpalmer pushed 1 new commit to materialize: http://git.io/gc7Wrw
[03:06:56] <ngbot> angular.js/materialize e88dc2a Jesse Palmer: docs(app): deletes icon...
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[03:33:14] <katsh> sometimes i see custom directives returning an object, and sometimes a function.whats the difference
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[03:53:28] <wafflej0ck> jaydubya: you could, but why would you? seems like so much overlap it's better to just pick one and go with it
[03:53:41] <wafflej0ck> katsh: examples?
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[03:54:51] <jaydubya> wafflej0ck: agreed but I have everything in Gulp and just came across grunt-angular-architecture-graph
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[03:55:51] <wafflej0ck> jaydubya: maybe an opportunity for you to learn to make a gulp plugin and port it over if no-one else has made the effort yet
[03:56:24] <drag0nius> katsh:  i'm not 100% sure but probably function returns the object and gets evaluated first
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[03:56:28] <katsh> wafflej0ck: saw this: http://jsfiddle.net/sebmade/swfjT/light/, but then after reading the angular docs, they recommed returning an object
[03:56:33] <drag0nius> katsh:  object can't have dependencies, function can
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[03:57:25] <wafflej0ck> katsh: so in the thing you dropped believe they're just using a shorthand for defining only a link function and using defaults for the rest of the properties that would normally be on the directive definition object you return
[03:57:46] <jaydubya> wafflej0ck: LOL, thanks for your confidence in me but ...
[03:57:57] <katsh> alright
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[03:58:06] <katsh> thanks. lots of googling inc
[03:58:35] <wafflej0ck> jaydubya: heh well who knows maybe easier than you think haven't seen that grunt task so not sure how complex it is or would be to port
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[03:58:47] <wafflej0ck> or how hard it would be to port *
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[04:00:11] <jaydubya> wafflej0ck: seems pretty complex but also seems very cool -- https://github.com/lucalanca/grunt-angular-architecture-graph/
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[04:01:53] <jaydubya> wafflej0ck: there's actually a port request in the issues and the developer suggests to use gulp-grunt (so you can run grunt tasks within gulp).
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[04:03:00] <wafflej0ck> hmm good to know
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[04:03:29] <wafflej0ck> yeah the source doesn't look terribly complex but I'm still green to making plugins for either as well, so there may be more to it that I'm not seeing
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[04:04:53] <jaydubya> great logo -- http://cl.ly/image/121V0r1T1D15
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[04:05:08] <wafflej0ck> heh
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[04:07:57] <jaydubya> just thinking that would be great for documentation
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[04:14:59] <fotoflo> hmm, i copied the second block in the answer here into one of my controllers, but no console logging happend - am i doing this wrong? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/21626357/angularjs-event-on-window-innerwidth-size-change
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[04:32:08] <katsh> do a lot of people find custom directives hard or am i straight nubcaking it
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[04:35:13] <wafflej0ck> katsh: it's one of the harder things to wrap your head around and has a lot of topics surrounding it so it's normal to find them difficult at first, but they are pretty powerful in the end
[04:35:27] <katsh> i noticed
[04:35:29] <katsh> thanks
[04:35:32] <wafflej0ck> katsh: in 2.0 it's one of the things that they're going to try and address (ugly directive definition)
[04:35:34] <wafflej0ck> np
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[04:37:14] <katsh> im reading e docs, and im at the section where the 'x' close the dialog box. but i don't see where close function is defined
[04:37:22] <katsh> https://docs.angularjs.org/guide/directive
[04:37:57] <katsh> looking at the example that has &onClose
[04:39:07] <wafflej0ck> katsh: ng-click="close()" in the template that calls 'close': '&onClose'
[04:39:08] <katsh> ngclick calls close(), which calls onClose, which hidesDealog?
[04:39:14] <wafflej0ck> katsh: yup
[04:39:26] <katsh> i see
[04:39:28] <wafflej0ck> onClose is just a external name close is the internal name
[04:39:37] <katsh> ah yes
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[04:40:33] <wafflej0ck> with the & it calls the function in whatever scope it was in originally not within the directives scope... it's the same thing ngClick uses internally and other directives that let you pass a "scoped" function
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[04:41:18] <wafflej0ck> ng-keyup ng-blur etc.
[04:41:20] <katsh> somewhat understood. gonna have to reread this page a few
[04:41:23] <katsh> thanks
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[04:43:32] <wafflej0ck> katsh: np good to go through the docs you're looking at initially and when you start tinkering with it also uses this page for reference details https://docs.angularjs.org/api/ng/service/$compile
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[04:43:55] <wafflej0ck> use*
[04:44:22] <katsh> bookmarked
[04:44:50] <katsh> now, i got what i was trying to get working, working
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[04:45:04] <kiran> hi
[04:45:14] <wafflej0ck> cool
[04:45:15] <katsh> however, few days ago robdubya showed me a custom directive but he approached it a different way
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[04:45:29] <wafflej0ck> robdubya does things differently :P
[04:45:46] <katsh> yeah. here'the comparison http://tabbit.org/6s5Loq
[04:45:53] <katsh> i was initially trying to do what he did
[04:45:57] <kiran> i have a question i am having hardluck in fixing this
[04:46:02] <kiran> can anyone help me?
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[04:46:23] <katsh> he put controller: ... in the return object
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[04:46:49] <katsh> in my html element (input field), i was tryi8ng to do the same, and bind the value of the input field to the $scope.search
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[04:47:41] <katsh> anyway, ignore it
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[04:47:59] <katsh> i will probably try to rewrite robs custom in the fashion of angular's doc (link function)
[04:48:33] <wafflej0ck> katsh: yeah so... really controller IMO for directives should just have stuff to expose to other directives defined in it like the panel example in the docs, typically I do the rest of the business in the (post) link function
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[04:49:15] <katsh> wafflej0ck: robs version alters a factory. is that what you mean?
[04:49:19] <katsh> which is shared by other controllers
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[04:52:20] <wafflej0ck> eh really not sure why he would have set it up that way, typically do all your data manipluation work in factories/services, a directive can either have a service injected directly into it if you don't mind coupling the two parts or else if you want to make the directive more reusable (with different data sources possibly) then you can just use binding to get the data into the directive instead of injecting factories/services
[04:53:04] <wafflej0ck> katsh: typically my directives just do things like setup event listeners on DOM elements or execute some library code that generates/modifies some DOM
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[04:54:31] <katsh> alright
[04:54:37] <katsh> so i guess it really depends on the person
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[04:54:44] <wafflej0ck> katsh: directives should be used to extend/expose behaviors (event bindings) or to do stuff to the view
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[04:54:55] <katsh> although i do find the way he did it simple to understand
[04:55:10] <katsh> load a template, give it a controller, manipulate data there. all self contained
[04:55:19] <wafflej0ck> katsh: I dunno I think robdubya would agree with me on this perhaps he was just trying to get you to a solution though, unfortunately not here to say
[04:55:40] <katsh> alright
[04:56:17] <katsh> not a big deal. :)
[04:56:34] <wafflej0ck> yeah not a deal breaker either way just good to think about
[04:57:09] <wafflej0ck> keep your stuff re-usable and de-coupled as much as possible when it makes sense or at least to know how to decouple things later
[04:57:40] <katsh> got it
[04:58:53] <CtrlAltDylan> Hey all, I'm a Laravel dev adding an angular SPA to my app
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[04:59:14] <CtrlAltDylan> can you chain .configs on an app declaration?
[04:59:26] <CtrlAltDylan> I keep getting problems trying to do so
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[05:01:11] <CtrlAltDylan> nvm got t
[05:01:12] <CtrlAltDylan> it
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[05:02:55] <CanyonMan> Does anybody have any opinions on expression parsers for javascript to make calculated data streams in my angular app
[05:02:59] <CanyonMan> jsepis one, Silent Matt is one
[05:03:28] <CanyonMan> from the documentation, jsep looks pretty good
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[05:08:14] <fotoflo> how do you make this kinda thing work? <li ng-repeat="user in users"><div ng-style="{ padding-top: 20px; : !$first }">
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[05:08:33] <fotoflo> that is, to make the padding-top 20px if its not the first el in the list
[05:09:16] <fotoflo> i dont really understand the syntax in there (what’s getting evaluated, etc)
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[05:09:33] <CanyonMan> ok first of all
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[05:09:38] <CanyonMan> forget the ng-style part for a bit
[05:09:41] <CanyonMan> it'll just be confusing.
[05:10:21] <CanyonMan> so when you do this:   <ul> <li ng-repeat="user in users">  Hello {{user}}  </li>  </ul>
[05:10:29] <CanyonMan> what it does is it makes as many <li> as you have users
[05:10:42] <CanyonMan> users comes from the scope ... basically the controller of whatever controls this
[05:10:45] <CanyonMan> so for instance
[05:10:48] <fotoflo> sure, with the ng-repeat directive
[05:10:55] <CanyonMan> scope.users = [   'chris', 'jane', ... }
[05:10:56] <CanyonMan> oh
[05:10:56] <fotoflo> im very familiar with that one :-)
[05:11:07] <CanyonMan> so were you specifically asking about the ng-style one?
[05:11:10] <fotoflo> yup
[05:11:18] <fotoflo> because ng-repeat provides $first
[05:11:22] <CanyonMan> oh so i as totally unhelpful
[05:11:24] <CanyonMan> ok
[05:11:27] <CanyonMan> yep it sure does
[05:11:33] <CanyonMan> so ng-style takes something like this:
[05:11:55] <CanyonMan> {     ugly:   x,    fat:   y   }
[05:12:08] <jaydubya> CtrlAltDylan: you two-timing IRC?
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[05:12:26] <CanyonMan> if x is true it adds the style
[05:12:30] <CanyonMan> well i'm used to ng-class
[05:12:36] <CanyonMan> if x is true it adds the first style
[05:12:40] <CanyonMan> if y is true it adds that second style
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[05:12:54] <fotoflo> so $first would be true right
[05:12:55] <fotoflo> ?
[05:13:02] <fotoflo> in the first element
[05:13:04] <fotoflo> of the repeater
[05:13:04] <CanyonMan> yeah
[05:13:59] <fotoflo> but this isnt working: ;-P <li ng-repeat="user in users"><div ng-style="{ padding-top: 20px; : !$first }">
[05:14:37] <fotoflo> oh should i put the style in singlequotes to make it a string
[05:14:45] <CanyonMan> Expression which evals to an object whose keys are CSS style names and values are corresponding values for those CSS keys.
[05:14:51] <CanyonMan> i don't know, but i don't think you can do that
[05:15:00] <CanyonMan> ng-style is expecting you are going to go like this:
[05:15:24] <CanyonMan> scope.myTerribleStyle = {   'padding-top': '20px" }
[05:15:40] <CtrlAltDylan> jaydubya haha two-timing is low balling it
[05:15:52] <CanyonMan> then in your code:   <div ng-style="myTerribleStyle">
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[05:16:27] <jaydubya> CtrlAltDylan: #angulajs and #laravel are my two channels as well
[05:16:27] <CanyonMan> maybe you could do
[05:16:45] <CtrlAltDylan> Would you say you're more of an angular dev than a larave?
[05:16:49] <CanyonMan> <div ng-style="$first ? myTerribleStyle : '' ">  i don't know
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[05:18:00] <jaydubya> CtrlAltDylan: unfortunately, I am a CodeIgniter escapee (with 6 years exp) with 4 months of Laravel exposure and about 6 weeks of Angular fumblings
[05:18:02] <CanyonMan> the thing is, i'd really do this in css.        .yourclass li:first-child {    padding-top: 20px;     }
[05:18:11] <CanyonMan> or maybe it's selecting on ul:first-child
[05:18:15] <CanyonMan> i suck at css
[05:18:47] <CtrlAltDylan> jaydubya: CodeIgniter is that different? Woof
[05:19:01] <CtrlAltDylan> I've been using Laravel for about a year and now I'm picking up angular
[05:19:16] <fotoflo> CanyonMan: thanks :-) seems none of the above is working though
[05:19:27] <fotoflo> also i want to be able to do it all inline
[05:19:33] <jaydubya> CtrlAltDylan: CodeIgniter is the definition of verbose ... 120 lines in CodeIgniter == 10 lines in Laravel
[05:19:49] <fotoflo> what do the {} do in the there?  evaluate an expression?
[05:19:49] <CtrlAltDylan> jaydubya: holy...
[05:20:09] <CtrlAltDylan> But is that to your advantage? Cause you know about the low level framework operations
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[05:21:28] <jaydubya> CtrlAltDylan: the most difficult adjustment was to stop thinking procedurally and take advantage of Laravel
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[05:23:13] <CtrlAltDylan> jaydubya: Gotcha, there are guys in my office that don't know OOP. They only know procedural
[05:23:29] <CtrlAltDylan> It's kind of scary cause the industry changes so fast
[05:23:43] <jaydubya> CtrlAltDylan: VERY scary
[05:23:47] <fotoflo> Basically i want to be able to describe a style as a string and give a boolean and apply that style if true, my imaganiary syntax would be: ng-style="{'border: 2 px solid green' : $first}">  ayone know how to do this?
[05:23:52] <CtrlAltDylan> I could just get comfortable with laravel + angular and next thing you know there's something else out there
[05:23:55] <CtrlAltDylan> making it obsolete
[05:24:09] <jaydubya> CtrlAltDylan: agreed
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[05:25:14] <jaydubya> CtrlAltDylan: CodeIgniter doesn't have Eloquent or any thing like it so mass injection errors and veiled joins etc was a manual process
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[05:25:50] <CtrlAltDylan> Geeze
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[05:26:14] <CtrlAltDylan> But still I can see the advantage over vanilla
[05:26:25] <katsh> it's weird that when you google angular autocomplete, you get shady results. but it's really not hard to do, looks like
[05:26:25] <CtrlAltDylan> At least there was some kind of standard
[05:26:29] <CanyonMan> fotoflo: it does work
[05:26:33] <CanyonMan> it's ugly as hell though
[05:26:35] <CanyonMan> see this
[05:26:40] <CanyonMan> http://plnkr.co/edit/tpl:rfqcl9AHEoJZEEJxyNn2?p=preview
[05:26:43] <CanyonMan> i just tried it for you
[05:26:59] <katsh> anyway, wafflej0ck , thanks for your help. custom directive being used in the search field: http://music.nou.pe :)
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[05:27:09] <jaydubya> CtrlAltDylan: LOLOL ... I went from "Dreamweaver PHP" to CodeIgniter and thought it was moving from lanterns to electricity
[05:27:25] <katsh> haha. DW php back in 04 05
[05:27:28] <katsh> the good days
[05:27:32] <CtrlAltDylan> lol whattt
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[05:27:45] <fotoflo> CanyonMan: am i crazy? i got a hello world app
[05:27:48] <katsh> back when we didnt even have PDO wrappers
[05:27:50] <CtrlAltDylan> Dude I've only known laravel v4
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[05:27:54] <jaydubya> CtrlAltDylan: and then moving from CodeIgniter to Laravel was like having an out house to indoor plumbing
[05:27:54] <CanyonMan> really?  hang on
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[05:27:55] <CtrlAltDylan> vanilla first of course
[05:27:57] <katsh> broken mysql queries everywhere
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[05:28:09] <CanyonMan> oh nuts why didn't it save it
[05:28:09] <CanyonMan> hang on
[05:28:28] <CtrlAltDylan> Hahah
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[05:28:45] <CanyonMan> fotoflo: hmm  http://plnkr.co/edit/LS83Ha?p=info        ?
[05:28:54] <CtrlAltDylan> I think you had to know more
[05:28:59] <CtrlAltDylan> Back then I mean
[05:29:13] <CtrlAltDylan> like low level sql queries and javascript
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[05:29:17] <CanyonMan> fotoflo: or i can just tell you since it's just one line.  The magic is:  <span ng-style="$first ? { 'color': 'red' } : {}">{{star}}</span>
[05:29:23] <fotoflo> i see it
[05:29:31] <fotoflo> whats the end of the tertiary? an empty style?
[05:29:36] <CanyonMan> yep
[05:29:36] <CtrlAltDylan> know we're spoiled. We have ORM's and a pleothora of js frameworks
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[05:29:45] <CanyonMan> an empty object really, which it turns into an empty style
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[05:30:37] <fotoflo> nice
[05:30:38] <fotoflo> thx
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[05:32:22] <jaydubya> CtrlAltDylan: My first website was classic asp written by hand in notepad
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[05:32:49] <katsh> was that in 1999-2001?
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[05:34:58] <katsh> I still see some sites in coldfusion
[05:35:11] <CtrlAltDylan> Is it still online?
[05:35:25] <jaydubya> CtrlAltDylan: 1994 and NOOO
[05:35:29] <CtrlAltDylan> hahah
[05:35:55] <jaydubya> I started it the day after Netscape Navigator hit the shelves at Egghead Software
[05:35:58] <CtrlAltDylan> I could barely talk in 1994
[05:36:10] <katsh> i was 11
[05:36:41] <CtrlAltDylan> I vaguely remember the first computer my parents had. It definitely ran dos
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[05:37:00] <katsh> your dad was a DOS guy?
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[05:37:15] <CtrlAltDylan> nah but that was the consumer level stuff
[05:37:22] <jaydubya> I was coaching at Rhodes College and when NN was sold, the admins of the college decided they needed a website so they assigned several of us to do each applicable section ... LOL no standards and no consistency. Since I was coaching a "minor" sport, I got tagged
[05:37:29] <CtrlAltDylan> trying to remember the name of the game I would play
[05:37:46] <katsh> pong
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[05:38:06] <jaydubya> LOLOL, my first computer was a Timex Sinclair sold at a K&B drugstore for $39.99
[05:38:10] <CtrlAltDylan> OVERKILL
[05:38:18] <CtrlAltDylan> omg that was my shit
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[05:38:36] <CtrlAltDylan> cause I knew how to change the directory to that folder and run the .exe for teh game
[05:39:08] <jaydubya> and use the arrow keys???
[05:39:26] <CtrlAltDylan> Yea I was like smart
[05:39:31] <katsh> lol
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[05:39:50] <CtrlAltDylan> spacebar too
[05:39:54] <CtrlAltDylan> the whole shabang
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[05:40:12] <katsh> breh. 1998 when AOL chat rooms were the internet
[05:40:13] <jaydubya> lol, I remember the night I decided to "change my life" and bought the Commodore 64 WITH the cassette tape drive!!!!
[05:40:19] <katsh> you know i was all up in there digitalimp15
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[05:41:12] <CtrlAltDylan> really shelling out those dollars
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[05:41:38] <katsh> arent those considered vintage now? ie, classics
[05:41:40] <katsh> ie, $$
[05:41:52] <CtrlAltDylan> truu
[05:41:59] <jaydubya> it was like $449 for the package and I had to get a store credit card to pay for it by the month
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[05:42:23] <katsh> you still have it?
[05:42:24] <CtrlAltDylan> if yours doesn't have some primitive usenet worm bs on it
[05:43:09] <jaydubya> then two years later I bought a Lisa on the DAY it was released to the public for $6,999
[05:43:32] <katsh> damn
[05:43:48] <jaydubya> I don't have any of my old equipment because I always sold it/traded it in to upgrade --- who didn't do that, LOL
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[05:43:54] <katsh> how'd you go to monthly payments to get a $500 commodore, to a 7,000 computer in 2yes?
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[05:44:03] <katsh> thats a huge life upgrade
[05:44:07] <CtrlAltDylan> Ok guys
[05:44:12] <CtrlAltDylan> I'm spent
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[05:44:25] <CtrlAltDylan> I would love to hear your versions of the old school
[05:44:31] <CtrlAltDylan> (pun totally intended) but I'm out
[05:44:36] <katsh> same
[05:44:40] <CtrlAltDylan> merry xmas
[05:44:43] <katsh> gotta fly in 4hrs
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[05:44:48] <jaydubya> went from being a night receptionist at a church during college to being a teacher/coach
[05:44:55] <katsh> ah i see
[05:45:04] <CtrlAltDylan> nightttt
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[05:45:08] <jaydubya> good night, guys
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[07:28:40] <Suman> Hello
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[07:30:25] <Suman> When are we geeting angularjs2.0 release
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[07:46:08] <zumba_ad_> what is the difference between these 2 codes? var origdata1 = angular.copy(data1);   versus var origdata1 = data1;
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[08:13:03] <wafflej0ck> zumba_ad_: angular.copy empties an object or array and repopulates it with the data from the src, in the way you're showing it used I believe it will just return a new object or array with the same elements/properties "in" it but would be a different object/array itself
[08:13:24] <zumba_ad_> got it
[08:13:34] <zumba_ad_> hey, found our you are in Chicago
[08:13:37] <zumba_ad_> out^
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[08:14:16] <wafflej0ck> yup indeed, just at the edge of the city, official Oak Park, but can walk two blocks and be in Chicago
[08:14:25] <wafflej0ck> officially*
[08:14:49] <zumba_ad_> :D
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[08:15:32] <yoonchee> how can i wire angular resource to filter by what’s in url parameter?
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[08:15:43] <zumba_ad_> i work in downtown for more than 4 yrs now. I'm tired going there since one way is 1hr 50mins
[08:15:59] <zumba_ad_> I live in Huntley
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[08:16:24] <yoonchee> e.g., if url is /portfolio/?objective=1 then it only queries objects that have objective equals to 1
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[08:21:08] <wafflej0ck> yoonchee: $resource just gives you a way to interact with and define interactions with a RESTful API it's up to you to implement the server side filtering
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[08:21:41] <yoonchee> yup on ther server side I have the api that supports ?q=condition
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[08:22:07] <wafflej0ck> zumba_ad_: yeah commuting to the city from anywhere is pretty much a pain, from here I just have to hop the green line though, two block walk then 25min train ride to the loop, but right now just work at home
[08:22:09] <yoonchee> so my rest api can serve something like api/videos/?objective=2
[08:22:26] <zumba_ad_> nice wafflej0ck
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[08:22:38] <yoonchee> but my question is how am i going to pull that ‘objective=2’ in url to resource query...
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[08:23:07] <wafflej0ck> yoonchee: typically my resource definitions look like this var invoiceResource = $resource(baseURL+'invoices/:id', {id:'@id'});
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[08:23:53] <yoonchee> wafflej0ck: hm… okay thanks let me try!
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[08:27:03] <yoonchee> so i now get that :id parameter part, but how can I pull that parameter from my url??
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[08:28:48] <yoonchee> I have a factory that can take parameters… now how do i pass in that parameter?
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[08:32:21] <wafflej0ck> yoonchee: don't think I follow... can you show yer code?
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[08:32:54] <yoonchee> thanks for tuning in :) let me summarize what I am trying to do in high level first…
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[08:33:28] <yoonchee> 1. I have a page where I show list of videos pulled from a rest api.
[08:33:55] <yoonchee> 2. I have a select input where I can specify a filter option, e.g., objective of the video.
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[08:34:34] <yoonchee> 3. When an objective is selected, I would like angular to retrieve the new filtered list from rest api. (in ajax)
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[08:35:09] <yoonchee> it’s kind of similar to what’s being done here: https://www.behance.net/search?field=49&content=projects&sort=appreciations&time=week
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[08:37:26] <yoonchee> if it were purely server-side, I would have written url patterns that will take the parameters and wire them to correct api calls.
[08:37:52] <yoonchee> now it’s mixed with client-side, i am somewhat lost on the day of christmas ;(
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[08:46:38] <yoonchee> so it’s like applying the expression filter not at the expression level (after data is loaded) but at the api query level
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[09:02:53] <wafflej0ck> yoonchee: okay so for the client side part you'll want to use $stateParams, or $routeParams or $location.search depending on exactly what you're trying to pull off of the URL then you'd want to make a call through a function on your factory (grabbing routeparams or whatever in a controller) to load up the appropriate data (make the server side call and do any client side filtering/setting up the model)
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[09:03:44] <yoonchee> hm… so i have to pull the stuff from url using something like $location.search …
[09:04:12] <yoonchee> coz that feels a bit like jumping through the hoops to me
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[09:04:14] <wafflej0ck> yoonchee: yeah that and/or $stateParams with ui-router or $routeParams with ngRoute
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[09:04:50] <wafflej0ck> yoonchee: well ultimately it's going to need to deal with client side routing and then it's going to need to fetch the data so I really don't see a better way around it
[09:05:10] <wafflej0ck> yoonchee: it is a bit of hoop jumping but don't see a way around it with the SPA/AJAX architecture
[09:05:37] <yoonchee> i see i see… I guess then going the router route is better than parsing the url
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[09:06:16] <wafflej0ck> yoonchee: yeah for known parameters that's a better way to go but for things that can be arbitrarily added you might be better off with $location.search()
[09:07:24] <yoonchee> okay thanks a lot for the insight! i think i have to rethink how things interact… and analyze pro/cons of each approach
[09:08:37] <wafflej0ck> np
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[10:34:01] <saucey> merry christmas alln
[10:34:03] <saucey> all
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[10:38:44] <stormbytes> back at you saucey
[10:38:51] <saucey> hey
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[10:39:16] <saucey> u know much about compile
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[11:17:33] <stormbytes> i know this isn't #javascript but i think everyone's gone to bed there! I'm trying to grab the values of 2 text fields with the click of a button. Its a very specific situation -- http://jsbin.com/voheho/2/watch?html,js,output
[11:17:48] <stormbytes> i'd like to know if this is even possible.
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[11:25:02] <TheAceOfHearts> anyone here good at css :P?
[11:25:47] <zomg> yes
[11:26:02] <zomg> depends on which parts I guess
[11:26:02] <zomg> ÖP
[11:26:07] <zomg> * :P
[11:26:37] <TheAceOfHearts> so
[11:26:49] <TheAceOfHearts> https://www.dropbox.com/s/53hcr8wqd90wiq2/Screenshot%202014-12-25%2002.26.35.png?dl=0 I have this~ and I can't figure out why the pre has all that extra space at the bottom :'|
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[11:28:01] <TheAceOfHearts> any ideas?
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[11:31:22] <wafflej0ck> TheAceOfHearts: can you make this live somewhere
[11:31:56] <TheAceOfHearts> sure
[11:31:57] <TheAceOfHearts> https://cesarandreu.ngrok.com/posts/form_validation_with_angularjs_and_rails
[11:32:02] <zomg> TheAceOfHearts: most likely one of the elements inside the pre has some margin/padding which does that
[11:32:10] <wafflej0ck> stormbytes: if you can select the element document.getElementById("someElement").value
[11:32:18] <TheAceOfHearts> it happens with all the pre's :(
[11:32:48] <stormbytes> wafflej0ck so i def need in id# somewhere eh?
[11:32:54] <zomg> hmm strange
[11:33:02] <wafflej0ck> TheAceOfHearts: /* height: calc(90%); */ is causing a problem
[11:33:15] <TheAceOfHearts> oh lol, that was just me playing around
[11:33:18] <wafflej0ck> TheAceOfHearts: if I toggle that on then off it goes away
[11:33:31] <TheAceOfHearts> try refreshing :P
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[11:33:41] <wafflej0ck> stormbytes: either that or jquery selectors or something of the sort
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[11:34:10] <stormbytes> alright i'll play around with it... thanks!
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[11:35:33] <zomg> I see the problem
[11:35:42] <zomg> You have extra linebreaks inside it
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[11:35:56] <zomg> the last </code> and </pre> have some linebreaks before them
[11:36:10] <zomg> and since pre's formatting is affected by that, it shows up as empty space
[11:36:16] <TheAceOfHearts> Hmm, I see
[11:36:29] <TheAceOfHearts> lame D:
[11:36:53] <zomg> You shouldn't really need the outer wrapping pre I think
[11:36:58] <zomg> just the inner one which has the code
[11:37:10] <zomg> unless there's some reason for the outer one that isn't visible on this page
[11:37:11] <TheAceOfHearts> it just gets added by marked; I might be able to remove it though
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[11:37:55] <TheAceOfHearts> but sweet
[11:37:58] <TheAceOfHearts> at least now I know what it is :D
[11:37:59] <TheAceOfHearts> ty
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[11:38:28] <zomg> np
[11:38:57] <zomg> when you run out of css options for the cause, it's useful to remember that inline elements and pre's are affected by whitespace in certain cases which can cause random looking issues like this
[11:40:02] <TheAceOfHearts> yeah, I hadn't even thought about it tbh
[11:40:16] <zomg> yeah I never think about it at first either =)
[11:40:34] <wafflej0ck> yea depends on how long it's been since I last used a pre :)
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[11:41:06] <zomg> sometimes it can happen with display: inline els too
[11:41:21] <zomg> which is a bit annoying when you're trying to make your HTML formatted nicely and then you have to break it because of some rendering issue
[11:41:24] <zomg> :D
[11:42:10] <wafflej0ck> yeah definitely a bummer with regard to forcing you to make uglier markup
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[11:43:15] <wafflej0ck> had some crazy problems with writing a directive to deal with encoding the <> symbols got it working but had to use a <script> tag so the HTML parser would ignore them
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[12:03:07] <TheAceOfHearts> https://www.dropbox.com/s/5yy8vrtwwwbt2iv/Screenshot%202014-12-25%2003.03.01.png?dl=0 wafflej0ck, zomg :D
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[12:09:51] <TheAceOfHearts> it worked lol
[12:09:53] <TheAceOfHearts> I'm so happy, ty
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[12:59:00] <ocx> hi
[12:59:12] <ocx> what do you think of the book called angularjs essentials?
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[12:59:17] <ocx> i got it as a gift
[13:00:22] <ocx> PackT
[13:00:26] <ocx> please sahare your thoughtds
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[13:32:24] <Sid_> do i have to ask my question here?
[13:34:04] <ocx> what do you think of the book called angularjs essentials?
[13:34:04] <ocx> what do you think of the book called angularjs essentials?
[13:34:05] <ocx> what do you think of the book called angularjs essentials?
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[13:36:25] <gourav> hekk
[13:36:28] <gourav> hello
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[13:36:48] <gourav> any one there
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[13:38:16] <gourav> hello
[13:38:23] <gourav> help
[13:38:24] <gourav> help
[13:39:21] <TheAceOfHearts> stop spamming
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[14:02:44] <ytsejam> Good day, I use yeoman angular generator. I have a bootstrapper "$.ajax({method: 'GET', type: 'json', url: 'api/v1/auth/csrf_token'})" which get csrf token .. but jshint gives errors : "'$' is not defined."
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[14:03:18] <ytsejam> any solution to this?
[14:03:45] <ytsejam> or I just need to  use grunt --force to ignore it
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[14:06:05] <FoobarJS> look at jshint.org
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[14:08:45] <ytsejam> FoobarJS, looking at it. I understand the idea I guess, I need to export them
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[14:09:11] <FoobarJS> there is a property called "jquery" IIRC
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[14:21:31] <ciao> ciao
[14:21:39] <ciao> !list
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[14:29:41] <FoobarJS> !list
[14:30:42] <jumpstracks> !
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[14:37:11] <ytsejam> I have a problem with connecting to API .. I am sending a request to my api to get CSRF_TOKEN and then starting application with my bootstrap.js file. After I want to check if user is logged in or answer is 401 , then I need to redirect to ('/login'). I can get the answer 401 , application stops but it does not redirect to 'login'. can you help me ?  here is my plunker http://plnkr.co/edit/cNNdapKhVJYm2XiabsQN?p=preview . Dont know how to add api to i
[14:37:11] <ytsejam> t
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[14:41:15] <vonnegut> merry christmas!
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[14:41:27] <vonnegut> (if you celebrate christmas that is)
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[14:46:23] <ocx> what do you think of the book called angularjs essentials?
[14:46:23] <ocx> what do you think of the book called angularjs essentials?
[14:46:53] <Foxandxss> no idea
[14:46:55] <Foxandxss> link?
[14:48:34] <Foxandxss> ytsejam: I don't have too much time to look but $.ajax  is wrong
[14:48:39] <Foxandxss> there is a $http service on angular
[14:48:56] <Foxandxss> and there is no need to ask for CSRF if you configure your backend in a certain way (check $http doc of angular)
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[14:51:43] <FishErr> if i need provide HTTP auth headers to every $http request i must write something like that:  https://gist.github.com/adnan-i/5014277 ?
[14:52:04] <FishErr> myApp.value('http_defaults', {    timeout: 150  }); - timeout example
[14:52:13] <FishErr> ...       $http.get("/home", http_defaults) ...
[14:52:33] <Foxandxss> check http interceptors
[14:52:35] <ytsejam> Foxandxss, thanks ıt was a route fault in laravel I put the 401 filter wrong where
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[14:52:39] <Foxandxss> where you can add headers in every request
[14:53:24] <ytsejam> Foxandxss, I found the error by your help
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[14:55:31] <ocx> Foxandxss: http://www.amazon.com/AngularJS-Essentials-Rodrigo-Branas-ebook/dp/B00MXS4ZB2
[14:55:38] <ocx> what do you guys think of this book http://www.amazon.com/AngularJS-Essentials-Rodrigo-Branas-ebook/dp/B00MXS4ZB2
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[14:56:46] <greengriminal> ocx, you can get that same book for: https://www.packtpub.com/web-development/angularjs-essentials
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[14:57:06] <greengriminal> I wouldn't pay $18 for it when i can get it for $5
[14:57:10] <ocx> greengriminal: yes but it is good?
[14:57:35] <greengriminal> I haven't got it.
[14:57:53] <Foxandxss> ocx: calm down, there is no need to repeat everything twice
[14:58:20] <Foxandxss> packt is a lottery, some are meh, other are crap
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[14:58:33] <ocx> Foxandxss: can you rewad it and tell me if it is good?
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[14:58:44] <Foxandxss> read it?
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[14:59:20] <ocx> read it yes
[14:59:26] <ocx> the outline
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[14:59:35] <Foxandxss> read it yourself
[14:59:38] <Foxandxss> and make your own opinion
[14:59:56] <Foxandxss> maybe I read it but because I already know angular, I can feel it is good but maybe for a newbie it is crap
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[15:01:13] <ocx> Foxandxss: if i read it i dont understand anything
[15:01:19] <ocx> so i want an expert to do so and advise me what book
[15:01:38] <Foxandxss> if I read it, that won't make your lecture easier
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[15:02:13] <Foxandxss> and reading a book needs lots of hours
[15:02:23] <ocx> i said i want an advise if i should read it or exchange it!
[15:02:24] <Foxandxss> I won't waste my team so you can read "safely"
[15:02:40] <Foxandxss> s/team/time
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[15:03:04] <Foxandxss> there are a couple of opinions on the amazon page
[15:03:31] <ocx> .....
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[15:17:25] <borko> Hey Friends, I need little help with $http. Can anyone help me?
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[15:18:44] <Cronoh> we'll never know until you ask borko :o
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[15:24:37] <ytsejam> borko , what is the question?
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[15:25:45] <borko> ytsejam, can I send u pm?
[15:26:10] <ytsejam> btw, how do you handle flash messages , first the page loads I see {{flash}} after it is lost and corrected ?
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[15:26:33] <ytsejam> borko, sure no problem but I am not very experienced will try to help
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[15:26:37] <Foxandxss> borko: better ask in public, other can help
[15:27:10] <Foxandxss> btw ytse jam is a real good song
[15:27:13] <ytsejam> borko, yes better if I cant help others will help also
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[15:27:59] <borko> ok, im affraid that my text will be long for public, but ok
[15:28:10] <ytsejam> Foxandxss, yes nice and groovy
[15:29:41] <borko> I have .json file, and controller var myApp = angular.module('app1',[]);  myApp.controller('appController', ['$scope', '$http',  	function($scope, $http) { 		$scope.studenti = null; 		$http.get('studenti.json').success (function(data){ 				$scope.studenti = data; 		}); 	}]);
[15:29:44] <Foxandxss> I have it on my DT playlist
[15:30:01] <Foxandxss> dont paste code here
[15:30:11] <Foxandxss> even if it is a pm
[15:30:13] <Foxandxss> you can't read it
[15:30:21] <Foxandxss> there are zillions of pages for that purpose
[15:30:26] <Foxandxss> gist / pastebin / etc
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[15:34:49] <borko> Foxandxss, im new here, so forgive me this time.
[15:34:53] <borko> http://pastebin.com/RFVd8zcG
[15:35:03] <borko> i wrote my code here
[15:35:24] <borko> i cant show json data in html
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[15:36:12] <Foxandxss> that should work
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[15:37:02] <borko> Thats why I came here. It is not working for me...
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[15:37:32] <Cronoh> borko whats happening to the ajax request?
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[15:37:43] <Foxandxss> you could try to set a plunker (check topic)
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[15:43:22] <borko> im not sure, i've just tried to run this localy...
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[15:43:58] <borko> opening index.html in Chrome...
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[15:47:19] <Cronoh> look at the ajax request to see if it request the json file properly and getting it back borko
[15:47:26] <Cronoh> basic first step to debugging
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[15:50:28] <ytsejam> pastebin is blocked in my country what a shame
[15:51:41] <naquad> is there something special about select multiple? it shows my options and allows me to choose item, but drops selection immediately
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[15:52:47] <Foxandxss> ytsejam: how so?
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[15:53:34] <ytsejam> you remember wikileaks? some of them were put in pastebin and our clever government blocked pastebin.. living in Turkey is another miracle
[15:53:46] <Foxandxss> I see
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[15:57:15] <ytsejam> borko it works ?
[15:57:30] <ytsejam> I dont see a problem with plunkr
[15:59:48] <borko> ytsejam, it's not working. I cant figure whats going on.
[15:59:49] <vonnegut> what is the thinking in making use of both input name and ngmodel for defining scope? and why does validation require the use of the name attribute instead of the model attribute?
[15:59:58] <ytsejam> borko http://plnkr.co/edit/XKelHDC51l4V7KDDwgLb?p=preview
[16:00:09] <vonnegut> this article you guys led me to yesterday "http://www.yearofmoo.com/2014/09/taming-forms-in-angularjs-1-3.html"
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[16:00:27] <vonnegut> still uses the name field for the validation to key off of
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[16:01:28] <vonnegut> it would be nice just to use the ng-model attr as the one field to rule them all,  ie. the fields to submit to the rest post AND also to use prior to the post in form field validation
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[16:01:59] <vonnegut> am i thinking about this wrong? should i just get used to the idea of having duplicate fields in my scope?
[16:02:03] <vonnegut> one for name and one for model?
[16:02:37] <vonnegut> (seems like a terrible plan to me, but maybeim missing something)
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[16:04:21] <FoobarJS> depends
[16:05:02] <FoobarJS> name implies that $scope.form will have a [name] property
[16:05:21] <FoobarJS> using ngModel would give something like
[16:05:40] <FoobarJS> $scope.form[myControllerAlias.property]
[16:06:00] <FoobarJS> and im not even talking about nested properties
[16:06:22] <borko> ytsejam On Plnkr is working, locally is not working...
[16:06:47] <vonnegut> so, the approach i have been taking (not using name field for gathering up my inputs) is anti-angular?
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[16:07:04] <FoobarJS> cross origin maybe
[16:07:18] <FoobarJS> no it's anti html :x
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[16:07:38] <vonnegut> heh.
[16:07:50] <borko> I've also tought that could be cross origin...
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[16:07:53] <vonnegut> ok.. so, i need to embrace the name field?
[16:07:54] <FoobarJS> also a lot of applications are using the name attribute, independently of angular
[16:07:58] <FoobarJS> ex: form fillers
[16:08:10] <FoobarJS> or is it the id
[16:08:15] <FoobarJS> don't remember
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[16:08:54] <vonnegut> alright.. so, the vars in dom that get created in the form scope
[16:09:01] <vonnegut> under ngmodel
[16:09:12] <vonnegut> are duplicative of the ones that get created under name
[16:09:36] <vonnegut> ive been doing everything to this point with ng-model and managing a nice object hieracrhy etc
[16:09:43] <vonnegut> with the form and fields, etc.
[16:10:12] <vonnegut> but when i add name to the fields, i start getting duplicative names.
[16:10:37] <vonnegut> validation seems to want to use name.. and ngmodel is needed for 2 way binding..
[16:10:53] <vonnegut> it would be great just to use ngmodel for everything and not have any reliance on the name field
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[16:11:21] <vonnegut> but, your suggesting that i must abandon this thinking to be a better html citizen
[16:11:28] <FoobarJS> not necessarily
[16:11:32] <FoobarJS> again
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[16:12:12] <FoobarJS> my ngmodels for instance often look like "myCtrlAlias.property.subproperty.name" whereas my names are concise "objectName"
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[16:13:04] <FoobarJS> and yes, html4 is specifying the name attribute for a reason and everyone uses them, not only angular
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[16:14:16] <vonnegut> ok. so, maybe i need both.. one  (ngmodel) ill use for two way binding and actual posts to the rest api and name ill keep around for validation and html harmony
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[16:14:47] <mst> right, 'name' and 'ng-model' are two different things that happen, in simple cases, to often be similar
[16:15:02] <mst> it's only duplication until you need something different, and then it isn't :)
[16:15:28] <vonnegut> good point..
[16:15:56] <vonnegut> i have now sufficiently expanded my angular conciousness to feel good about moving forward with both name and ngmodel fields in my scope
[16:16:13] <vonnegut> thanks guys..  ill go to the code and see how it looks
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[16:20:44] <vonnegut> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/26439161/angularjs-validation-behaves-differently-for-1-3-0-and-1-2-6
[16:20:46] <vonnegut> interesting..
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[16:20:58] <vonnegut> looks like one can do this:
[16:21:16] <vonnegut> <input type="text" ng-model="newInput" id="{{id}}" name="{{name}}">
[16:21:45] <vonnegut> and get {{name}} from the directive programatically
[16:22:14] <vonnegut> (in 1.3)
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[16:57:22] <guy> https://docs.angularjs.org/guide/introduction
[16:57:23] <guy> "Grouping of HTML into reusable components."
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[16:57:35] <guy> I am assuming this is referring to directives?
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[17:01:05] <vonnegut> it sounds like  it to me, yes.
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[17:02:04] <vonnegut> you can, with directives, create a custom tag with custom attributes such as,   <guy question="asked"></guy>
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[17:02:24] <vonnegut> and it is encapsulated and re-usable
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[17:21:14] <IvanC> I am new to Angularjs, I want to know how scalable angularjs for large applications, because we know that an application could contain hundreds of js files that will be bootstrapped before application run, how good is angularjs for developing an application like amazon.com for example
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[17:21:24] <Gaurav_> hello everyone
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[17:22:45] <Gaurav_> I am a freelance webdeveloper using Java, JSP, SPring-MVC, Bootstrap to be specific....Is angular-js a good choice to go with?
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[17:26:53] <Foxandxss> people and patience
[17:27:54] <burzum> +1
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[17:30:24] <vonnegut> IvanC, Gaurav_  -- angular is a good choice for you both.
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[17:31:44] <vonnegut> i use angular with jboss and spring and its a pleasure to work with..  i am still learning angular (and there is much to learn in angular, its a deep subject) but every time you add a new function or pattern to the bag of tricks, it just makes angular that much beter to work with
[17:31:47] <vonnegut> so, there's my 2 cents
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[17:32:37] <vonnegut> as for scale,  i doubt you will see any issues on any scale since angular runs on the client side mostly.
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[17:33:17] <vonnegut> (entirely on the client side)
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[17:34:52] <optikalmouse> angularjs 1.4
[17:34:59] <optikalmouse> are there backwards incompatible changes?
[17:35:01] <optikalmouse> :S
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[17:35:10] <Foxandxss> like?
[17:35:20] <optikalmouse> I thought there was a break between 1.2 and 1.3?
[17:35:20] <optikalmouse> :S
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[17:36:00] <Foxandxss> well 1.4 could bring some BC, but nothing big
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[17:38:31] <nimomo> hi, why each time I update angular code (html and js code) and populate it to production F5 it's required in order to see the changes?
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[17:39:04] <Foxandxss> when you push changes, you need to refresh to page to grab the new changes
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[17:44:03] <FoobarJS> I had a problem with newest versions of angular
[17:44:11] <FoobarJS> so we stayed with 1.3.0 for the time being
[17:44:26] <FoobarJS> until there is a new killer feature such as controllerAs or bindonce
[17:44:31] <FoobarJS> no need to jump the gun
[17:44:55] <Foxandxss> controllerAs is not new
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[17:45:40] <guy> any known alternatives to ngmodules.org?
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[17:45:53] <Foxandxss> google
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[17:46:37] <guy> huh, thats beyond odd.
[17:46:58] <Foxandxss> wasn't sarcasm
[17:47:04] <vonnegut> isnt google the original author of ngModules
[17:47:06] <Foxandxss> I find every package I need using google
[17:47:07] <vonnegut> ?
[17:47:12] <Foxandxss> no
[17:47:12] <guy> vonnegut: no
[17:47:23] <Foxandxss> I put angular + xxx and I find packages
[17:47:25] <vonnegut> oh ok.
[17:47:28] <Foxandxss> never ever used ngmodules
[17:47:49] <guy> there was a proposal to create addons.angularjs.org though it did not receive a lot of attention
[17:48:03] <vonnegut> i though ng* was a google thing
[17:48:04] <nimomo> Foxandxss: what do you mean?
[17:48:17] <Foxandxss> nimomo: that google is a good place to find packages
[17:48:45] <nimomo> Foxandxss: I use template cache for aggregating the code withim min js file and also the html is going to templates.js file.
[17:48:56] <Foxandxss> oh sorry
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[17:49:00] <Foxandxss> the last message
[17:49:21] <Foxandxss> nimomo: you still need to push F5 so the browser will grab those new files
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[17:49:47] <nimomo> Foxandxss: sure thing. I didn't explain well.
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[17:49:55] <Foxandxss> probably
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[17:50:06] <nimomo> Foxandxss: I meant that I open a new window
[17:50:13] <nimomo> and then I enter to the application
[17:50:22] <nimomo> I still see the old templates
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[17:50:30] <nimomo> and the old mechanism
[17:50:40] <Foxandxss> cache issues probably
[17:50:41] <nimomo> and just after I make F5 it works
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[17:53:41] <nimomo> Foxandxss: I use that - gulp-angular-templatecache
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[17:53:50] <Foxandxss> it is not related to that
[17:53:57] <nimomo> so?
[17:54:06] <Foxandxss> your new tab is just loading an old file
[17:54:20] <mst> opening a new window is not enough to make the browser reload things.
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[17:54:55] <nimomo> I thought that if I use this package all is loaded from the new js files
[17:55:03] <nimomo> so what would you suggest?
[17:55:20] <Foxandxss> personally I only use one tab (so I just F5 it)
[17:55:28] <Foxandxss> and I have the cache disabled while I have the dev tools opened (chrome)
[17:55:31] <Foxandxss> never ran into issues
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[17:56:05] <nimomo> I mean that my app users open the application and see the old data
[17:56:08] <nimomo> not only me
[17:56:16] <Foxandxss> ah well
[17:56:24] <Foxandxss> for production, cache busting
[17:56:25] <nimomo> and I cannot tell them to open the dev tools :)
[17:56:40] <Foxandxss> for development, dev tools opened
[17:56:43] <Foxandxss> for production, cache busting
[17:56:51] <Foxandxss> the issue is that if you have a final "app.js"
[17:57:02] <Foxandxss> and you update your code and stuff but still serve "app.js"
[17:57:06] <mst> the usual approach is to do something like app.js?release_id=12345
[17:57:10] <Foxandxss> browser doesn't know that you updated the file
[17:57:17] <Foxandxss> same file name
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[17:57:29] <nimomo> yes, I have main.js file
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[17:57:34] <Foxandxss> so users will be forced to clean the cache so the file gets downloaded again
[17:57:36] <mst> nimomo: you shouldn't have to tell them to open the dev tools
[17:57:44] <mst> you should deploy the application in a way that fixes it
[17:57:47] <Foxandxss> well, you need to append a random string into the file name
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[17:57:58] <Foxandxss> for example main-123123.js
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[17:58:02] <Foxandxss> and the next time you deploy it
[17:58:06] <mst> that's wrong with the query param approach I already described?
[17:58:09] <Foxandxss> you put a different random number
[17:58:28] <Foxandxss> so the browser will see that the file changed (different name) and download it again
[17:58:34] <Foxandxss> mst: your approach works as well
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[17:58:43] <nimomo> the both approach are similar, not?
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[17:58:47] <Foxandxss> yes
[17:58:48] <nimomo> approaches
[17:58:48] <Foxandxss> same idea
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[17:59:04] <nimomo> how would you do it automatically?
[17:59:04] <mst> right, mine means you just build the release id into the top level file
[17:59:05] <Foxandxss> one uses the file name, the other a query string, both tells the browser that file changed
[17:59:13] <Foxandxss> nimomo: check gulp-rev since you're using gulp
[17:59:14] <mst> and then the rest of the deployment works the same
[17:59:15] <nimomo> I assume I have to change the file name every time
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[17:59:50] <Foxandxss> gulp-rev will append the string to the file
[18:00:03] <nimomo> checking, you're awesome
[18:00:04] <Foxandxss> the issue here is to automatically load the file
[18:00:09] <mst> I just generate my index.html from a template
[18:00:21] <Foxandxss> because if your index.html loads main.js
[18:00:37] <Foxandxss> now it is not main.js but main-123123123.js
[18:00:48] <Foxandxss> so yeah, I generate my index.html using a template as well
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[18:01:03] <Foxandxss> <script type="text/javascript" src="<%= js %>"></script>
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[18:01:18] <nimomo> mst: what do you mean here - "I just generate my index.html from a template"
[18:01:20] <Foxandxss> so my gulp task will automagically change that "<%= js %>" into the real name
[18:01:48] <mst> nimomo: um. exactly what I said.
[18:01:54] <mst> you've heard of templating systems, right?
[18:01:59] <Foxandxss> nimomo: having a index.html using a template engine (handlebars, lodash, etc) and generate a real index.html with it
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[18:03:55] <nimomo> Foxandxss: how does the gulp task change the text "<%= js %>" to the real file name?
[18:04:09] <Foxandxss> gulp-rev generates a manifest file
[18:04:15] <Foxandxss> which gives you the new main.js name
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[18:04:20] <Foxandxss> I read it, I change that
[18:04:26] <Foxandxss> my index.html is a lodash template
[18:04:34] <nimomo> mst: I'm sure that I'm familiar with that
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[18:04:37] <Foxandxss> and lodash uses that "<%= foo %>" syntax
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[18:04:51] <mst> nimomo: then I don't know what's confusing
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[18:05:01] <Foxandxss> nimomo: https://github.com/Foxandxss/fox-angular-gulp-workflow/blob/master/gulpfile.js#L98-L111
[18:05:22] <mst> when I'm building a release version of an application, I generate the ?rev_id=12345 bit, from the version that I'm deploying
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[18:08:05] <nimomo> I wil take a look
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[18:14:53] <nimomo> Foxandxss: Is it enough to create rev for the main.js file which is located in dist folder (it's the min js file was created from all the js files)
[18:14:54] <nimomo> ?
[18:15:13] <nimomo> * which was created
[18:15:13] <Foxandxss> you should do that with your css as well
[18:15:26] <Foxandxss> suffers the same problem :)
[18:15:29] <nimomo> what about the html?
[18:15:32] <nimomo> files
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[18:15:41] <Foxandxss> they are built-in inside main.js
[18:15:54] <mst> of course the other approach is to do
[18:15:55] <Foxandxss> it is the same package, so nothing to worry about
[18:16:02] <mst> static/1.23/js/
[18:16:07] <mst> static/1.23/css/
[18:16:17] <Foxandxss> indeed
[18:16:25] <Foxandxss> all it needs is a different file to grab
[18:16:32] <mst> I've never quite decided on one being superior to the other
[18:16:43] <mst> so I tend to end up with "whichever requires the least mucking about with my build system"
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[18:16:58] <mst> (because, y'know, no two projects ever have quite the same build system because that would be helpful ;)
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[18:17:50] <Foxandxss> yeah
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[18:17:57] <Foxandxss> I liked gulp-rev so I put that into my workflow
[18:18:07] <Foxandxss> I remember back on the asp.net mvc days
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[18:18:17] <Foxandxss> I did something like (I don't recall the syntax)
[18:18:32] <Foxandxss> "app.js?rev=" + new Date();
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[18:18:48] <nimomo> Foxandxss: see my gulp script - http://dpaste.com/1A6QRHV
[18:19:02] <numenor> new Date().getTime()
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[18:19:09] <Foxandxss> yeah, maybe that
[18:19:25] <nimomo> Foxandxss: it creates 2 js file - first for html and the second for the js
[18:19:33] <Foxandxss> nimomo: check the one I linked you before and try to match the idea
[18:20:17] <nimomo> ok
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[18:21:11] <mst> I find having a pervasive release number for every production deployment turns out to be really helpful
[18:21:23] <mst> I tend not to like using a datetime for it, because icky
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[18:31:03] <CanyonMan> my ng-jsep wrapper is working pretty well :-) :-) :-_)
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[18:32:56] <CanyonMan> you call:    var ast = $jsep.parse("1 + 2^3")    ;          var result is $jsep.eval(ast, context)
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[18:45:10] <fotoflo> good morning and merry holidays!
[18:45:34] <emacster> Merry Christmas! :D
[18:45:44] <fotoflo> :-)
[18:46:39] <emacster> Please help me decide whether or not to learn angularjs, as I heard it's getting a major overhaul in near future...
[18:46:48] <fotoflo> Anyone have experiance getting ngdocs up and running? I have an almost blank page (just says API Documentation and Search the docs) and angular crashing: http://appsocial.ly/images/aim/2014-12-25_0946.png
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[18:47:10] <fotoflo> Morning robdubya. Merry chrisshattuck
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[18:47:20] <chrisshattuck> Ha!!!
[18:47:23] <fotoflo> damnyouautocomplete
[18:47:28] <fotoflo> hehehe
[18:47:40] <numenor> :)
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[18:49:26] <emacster> is it possible/recommended to keep using angular 1.2 even after 2.0 is released?
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[18:50:10] <fotoflo> emacster: if you need to write powerful and fast webapps, angular is probably your best choice. Getting your brain bootstrapped takes some time, and I don’t know much about the upcoming 2.0 release, but I assume all the concepts and most of the stuff you learn on 1.3 wil continue to be valuable. and 1.3 will be supported for a few years after 2.0 is relelased
[18:50:37] <numenor> emacster , I believe so , since sooo many apps have been already built on it, it will sure be difficult to just dump it.
[18:50:57] <emacster> numenor: thought so!!
[18:51:11] <fotoflo> They said they will backport the 2.0 router to 1.3 as well
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[18:51:38] <emacster> they better :-)
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[18:52:05] <fotoflo> I wish they would document ngdocs better though :-)
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[18:52:39] <numenor> fotoflo +1 on that thought
[18:52:54] <Foxandxss> router will be backport to 1.4
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[18:53:20] <fotoflo> numenor: You get ngdocs working?
[18:53:36] <fotoflo> Foxandxss: ah that makes more sense
[18:53:56] <numenor> fotoflo ... lemme see
[18:54:13] <numenor> need to disable cache first
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[18:54:50] <fotoflo> numenor: which cache?
[18:54:56] <numenor> yes.. working. : https://docs.angularjs.org/guide
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[18:55:00] <numenor> browser cache
[18:55:36] <numenor> Are you trying to say something else ?
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[18:55:56] <numenor> fotoflo , Are you trying to say something else ?
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[18:56:41] <fotoflo> numenor: Yeah, i mean getting it to compile docs on my own code :-)
[18:56:46] <numenor> fotoflo , Oh, just saw your image.. Looks like you are trying to setup locally
[18:57:01] <numenor> fotoflo , nope , never did that
[18:57:30] <fotoflo> ah, too bad :/ thx though
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[19:04:44] <fotoflo> this is likely why i’m crashing: DONE. Generated 0 pages in 16ms.   — gotta figure out how to point the doc generator at the right folder
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[19:47:02] <marktraceur> So
[19:47:17] <marktraceur> I have a controller showing a list of things, and an edit dialog for those things
[19:47:44] <marktraceur> And then I have another controller inside of there, showing a list of different things, so the user can choose one to tie to the parent item
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[19:48:03] <marktraceur> Basically, I have a list of songs, and then inside each song's edit dialog, I have a list of artists.
[19:48:27] <marktraceur> What I'd like is the ability to access the artist list controller object from the song list controller
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[19:49:47] <marktraceur> Oh...magical
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[19:49:55] <marktraceur> OK, I hadn't read some parts of the controller docs.
[19:50:07] <Foxandxss> communication between controllers should be made with a service
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[19:50:54] <marktraceur> Foxandxss: Well, the child controller will have access to the parent controller
[19:51:03] <marktraceur> So I can probably just...set the value. Maybe.
[19:51:15] <Foxandxss> no, you can't rely always on that
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[19:51:30] <Foxandxss> it is safer to use a service
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[19:51:47] <marktraceur> Then why is it in the documentation?
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[19:52:15] <marktraceur> Also, using a third class to communicate between a parent and child class sounds like basically the most convoluted thing ever.
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[19:53:11] <Foxandxss> well, do what you want
[19:53:36] <marktraceur> Foxandxss: No, seriously, I mean this without sarcasm, I want to know why it's not safe
[19:53:52] <Foxandxss> because scope inheritance in angular is pretty fucked up
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[19:54:00] <Foxandxss> one day $parent is what you want
[19:54:02] <Foxandxss> one day is not
[19:54:06] <marktraceur> Hm.
[19:54:07] <marktraceur> OK
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[19:54:25] <Foxandxss> one day you just move your inner controller inside a pretty directive you found on the internet
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[19:54:35] <Foxandxss> and you never realized that that directive adds another scope in between
[19:54:50] <Foxandxss> and that will break your code
[19:54:54] <Foxandxss> if you still prefer to not use a service
[19:54:57] <Foxandxss> use ControllerAs
[19:55:10] <Foxandxss> with that you have a safer "pointer" to your controllers
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[19:55:26] <Foxandxss> better than $parent which could be anything
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[19:57:36] <marktraceur> OK, thanks
[19:58:04] <marktraceur> Foxandxss: It seems roundabout, but I'm sure it'll work fine. Thanks for your help :)
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[20:59:27] <AngularUI> [ng-grid] PaulL1 opened pull request #2442: Fix #2437 (modifyRows): call assignTypes when add colums and when modify... (master...2437_guess_types) http://git.io/Of6Lcg
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[21:01:48] <AngularUI> [ng-grid] PaulL1 pushed 2 new commits to master: http://git.io/_zc24Q
[21:01:48] <AngularUI> ng-grid/master 14bd430 Paul Lambert: Fix #2437 (modifyRows): call assignTypes when add colums and when modifyRows
[21:01:48] <AngularUI> ng-grid/master 92a8836 Paul: Merge pull request #2442 from PaulL1/2437_guess_types...
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[21:03:05] <EQp> simple question but I can't find the answer...I want to change two variables in an ng-click directive.  Is this possible and what is the format.  I've tried things like: ng-click="var1 = !var1, var2 = !var2" but this is clearly not the correct way.
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[21:03:47] <EQp> I could do this using a controller function but seems too trivial for that, or is it?
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[21:43:39] <jaawerth> EQp: you were close - just use a semicolon instead of a comma
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[21:44:50] <jaawerth> EQp: careful doing it in that way, though, since you'll break scope inheritance if you rewrite scope properties on the "top level" and it's an inherited property. Better to wrap the stuff you want to change in an object so it's inheritance proof (unless you don't want the change to cascade back up the scope chain, like in an ng-repeat)
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[21:46:20] <Foxandxss> jaawerth: glad $scope goes away on 2.0
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[21:47:38] <jaawerth> yeah - I get why they made it the way they did, but it won't be necessary anymore with shadowDOM and Object.observe
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[21:48:03] <Jagga> wait what
[21:48:08] <Jagga> $scope goes away in 2.0
[21:48:24] <Foxandxss> yes, I had a typo :P
[21:48:28] <Foxandxss> s/on/in
[21:48:41] <Jagga> what do you maen
[21:48:43] <Jagga> they just removed it?
[21:48:47] <Foxandxss> yes
[21:48:55] <Foxandxss> Angular 2 is a completely new framework
[21:48:58] <Jagga> as in no more, $scope.potato = "potato" in controller and {{potato}} in html page
[21:48:59] <Jagga> I see
[21:49:02] <jaawerth> Jagga: 2.0 is a "next gen" framework that takes care of a bunch of ES6 features that make $scope obselete
[21:49:05] <Foxandxss> there are no controllers either
[21:49:06] <jaawerth> obsolete even
[21:49:11] <Jagga> I've got to look at some videos then
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[21:49:16] <Jagga> 1.3 to 2.0 :E
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[21:49:53] <jaawerth> don't worry too much - it won't be released for another year, and when it does hit, I suspect 1.x will still be updated in parallel with it for some time
[21:50:16] <Jagga> I see
[21:50:39] <jaawerth> I base this mostly on the ES6 stuff, because even most current browsers don't support ES6
[21:50:44] <ekarlso-> whne's 2.0 ? :p
[21:50:56] <burzum> Foxandxss is there any good article about the 2.0 changes? Im mostly interested in the technical side of things, architecture and so on
[21:50:58] <jaawerth> you need polyfills and things
[21:51:20] <Foxandxss> burzum: probably, but I don't have any at hand
[21:51:29] <burzum> ok
[21:51:30] <jaawerth> there's stuff on the angularjs blog
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[21:51:37] <jaawerth> you just gotta search it ;-)
[21:51:48] <burzum> just thought you had something by hand that you can recommend
[21:52:01] <jaawerth> https://blog.angularjs.org/
[21:52:04] <jaawerth> search that
[21:52:08] <jaawerth> all kindsa goodies
[21:52:15] <burzum> ok
[21:52:36] <kreos> hey guys, style question here: when I initialize a page (let's say, for instance, the show page for a model), i might have to call for external data several times in a row. As far as I see there are two possible ways of achieving the result: chaining a long list of .then() or declare a service for each of that call, and then refer to it in the modu
[21:52:37] <kreos> le declaration and using it in a more readable way. Since I know I shouldn't be going to reuse this piece of code in other pages, would you consider still making services (and having a quite long declaration at the beginning, which I find ugly), or plainly write the concatenation on the initialize method?
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[21:55:08] <jaawerth> I don't understand the "quitue long declaration at the beginning" and how that it would be worse than just explicitly chaining your promise calls
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[21:55:44] <kreos> ok, for instance, now I have  angular.module('profiles').controller('ProfilesController', ['$scope', '$stateParams', '$location', '$http', '$q', 'Authentication', 'Profiles',
[21:56:03] <kreos> and for each of them I have to call it as the arg for the func
[21:56:08] <kreos> the more services I add
[21:56:12] <kreos> the uglier it gets
[21:56:19] <kreos> however, the more readable the code it become
[21:56:27] <kreos> which do you prefer?
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[21:56:44] <jaawerth> I'd be writing a custom service that wraps at least $http so you aren't using that directly
[21:57:05] <jaawerth> try to abstract the logic as much as you can to functions - if you break it down atomically enough, some of them may even be reusable!
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[21:57:21] <jaawerth> it should shorten your controller quite a bit and make your code more testable
[21:57:23] <kreos> I was considering that, they actually might
[21:57:41] <kreos> but it's a really specific page, I know i'm 90% sure I'm not going to do the same behaviour on other pages
[21:57:52] <jaawerth> are you using a router?
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[21:58:00] <kreos> so, is it still worthy to write services in this instance?
[21:58:00] <kreos> yes
[21:58:17] <jaawerth> a lot of that stuff might be a good candidate for a resolve block then
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[21:58:42] <jaawerth> that can perform the async calls and inject the resultant data into your controller - the controller won't instantiate until the async calls are done
[21:58:51] <kreos> I see, really interesting
[21:59:01] <jaawerth> and you can still abstract any of the reusable stuff into factories/services
[21:59:06] <kreos> so I declare many functions in the resolve and I initialize just that
[21:59:12] <kreos> and they appen on pageload, is it correct?
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[22:00:03] <jaawerth> kinda. Basically when you go to that route, the resolve (where you'll have injected any necessary services) will run, perform async stuff and then inject the result of the promises. it prevents the route change from completing until the data is ready
[22:00:16] <jaawerth> (but you can do stuff like show a loading screen until it's ready)
[22:00:17] <ekarlso-> when is 2.0 due ?
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[22:01:31] <kreos> I see I see
[22:01:42] <Foxandxss> ekarlso-: no date
[22:01:42] <kreos> I will try to optimize it then, thanks!
[22:01:55] <kreos> yes they said mid 2015 in the ng-europe
[22:02:11] <Foxandxss> I dont think that is true anymore
[22:02:18] <kreos> how come?
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[22:02:35] <Foxandxss> a year is more realistic
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[22:03:17] <jaawerth> yeah
[22:03:29] <jaawerth> I imagine some early versions will be available come mid-2015
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[22:04:38] <kreos> i think so too, they will test the new features with a more supported harmony
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[22:06:02] <kreos> how do you see the future of angular compared to the other frameworks instead, such as backbone or ember
[22:06:22] <kreos> and do you think there are innovative frameworks out there we might be surprised from in the coming year?
[22:06:32] <Foxandxss> dont think we can see the future
[22:06:44] <kreos> we can speculate
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[22:07:22] <Foxandxss> sure, I just don't see that helpful (my opinion)
[22:07:22] <Foxandxss> but go on
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[22:08:11] <jaawerth> well I mean - the point of Angular, IMO, has long been to pull web dev into the future by bringing future capabilities to current browsers (and also supporting/pushing web standards to match the direction google wants it to go by demonstrating such things)
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[22:08:40] <jaawerth> a lot of the current features of angular (like directives) are kinda like polyfills for features in ES6 (like webcomponents). That's why 2.0 is so different
[22:08:48] <kreos> so you don't see helpful analyzing the current state of things and try to deduce a possible outcome from it? well, ok..
[22:08:54] <jaawerth> if I had to guess, the future of Angular will involve another iteration of that process
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[22:09:15] <Foxandxss> I live on the present :)
[22:09:22] <jaawerth> hence all the ATScript stuff
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[22:09:47] <jaawerth> I think we'll see more and more of a push to get stuff like that onto the browser so you can get things like static typing and true classes
[22:10:17] <jaawerth> eventually one of these transpiling languages out there (not necessarily any of the current ones) will win out as a javascript replacement, I'd imagine, but that's years down the road
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[22:11:03] <kreos> there is a new language created by mit that allows to create self contained web applications
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[22:11:17] <kreos> which involves replacing part of html with actual coding
[22:11:24] <kreos> let me see if I find the article
[22:11:33] <jaawerth> ooh, 1.4 is gonna have implicit namespacing
[22:11:35] <jaawerth> I've wanted that for awhile
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[22:12:11] <jaawerth> or at least, it's been proposed for 1.4
[22:12:32] <kreos> http://www.computerworld.com/article/2863069/application-development/mit-unifies-web-dev-into-a-single-speedy-new-language-urweb.html
[22:12:46] <kreos> maybe we might see more of that coming
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[22:14:09] <jaawerth> that's the thing, there are so many
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[22:14:38] <jaawerth> DART, CoffeeScript, ATScript, Truescript....
[22:14:41] <jaawerth> er
[22:14:44] <kreos> omg coffeescript
[22:14:44] <jaawerth> that is, Typescript
[22:14:48] <kreos> how much i hate it
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[22:15:06] <jaawerth> lol
[22:15:08] <Foxandxss> used to like it
[22:15:10] <Foxandxss> when I did rails
[22:15:15] <kreos> no way
[22:15:21] <kreos> always hated it
[22:15:23] <jaawerth> I haven't used it enough to have an opinion
[22:15:33] <jaawerth> it just isn't that readable to me as a result of not using it other than messing around
[22:15:44] <kreos> you don't need to; you prefer less typing over code understanding? you're suited
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[22:16:17] <kreos> else you write plain ol' js
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[22:16:45] <jaawerth> lol
[22:17:02] <kreos> same for jade
[22:17:09] <jaawerth> I kinda want to try out GWT
[22:17:12] <kreos> and similar
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[22:18:00] <Foxandxss> jade suck hard
[22:18:03] <kreos> well, given the fact that many products at Google FAILED this doesn't reassure me!
[22:18:10] <kreos> but yes it's surely worth a shot, lol
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[22:18:48] <kreos> every one of these little language does
[22:19:13] <kreos> if one would save over typing, I would suggest an auto compile in the editor
[22:19:32] <kreos> or autotype, how you wanna call it
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[22:20:28] <jaawerth> well, google encourages its devs to have pet projects (IIRC they can set aside.. 10% of there time? More?) on pet projects and many of them get to hit the public
[22:20:36] <jaawerth> it's just they often get shuttered or are rolled into other things
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[22:20:54] <kreos> I see your point
[22:21:03] <kreos> I hope angular won't suffer the same destiny, lol
[22:21:13] <kreos> the worst problem they've got in google imho, is ux
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[22:21:16] <jaawerth> take Google Wave. Pretty awesome tech, not used much at all, axed pretty quickly - but I'm almost positive that the Operational Transformation code built into it was repurposed for all the collaborative editing stuff that went into Google Docs/Drive
[22:21:28] <kreos> they suck cocks hard on ux
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[22:21:36] <kreos> which is by luck, made them win the internet!
[22:21:58] <jaawerth> I can't agree. I'm liking a lot of what's coming from them right now with Material
[22:22:16] <jaawerth> google inbox is a tad too mobile-first (things could just be a little smaller), but overall I LOVE it
[22:22:22] <kreos> come on
[22:22:31] <kreos> when you want to log in youtube while listening to a video
[22:22:37] <kreos> and it prompts you to the login page
[22:22:40] <kreos> aaaahhhrrrrrggg
[22:23:06] <kreos> google got plenty of this little sucking errors, they have zero eye for details, and this might kill many many products
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[22:23:36] <jaawerth> I can't say I've ever encountered that, heh
[22:23:45] <jaawerth> I'm either already logged in or log in on a different tab
[22:23:57] <kreos> I have many accounts
[22:24:02] <kreos> so I happen to switch often
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[22:24:23] <kreos> I mean
[22:24:29] <kreos> having errors in app it's ok
[22:24:34] <jaawerth> Alright, let's see if I can't fix that Angular bug I found yesterday..
[22:24:41] <jaawerth> give the angular team a little Christmas present ;-)
[22:24:46] <kreos> there are studies which indicates this kind of bugs actually trigger interest in early adopters
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[22:24:54] <kreos> but come on, your google fucking christ
[22:25:12] <kreos> you're sorry
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[22:25:36] <jaawerth> Uh... I have no idea what you're saying anymore
[22:26:29] <jaawerth> but I certainly won't disagree that a bunch of their stuff needs work, and the way they churn out projects and later abandon some (sniff, Google Reader) is frustrating
[22:26:39] <jaawerth> but I'm not sorry :P
[22:27:00] <kreos> ok, what I mean is: if you are a startup and you have these bugs, fine. People might actually love you for that. But if you're google and have such bugs, there's no excuse
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[22:28:50] <jaawerth> I guess. Can't name any software platforms that are bug-free, though
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[22:29:01] <kreos> eheh never been an hardcore google user
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[22:29:31] <kreos> facebook, does have a pretty consistent flow
[22:29:36] <kreos> for instance
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[22:29:53] <Foxandxss> uh facebook
[22:29:56] <Foxandxss> they never had issues
[22:29:57] <kreos> i know
[22:30:05] <kreos> why not google?
[22:30:11] <jaawerth> hahaha
[22:30:20] <kreos> not on ux
[22:30:25] <kreos> we're talking about ux problems
[22:30:35] <Foxandxss> my experience is fine
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[22:30:50] <jaawerth> it's pretty good nowadays, but they've had tons of issues over the years
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[22:31:06] <jaawerth> also their mobile apps can do weird things to android because of how they screw with davlik
[22:31:22] <Foxandxss> uh dalvik :P
[22:31:22] <kreos> oh well yes, mobile can be pretty terrible
[22:31:29] <kreos> but mobile world is still a no man land
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[22:31:53] <jaawerth> If you switch from their auto-pruned "by relevance" or whatever news feed to chronological, it will often decide on its own to switch you back
[22:32:06] <kreos> lol, really?
[22:32:12] <jaawerth> yeah, drives me nuts
[22:32:16] <jaawerth> stop hiding my friends from me!
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[22:34:32] <jaawerth> tried Google inbox? I love it
[22:34:41] <Foxandxss> pse
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[22:34:47] <kreos> stop? please prevent me to appear!
[22:34:53] <kreos> them*
[22:35:10] <kreos> I didn't hate anybody till facebook came
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[22:35:23] <kreos> I was pure
[22:35:29] <jaawerth> Haha, I DO have a few hidden people
[22:36:08] <kreos> I believe facebook is great if you take the people out
[22:36:21] <kreos> only pages and some girl whom shows you boobs
[22:36:23] <kreos> and you're set
[22:37:33] <kreos> it become a great instrument
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[22:38:45] <Foxandxss> those are called porn pages
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[22:42:04] <kreos> hahahhah
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[22:42:08] <kreos> isn't it great?
[22:42:22] <kreos> facebook become useful!
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[22:43:23] <ytsejam> how?
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[23:42:23] <Mccxiv> merry christmas, angulars
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[23:43:47] <startupality> any resources on how to make angular-google-maps expand to 90% width?
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