[00:00:04] <snapwich> although i wouldn't be surprised if it runs natively in chrome in the future
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[00:00:54] <snapwich> oh, apparently chrome already has a Dart VM
[00:00:56] <snapwich> https://www.dartlang.org/tools/dartium/
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[00:01:11] <snapwich> oh nm, that's a branch
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[00:35:36] <ngbot> [angular.js] rodyhaddad pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/CeFyxQ
[00:35:36] <ngbot> angular.js/master 3d0dcf6 rodyhaddad: chore(travis): get npm dependencies from npm-bundle-deps...
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[00:36:13] <morenoh149> can an ng-click pass the function it's calling an object? specifically the object that has been clicked.
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[00:38:26] <morenoh149> ah yeah it can
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[00:49:32] <Foxandxss> morenoh149: sure, everything on the view can be used as a parameter
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[00:54:29] <ngbot> [angular.js] rodyhaddad pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/qOaPPg
[00:54:29] <ngbot> angular.js/master c94329a xi: docs(ngBind): fix wording...
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[01:09:22] <visionary> hey
[01:10:17] <visionary> i have a service that posts params
[01:10:30] <visionary> and there is a param node like
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[01:11:11] <visionary> params: {field:'@one',field:'@two'}
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[01:12:28] <visionary> is there a way to specify not to pass a field if a field is null
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[01:15:10] <oniijin> do a check?
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[01:41:16] <LoveAndHappiness> hi guys
[01:41:22] <LoveAndHappiness> please someone help me understan
[01:41:23] <LoveAndHappiness> d
[01:41:53] <LoveAndHappiness> If angularjs has already bi-directionaly realtime data binding.
[01:42:34] <Foxandxss> keep going
[01:42:43] <LoveAndHappiness> why does anyone then need the service of pusher or pubnub
[01:42:58] <Foxandxss> pubsub is not needed
[01:42:58] <LoveAndHappiness> to make realtime applications
[01:43:02] <Foxandxss> ah
[01:43:13] <LoveAndHappiness> wait
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[01:43:26] <LoveAndHappiness> hm...
[01:44:00] <LoveAndHappiness> I am not sure if I don't understand something entirely here, but pusher and pubnub is not like firebase
[01:44:02] <LoveAndHappiness> is it7
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[01:44:54] <LoveAndHappiness> So, I could just run angularjs with a php/mysql backend and have the frontend load, without refreshing the page...
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[01:45:23] <LoveAndHappiness> but the client wouldn't get real time changes, if something changes on the server, right?
[01:45:28] <Foxandxss> right
[01:45:30] <LoveAndHappiness> that's what firebase is for
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[01:45:43] <Foxandxss> not exactly, but firebase also does that
[01:45:46] <LoveAndHappiness> what is pusher and pubnub needed then
[01:45:48] <Foxandxss> focus on the "also" :P
[01:46:10] <LoveAndHappiness> that's what I don't understand
[01:46:22] <Foxandxss> I am not familiar with those libraries I am afraid
[01:46:34] <Foxandxss> but I guess those are just websockets
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[01:46:43] <LoveAndHappiness> yes they are websockets
[01:47:09] <LoveAndHappiness> nonetheless I hadn't any idea yesterday, what a websokets was.
[01:47:40] <LoveAndHappiness> I'll try to find a pusher irc channel
[01:47:46] <Foxandxss> basically you need an open connection with your server
[01:47:57] <Foxandxss> so when the server has something to share (an update) angular will know
[01:48:02] <Foxandxss> and update the views in real time
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[01:48:47] <LoveAndHappiness> and this open connection is done by websockets, you say.
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[01:49:04] <Foxandxss> yes
[01:49:16] <LoveAndHappiness> makes sense
[01:49:48] <snurfery> oniijin: (just read your response above) lol
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[01:50:06] <LoveAndHappiness> So someone could still keep his mysql database and use websockets to get a real time effect
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[01:50:19] <LoveAndHappiness> without switching to firebase
[01:50:32] <snurfery> LoveAndHappiness: if he knew how, anything is possible
[01:50:44] <snurfery> if he didn't know how, he should use a service that simplifies it for the masses
[01:50:47] <snurfery> i.e. firebase
[01:51:07] <amergin> what's the way to append multiple attributes to a DOM element
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[01:51:19] <Foxandxss> LoveAndHappiness: indeed, firebase just does that for you
[01:51:22] <Foxandxss> you can do that by hand
[01:51:58] <amergin> say I have <body> and at some point I want to modify $rootScope variable that controls these attributes that will be appended to the element
[01:52:01] <snurfery> firebase/similar services cost a few bucks a month, sure, but how much dev/admin time would go into spinning your own janky homegrown solution? that's the question
[01:52:19] <snurfery> amergin: that sounds like jquery-speak
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[01:53:00] <snurfery> amergin: so you're trying to optionally add some stuff to your dom eh?
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[01:53:31] <snurfery> in the template, use ng-show or ng-if to decide whether the elements are there or not
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[01:54:09] <amergin> the problem is that I want to bind keypresses to <body> (left,right) on a photo gallery. but the gallery's view template is not in the scope of that body since it's way more up in the hierarchy
[01:54:21] <opus_> hey guys, whats wrong with my simple ng-repeat? http://plnkr.co/edit/OGM8kwnmVtl6kb2ttOGp?p=preview
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[01:54:44] <opus_> I can't believe I can't figure out this simple ng-repeat issue
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[01:55:10] <amergin> basically I just want ui-keyup="{'left':'goPrev($event)', 'right': 'goNext($event)', 'esc': 'close($event)'}" applied to my <body> at some point of my application
[01:55:17] <amergin> what's the angular way of doing that
[01:55:37] <snurfery> amergin: make a service that has each of those functions as a method
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[01:55:56] <snurfery> i.e. GalleryService.goPrev()
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[01:56:30] <snurfery> and that GalleryService will be controlling your actual gallery too
[01:56:46] <amergin> goPrev is only a $state.go(..) call
[01:57:06] <amergin> sounds fishy to place that in a service
[01:57:06] <LoveAndHappiness> sorry, I keep disconnecting
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[01:58:21] <amergin> actually I do have a service that pretty much controls the gallery, but I'd think these kind of things fall under the state controller's domain
[01:58:51] <opus_> if anybody could help me, I'm stumped: I can't see why this doesn't work...
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[01:59:04] <opus_> http://plnkr.co/edit/OGM8kwnmVtl6kb2ttOGp?p=preview
[01:59:22] <snurfery> doesn't sound fishy at all to me. functionality that's shared/distributed amongst controllers should be separated into services, factories, providers or directives
[01:59:38] <Foxandxss> opus_: that is not a working example
[01:59:39] <snurfery> controllers just glue the models to the various services
[01:59:43] <zumba_addict> hey folks, how do we call $http inside provider but not inside this.$get? I want to call it with my setUrlEndpoints() function
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[02:00:03] <amergin> isn't there just a <body ng-attrs-blahblah-directive="{objectInRootScope}"> and then I could modify the rootscope object in the state controller
[02:00:33] <opus_> Foxandxss, yes, i know it isn't working. thats why I am trying to do, get it working.
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[02:01:44] <opus_> maybe you mean I accidently striped out some needed code
[02:01:45] <opus_> one sec
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[02:03:17] <opus_> this is what I based my example on: (working) http://plnkr.co/edit/nBUQdF6iisQyIryaY3pK?p=preview    this is what isn't working : (above plunkr)
[02:03:43] <amergin> snurfery: and if I were to move those methods to the service, I'd still need the actual state parameters from the state controller. doesn't help me one bit
[02:03:52] <opus_> I'm not sure how to that got communicating that I needed help, and it is not working, I know its not working (?). I was wondering if you could help me get it working (?)
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[02:04:37] <Foxandxss> what's not working?
[02:04:46] <opus_> ng-repeat
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[02:05:41] <Foxandxss> I see it working on thislatter example
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[02:06:05] <opus_> yes, my version does not work.
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[02:06:22] <opus_> I need help getting it to work, can anybody help me?
[02:06:43] <opus_> to be clear, I don't need help getting the one that is working to work because it already works. Thanks
[02:06:52] <Foxandxss> your are not even loading that protractor.js on your example
[02:06:56] <opus_> Need help on the one that isn't working.
[02:07:41] <opus_> Ok, well let me cook up a better example then? would that help? I just clicked on the Angular document for ng-repeat and put in my data
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[02:08:12] <Foxandxss> a better example would help
[02:08:15] <Foxandxss> check the topic for a good template
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[02:09:54] <morenoh149> I have the following code https://gist.github.com/morenoh149/08b0b51692b05e5a25af How do I tell desctructiveButtonClicked what function to run without running it immediately?
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[02:12:45] <snurfery> amergin: of course there's a controller involved
[02:12:46] <opus_> Foxandxss, how about this: http://codepen.io/davidje/pen/Iayho
[02:12:57] <opus_> ah crap
[02:13:01] <snurfery> and of course you need stuff from it
[02:13:01] <opus_> forgot $scope.data =
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[02:13:58] <Foxandxss> is the same incomplete thing
[02:14:01] <Foxandxss> but on a different url
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[02:14:13] <Foxandxss> I don't think that is gonna work
[02:14:19] <Foxandxss> check the url on the topic
[02:14:21] <Foxandxss> and work there
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[02:14:23] <Foxandxss> much easier
[02:14:38] <snurfery> if you build a service, you can inject it wherever you need and share state
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[02:15:45] <snurfery> amergin that's the angular way. If you want some messy, hacky code, just stuff everything on $rootScope and it can be your little secret haha ;)
[02:16:11] <opus_> Foxandxss, thanks, got it working not sure what was wrong
[02:16:22] <opus_> I shouldn't just plunkr from the angular js docs, to confusing
[02:16:46] <amergin> snurfery: I just don't see the benefit. the problem is that the directives have to be applied to the body element. anywhere within that, and the element is not focused without a mouse click, which makes the keypresses useless.
[02:16:58] <snurfery> that's fine
[02:17:02] <snurfery> your body needs a controller
[02:17:11] <snurfery> your service can be injected into the controller
[02:17:16] <snurfery> voila
[02:17:24] <amergin> hmm
[02:17:40] <snurfery> service = shared state, shared functionality
[02:17:49] <snurfery> injectable everywhere
[02:18:07] <amergin> but I already have controller for <html> that is the default controller for the whole app
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[02:18:50] <amergin> and the directives applied to <body> are not active the whole time
[02:19:13] <snurfery> it is a tool
[02:19:21] <amergin> only at specific states
[02:19:24] <snurfery> you'll have to figure out how to use it for your specific use case ;)
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[02:19:30] <snurfery> that's why you make the big dollas
[02:19:32] <snurfery> =D
[02:19:35] <Foxandxss> directives on html?
[02:19:37] <Foxandxss> sounds ungular
[02:19:46] <snurfery> (on <body> in his case)
[02:20:19] <snurfery> I think he has a controller on html and some directives on body that optionally need to catch a keypress
[02:20:34] <amergin> https://angular-ui.github.io/ui-utils/ keypress is the directive
[02:20:36] <plex0r> hello could anyone please tell me the difference between yeoman and mean.io?
[02:20:54] <snurfery> so someone can press right or left on the keyboard and go next/previous on a gallery
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[02:21:22] <amergin>  /photos/album/72157645692687383/image/14450508540/
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[02:21:38] <amergin> under photos.album.image state, I want the keypress to attach to <body>
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[02:22:14] <amergin> under different states like photos or photos.album or about or whatever, the body is without the keypress directive
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[02:23:10] <amergin> and the left, right just changes the photos.album.image state to next image (see the url)
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[02:24:23] <amergin> this would be a whole lot easier to handle if I could somehow get the default focus on a element that is within <body>, then I could handle this thing in the photos.album.image state's template
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[02:26:51] <amergin> maybe I could just write a simple directive that adds $('img').focus(); for the image in the template and see where that takes me.
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[02:28:15] <AngularUI> [bootstrap] calekennedy opened pull request #2479: feat(popover): added template as per requests in issue #220, took code from jbruni (master...master) http://git.io/5PbTKA
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[02:30:20] <tibi> hi
[02:30:27] <fg3> allo
[02:30:45] <fg3> any testing gurus in the house
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[02:31:15] <tibi> anyone know tutorial or anyone can provide a link with an example on how to make alias in url's for id's? like /user/1232 its the same with /user/tibi?
[02:31:33] <Foxandxss> fg3: ask right away
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[02:34:00] <fg3> I'm testing a factory that has dependencies - 1) I added debug statements to the factory and I don't see the dependencies being resolved. 2) The factory method is passed a callback but debug statements show it as undefined. --- h e l p
[02:34:35] <Foxandxss> it should load the dependencies
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[02:37:47] <tibi> anyone know tutorial or anyone can provide a link with an example on how to make alias in url's for id's? like /user/1232 its the same with /user/tibi?
[02:39:07] <Foxandxss> we read you, no need to repeat
[02:39:09] <fg3> Foxandxss: #1 has bee solved) it's loading dependencies - was my bad debug statement
[02:39:25] <Foxandxss> I see
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[02:40:27] <fg3> Foxandxss: #2 has bee solved) it's loading dependencies - was my bad debug statement
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[02:40:44] <fg3> that's means it's time for a beer?
[02:40:55] <Foxandxss> no
[02:41:07] <fg3> you're right
[02:41:10] <fg3> too much work
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[02:45:58] <fg3> myService: in the browser the $q.all resolves, in my tests it does not resolve.  ideas?
[02:46:16] <Foxandxss> you need to manually $digest
[02:46:20] <Foxandxss> to make promises run
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[02:47:07] <fg3> I have a $rootScope.$digest(); in the code - but probably the wrong place
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[02:47:31] <Foxandxss> I wrote this: http://angular-tips.com/blog/2014/02/introduction-to-unit-test-toc/
[02:47:34] <Foxandxss> I Talk about that there
[02:47:36] <Foxandxss> I have to go
[02:47:36] <Foxandxss> 3 am
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[02:47:44] <fg3> oooh - have a good sleep
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[02:56:31] <ibk> hi all, any idea why my controller got executed on each route change? I have debug this issue for some hours and can't find a way
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[03:20:22] <oste> i have an img tag in a ng-repeat loop and i am getting a 404 when the model being repeated is empty []
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[03:20:50] <oste> why does my img tag even get reached?
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[03:32:50] <wafflejock_> oste: intersting... doesn't seem to happen if you use ng-src in the img
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[03:33:16] <wafflejock_> oste: http://plnkr.co/edit/ipv6sN7pQIaup2ESTpJB?p=preview
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[03:33:38] <wafflejock_> ibk: this is regular behavior
[03:33:57] <wafflejock_> ibk: if you have a controller setup in ngRoute or ui-router a new instance of the controller is called each time the route changes
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[03:34:42] <oste> of course gotta do it the ng way
[03:34:51] <oste> thanks wafflejock
[03:35:09] <wafflejock_> oste: np agree though it's weird the img tag got processed anyhow in the ng-repeat with 0 elements
[03:35:43] <oste> yeah, i tried ng-if as well
[03:35:59] <oste> gotta be careful with img i guess
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[03:37:10] <wafflejock_> ah okay... so if the page is read by the browser before angular executes that makes sense actually
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[03:37:34] <wafflejock_> so before ng-if or ng-repeat could remove it the browser saw the src tag and started getting the file
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[03:38:00] <oste> huh?
[03:38:17] <wafflejock_> oste: your browser gets the full HTML without processing directives before angular loads and does it's work
[03:38:18] <oste> remove it from the source?
[03:38:32] <wafflejock_> just sayin why ng-src works okay but src doesn't
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[03:38:54] <wafflejock_> it's cause before angular is able to start running and see the ng-if and ng-repeat directives and manipulate the DOM the browser has already parsed the img tag
[03:39:04] <oste> i see
[03:39:12] <oste> not like jquery and document ready
[03:39:26] <wafflejock_> oste: well similar thing would happen there
[03:39:36] <wafflejock_> difference being you might add the imgs programatically
[03:39:41] <wafflejock_> but the HTML would have already been read
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[03:40:54] <wafflejock_> I wonder if you included angular.js scripts in the HEAD of the HTML doc if it would process early enough to avoid having the tags seen by the browser first but I kind of doubt it
[03:41:05] <oste> nope
[03:41:09] <wafflejock_> ah k
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[03:44:16] <wafflejock_> plex0r: you still around?
[03:44:31] <plex0r> wafflejock_: yes, hi
[03:44:48] <wafflejock_> just scrolled back and saw your question I know yeoman pretty well not so familiar with mean.io
[03:45:06] <plex0r> i am trying them both out but wondering which I should focus on
[03:45:15] <plex0r> if there is advantages/disadvantages
[03:45:34] <plex0r> i am assuming since mean.io is a stack it has database functionality like MAMp
[03:45:39] <plex0r> and yeoman does not?
[03:45:47] <wafflejock_> yeoman is basically a "scaffolding tool" so it just fetches some preconfigured project with some options like do you want to include bootstrap etc. etc. and ends up writing a package.json file which is used by node package manager (npm) and sets up bower.json read by the bower process for installing dependencies
[03:46:05] <plex0r> ok thanks wafflejock_
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[03:46:27] <plex0r> i was able to spin up a webapp in yeoman in about 20 minutes
[03:46:30] <wafflejock_> MEAN as far as I understand it is Mongo Express Angular and Node and like you said Mongo is a DB portion express is the middle layer that runs on Node and Angular is the front end
[03:46:44] <wafflejock_> yeah so you can probably find yeoman generators for the MEAN stack
[03:46:49] <plex0r> but have not been able to get mean.io running
[03:47:02] <fg3> I have a service I'm trying to test.  Inside the service is a $q.all() which is not firing.  I call $rootScope.$apply() to trigger a digest in my tests.  ideas?
[03:47:08] <plex0r> ah okay, so it seems as though mean.io is just heavier and for bulkier apps then i suppose?
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[03:47:24] <plex0r> and yeoman could be integrated with mean.io
[03:47:53] <wafflejock_> well it's more yeoman is just used to setup your app
[03:48:08] <wafflejock_> and it gets all the stuff you'll need to run it and build tests maybe and stuff like that
[03:48:16] <wafflejock_> one of those setups is probably for the MEAN stack
[03:48:18] <plex0r> ok so yeoman gives you the tools to build
[03:48:23] <wafflejock_> yup
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[03:48:39] <plex0r> awesome thanks wafflejock_
[03:48:41] <plex0r> much appreciated
[03:48:43] <wafflejock_> yup np
[03:49:23] <house> the term MEAN was coined before they made the mean.io website. it seems now adays mean and mean.io are becoming synonymous
[03:49:55] <house> random musings.
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[03:50:33] <wafflejock_> yeah haven't played with either here yet
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[03:50:53] <wafflejock_> I use node for grunt and friends but haven't actually tried using it as a platform to build anything yet
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[03:51:07] <wafflejock_> I think socket.io is a compelling reason to check it out though
[03:51:24] <plex0r> I have been using PHP for a few years and am getting into js and am just wondering which frameworks to target
[03:51:29] <plex0r> it seems as though there are so many
[03:51:33] <plex0r> i find it difficult to keep up with
[03:51:58] <wafflejock_> plex0r: yeah well Angular is doing pretty well at the moment in terms of popularity and really lots of the frameworks are starting to "converge" to some degree
[03:52:22] <plex0r> wafflejock_: awesome i just did a yeoman app with angular
[03:52:28] <wafflejock_> plex0r: the Google Polymer stuff looks very similar and also interesting and I have heard a lot about WebComponents and new ECMA 6 stuff
[03:52:35] <plex0r> i have also been reading gulp.js and following that..
[03:52:53] <wafflejock_> plex0r: yeah gulp and grunt are similar build tools
[03:53:02] <plex0r> okay cool i have been using grunt
[03:53:08] <plex0r> i saw more plugins for grunt so i went with that
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[03:53:27] <wafflejock_> gulp just keeps the stuff in memory and pipes from one process to another like you say grunt has more stuff available though gulp is pretty well populated with plugins too
[03:53:45] <wafflejock_> grunt has more of a read from one place write to another setup for all it's config
[03:54:03] <plex0r> thanks for all the info
[03:54:26] <wafflejock_> yup good chatting for a bit
[03:54:44] <plex0r> is there any blogs that are decent for keeping up with the latest js trends and technology?
[03:55:23] <wafflejock_> I listen to some JS podcasts here or there but don't really have a committment to any one blogger in terms of JS
[03:55:57] <wafflejock_> there were some rockstar guys in AS3 like Doug McCune and Mr. Doob and Grant Skinner, but I don't know any big names in JS (I'm sure those guys are still hacking away)
[03:56:36] <wafflejock_> Ben Nadel does good stuff I guess and John Lindquists videos have helped tons of people
[03:56:47] <plex0r> i feel as though 25% of web development is trying to stay current and relevant
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[03:57:08] <plex0r> i had just managed to nail down zend in php and then clients started asking for laravel
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[03:57:57] <wafflejock_> eh I don't know things don't really change as fast as the hype would make you think... some people still want IE 8 support and the things you learn still apply in the future
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[03:58:45] <wafflejock_> like I came from a CS degree -> worked with AS3 -> learned to do EE Java dev -> went back to PHP/JS dev but all the stuff I learned in Java/AS3 pretty much has some equivalence in the new stuff I use
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[03:59:08] <plex0r> I did a CS degree too
[03:59:13] <plex0r> we were drilled with python and php
[03:59:28] <wafflejock_> ah we were drowned in Java most of the time
[03:59:38] <wafflejock_> I did C/C++ where I was allowed to choose usually
[04:00:08] <wafflejock_> never touched python seriously but I have kind of kept with PHP on and off from the beginning
[04:00:32] <plex0r> Yeah most of the jobs and contracts I do are PHP based with some frontend dev
[04:01:22] <wafflejock_> yup lots of PHP work, most of it crappy... I'm happy with the idea of laravel though... I use Slim for doing my routing typically and just hand craft my data access objects using the MySQL PDO PHP stuff
[04:01:29] <plex0r> Well, wafflejock_ thanks for your time and ideas I'm going to spin up some more web apps and see what I get comfortable with
[04:01:39] <wafflejock_> yup have fun... should get back to it here too
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[04:36:09] <theshane> Hello all, can anyone point me to something that explains when to use a factory vs a service? I understand the difference but cant figure out why I would want a factory beside a service
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[04:42:11] <dman777_alter> hi, is it possible to make a countdown timer in a service rather than a controller? all the examples I have seen do it from the controller
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[04:43:11] <theshane> Yea, I do not see why not. You can set intervals in a service and set this.timer++ and then in your controller get service.timer
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[04:43:55] <dman777_alter> theshane: well, I can't number to show up in the template in {{}}
[04:44:10] <theshane> ahh
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[04:44:23] <theshane> $scope.timer = serviceName.timer
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[04:44:51] <thebigredgeek> Does anyone know of any decent patterns in JS to model a flowchart that has asynchronous actions?
[04:45:06] <thebigredgeek> I thought about using the promise pattern, but it doesn't really support divergent pathways.
[04:45:25] <theshane> But then you would need a second timer, I gather to keep it up to dayt
[04:45:26] <theshane> date
[04:45:45] <dman777_alter> theshane: http://bpaste.net/show/m7de2ecZesVqngZHvN6E/
[04:45:53] <dman777_alter> theshane: can't get the value to show in the data binding
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[04:46:14] <theshane> Ok, let me take a look
[04:46:43] <thebigredgeek> Anyone?
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[04:48:08] <Zesty> can someone explain this to me "by reference not by value"
[04:48:12] <Zesty> http://jsfiddle.net/qWzTb/
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[04:50:58] <theshane> dman777_alter you got me there. That looks like it should work. Did you try just setting it to a static int to see if it will show then?
[04:51:08] <dman777_alter> Zesty: not sure about that but...basically, when pass a variable to a function in JS you are passing the value of that variable.
[04:51:54] <dman777_alter> Zesty: to pass by reference you make a object.... variable.object_Name=  { yo: blah }
[04:52:35] <dman777_alter> theshane: naw...to tired. thanks though.
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[04:52:59] <Zesty> hmm
[04:53:11] <Zesty> ohhh
[04:53:23] <Zesty> so basically it has to be a 'pointer' to the same variable?
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[04:54:08] <dman777_alter> Zesty: well, it has to do with objects and prototypes if you want to research that.
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[04:54:50] <dman777_alter> Zesty: but all in all... I gues you can think of it like that
[04:55:05] <Zesty> i ask because this is what im trying to solve:
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[04:55:26] <thebigredgeek> Zesty, the JS interpreter passes complex structures like arrays, objects, and functions by value both for sanity sake (for the programmer) and to save on application memory. In languages like C, you specify pass by reference vs pass by value by the reference operator or pointers. JS doesn't have this, so it simply passes types that in C or C++ you would pass by reference according to best practice by refere
[04:55:26] <thebigredgeek> nce in JS as well.
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[04:56:20] <robdubya> thebigredgeek do you speak C?
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[04:56:58] <thebigredgeek> robdubya: yup.  haven't used it in a while tho.  like 2 years.  mostly C++/Objective C.  I did a lot of OpenGL hacking in High School for little games and what not.
[04:57:12] <thebigredgeek> and Middle School heh.  C was my first language.  started leraning it at 8
[04:57:24] <dman777_alter> Zesty: exampele... http://bpaste.net/show/aVZm9QdydjeH5KgEk9cY/ line 5.... cpuResult can be passed by reference
[04:57:52] <Zesty> http://pastie.org/9404154 - this is a a select box which when i go to that page and click refresh, it loads the value properly. but when i navigate away from the page (different route) and go back to the page it defaults to the first item
[04:57:58] <Zesty> ok looking now at what you put
[04:58:11] <thebigredgeek> Zesty: basically if you want to pass something by reference you can just stick it on an object.
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[04:58:25] <dman777_alter> ^ +1
[04:58:25] <thebigredgeek> However you really don't want to do that with primitives.  Better to just return something.
[04:59:15] <robdubya> thebigredgeek yeah. i'm messing with sensors at the moment, it makes me miss JD
[04:59:16] <thebigredgeek> It's bad practice. The reason the JS interpreter works that way is because optimally you want to almost always pass primitives by value and complex structures by reference.  It's more performant and just better engineering in general to follow consistent conventions and guidelines
[04:59:17] <robdubya> *js
[04:59:32] <thebigredgeek> robdubya: Try NodeJS bindings?
[04:59:49] <thebigredgeek> I am sure they have some for hardware stuff.  Have you used BeagleBone + BoneScript?  All NodeJS
[04:59:50] <robdubya> thebigredgeek nah, i'm writing firmware to SoC's
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[05:00:04] <thebigredgeek> C?
[05:00:11] <robdubya> http://www.ti.com/tool/cc2541dk-sensor
[05:00:16] <robdubya> prototyping on this
[05:00:26] <thebigredgeek> I usually did firmware with whatever instruction set that chip came with.
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[05:00:37] <thebigredgeek> some form of asm
[05:00:52] <robdubya> yeah - its ASM (though i'm writing C on the ardu protos)
[05:01:01] <robdubya> fucking TI compiler is $4k
[05:01:05] <thebigredgeek> I love asm heh
[05:01:08] <thebigredgeek> It's fun
[05:01:18] <robdubya> want a job?
[05:01:23] <thebigredgeek> its like doing a set of operations on a deck of cards.
[05:01:29] <thebigredgeek> Heh no I'm pretty well booked up atm.
[05:01:39] <dman777_alter> thebigredgeek: primitve or not...if you have a single service share by controllers and you need to keep the state of each one... you will have to use objects
[05:02:11] <thebigredgeek> Zesty sorry I try not to PM.  In JS, strings, booleans, numbers, etc, are primitives.  Arrays, Objects, and Functions are Complex Structures
[05:02:21] <Zesty> I see
[05:02:23] <thebigredgeek> Get a book on C programming Zesty
[05:02:27] <thebigredgeek> It will help alot
[05:02:42] <thebigredgeek> All of this stuff basically comes from C :)
[05:03:24] <thebigredgeek> Before the days of compiled languages, there were no functions.  Just binary digits that tells the CPU to goto a particular address and start executing each instruction there.  It's always linear and serial
[05:03:25] <dman777_alter> normally I would agree, but with a framework everything changes. like what I said above about single service shared by controllers in angular.js
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[05:03:47] <Zesty> Ok, I can do that. In the immediate short-term though, if you feel up for it can you explain difference between by value and by reference, in terms of JS?
[05:03:55] <Zesty> just briefly I guess
[05:03:57] <thebigredgeek> dman777_alter: you can just use a collection.
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[05:04:04] <thebigredgeek> dman777_alter: like angular's $cache
[05:04:13] <thebigredgeek> thats what it is made for
[05:04:15] <thebigredgeek> :)
[05:04:58] <dman777_alter> thebigredgeek: interesting...everyone told me before to use service to keep controllers values  when the views change
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[05:05:40] <thebigredgeek> pass by value passes a copy.  pass by reference passes the actual variable, which if you modify it also modifies the original.  in terms of a function, it also retains the same variable scope
[05:05:53] <thebigredgeek> dman777_alter: $cache is a service :)
[05:06:24] <dman777_alter> thebigredgeek: cool, I will read up on that. thanks
[05:06:27] <thebigredgeek> dman777_alter: you don't need to just make random blank injectable objects.  you want something more programmatic because it will prevent spaghetti code
[05:07:21] <dman777_alter> thebigredgeek: can a countdown timer be used from a service? all the examples use controllers and I can't get the value to show up in the template binding http://bpaste.net/show/aVZm9QdydjeH5KgEk9cY/
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[05:09:01] <thebigredgeek> dman777_alter: depends on what you mean.  if you want something that 'ticks' every N microseconds, it would be better to fire an event every tick and then handle it whereever you want.
[05:09:18] <thebigredgeek> so to do that you could use a service.  or just a run block.  whatever you want
[05:09:49] <dman777_alter> thebigredgeek: cool! I wish I thought of fireing a event!
[05:10:36] <thebigredgeek> but nothing is really guaranteed in terms of async.  Anything async is loaded into a queue which is deferred until the end of the current context.  so setInternval technically may not fire on precise intervals if you are doing a bunch of blocking operations.  or if you fill up the async queue with hundreds of deferred tasks
[05:11:09] <thebigredgeek> in fact it will only fire on precise intervals if thats the only thing happening
[05:11:36] <thebigredgeek> even most cursor moving causes this to be less precise.  best to build your app around seconds... and expect deviation
[05:11:54] <dman777_alter> thebigredgeek: when you say run block...your mean app.run()? ya, I read that setInterval in raw JS wasn't precise, but I never had a issue with that...always been close enough.
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[05:14:08] <robdubya> dman777_alter you're just trying to do a countdown timer?
[05:14:17] <dman777_alter> robdubya: ya
[05:14:35] <Zesty> ive gone down the youtube rabbithole of value vs reference :S
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[05:14:50] <dman777_alter> ahl..man thebigredgeek is gone. he had alot of good into
[05:14:51] <dman777_alter> info
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[05:16:11] <dman777_alter> Zesty: it's not that complicated....once you get it you'll see it easy. For instance, if you pass foo into function(foo) { foo = 6 } you do not modify foo from where it was passed from.
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[05:16:40] <dman777_alter> Zesty: foo was a disposable container just used to deliver you it's value.
[05:16:50] <dman777_alter> a candy wrapper used and useless now
[05:17:31] <dman777_alter> modifying foo will not have a effect on any other functions that contain foo
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[05:18:00] <dman777_alter> or the function that called  passed foo to function(foo)
[05:18:15] <dman777_alter> hope that makes sense :)
[05:18:46] <dman777_alter> you were only passed the value of foo...not the memory location of that contains the variable foo
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[05:19:45] <robdubya> dman777_alter http://plnkr.co/edit/6g7shnYvqMPB3lLqKSXh?p=preview
[05:19:50] <robdubya> i mean, that's the hacky version
[05:20:42] <Zesty> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh-hPzDfb_Q this video is really good at explaining it
[05:20:54] <Zesty> ive been drinking a lot of scotch though so its kind of mind blowing :o
[05:20:56] <robdubya> see also http://siddii.github.io/angular-timer/examples.html
[05:21:08] <Zesty> so simple
[05:21:16] <Zesty> yet i cant believe i never really noticed that...
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[05:21:19] <robdubya> Zesty it really kinda is
[05:21:28] <thebigredgeek> app.module('foo').run([..., function(){}]); // this
[05:21:30] <dman777_alter> robdubya: thanks...I had success with new Date() but not with just a normal number to count down from
[05:21:32] <thebigredgeek> dman777_alter:  ya
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[05:21:41] <robdubya> you'll notice (now you get it) javascript gets a lot easier
[05:22:08] <robdubya> dman777_alter a "normal number" = some point in the future :)
[05:22:23] <thebigredgeek> heh, once you understand a CPU works all programming gets a lot easier.
[05:22:38] <Zesty> yeah, I've been finding that out a lot more lately. I have always been a backend person who was really 'good' at jquery. not at javascript. since ive been tasked with redoing our entire app in angular and node...
[05:22:39] <thebigredgeek> and once you understand EE and THAT, everything technology is easy heh
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[05:22:43] <Zesty> ive been having to learn a lot more
[05:22:54] <Zesty> that is really cool. i definitely appreciate it a lot more
[05:22:59] <Zesty> whereas before I mostly disliked JS
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[05:23:28] <Zesty> so my roles kinda switched to the front end now
[05:23:37] <dman777_alter> thebigredgeek: since you can't pass a  $scope into a service, how would you keep track of $scope.variable state if you needed to in a service?
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[05:24:07] <thebigredgeek> you don't need to.  all you need to do is transmit an initial state and then reduce the state with each subsequent tick.
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[05:24:13] <dman777_alter> Zesty: I love raw javascrpit. its a shame that most people don't(from my work place)
[05:24:18] <thebigredgeek> you can also use events to REQUEST stuff from other things
[05:24:24] <thebigredgeek> Thats basically how Objective C works :)
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[05:24:38] <dman777_alter> thebigredgeek: cool...thanks
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[05:25:56] <dman777_alter> robdubya: thanks...I will study that code tommorrow...so tired right now...can't function. It's written really clean...I can also use that to learn to write cleaner services
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[05:36:33] <ibk> wafflejock_ : thanks, i just remember that what i need is services than controller. You save me for useless debugging again
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[06:10:33] <wafflejock_> ibk: yup np
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[06:37:42] <BobbieBarker> is there a way to pass a function through a scope to a directive
[06:37:45] <BobbieBarker> destination="Upload.one().getRestangularUrl()"
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[06:37:48] <BobbieBarker> ^^ like that
[06:37:53] <BobbieBarker> or is that just plane crazy talk
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[06:40:49] <snurfery> how do ya mean
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[06:40:56] <snurfery> I recognize all this Restangular action
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[06:41:30] <snurfery> does yeah you can totally do that
[06:41:49] <snurfery> as long as 'Upload' is on your scope
[06:42:12] <TheAceOfHearts> BobbieBarker: yes
[06:42:24] <BobbieBarker> yes it's crazy or yes it can be done
[06:42:25] <snurfery> dunno if you need to wrap it in mustaches tho
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[06:42:49] <BobbieBarker> ya the upload provider is in scope
[06:43:09] <BobbieBarker> i tried {{}} and it didn't like it
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[06:43:14] <BobbieBarker> gave me parse error
[06:43:14] <snurfery> it can be done yo, try it out
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[06:43:30] <BobbieBarker> "{{}" or just {{}}
[06:44:04] <snurfery> if you're feeding it to a directive then you prolly don't need that
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[06:46:44] <BobbieBarker> Error: [$parse:syntax] Syntax Error: Token 'Upload' is unexpected, expecting [:] at column 3 of the expression [{{Upload.one().getRestangularUrl()}}] starting at [Upload.one().getRestangularUrl()}}]
[06:46:50] <BobbieBarker> much hatred from the console
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[06:47:52] <snurfery> get rid of those mustaches
[06:48:21] <BobbieBarker> no mustaches and it logs out as undefined
[06:49:09] <snurfery> have you console.log()'ed it to make sure it's returning the url you expect?
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[06:49:51] <BobbieBarker> ya i was using the function earlier
[06:49:57] <BobbieBarker> in the directive to post the to server
[06:49:58] <snurfery> and, to confirm, you're saying you DO have a line like this in your controller:
[06:50:04] <snurfery> $scope.Upload = Upload;
[06:50:07] <BobbieBarker> now i'm trying to set a property ont he directive so you can configure the API end point
[06:50:32] <snurfery> ^ muy importante question
[06:50:47] <snurfery> er, confirmation, whatever
[06:51:23] <BobbieBarker> $scope.upload[index] = $upload.upload
[06:51:26] <BobbieBarker> that part works
[06:51:34] <snurfery> my question
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[06:51:43] <snurfery> do you have this exact line somewhere in your controller:
[06:51:47] <snurfery> $scope.Upload = Upload;
[06:51:50] <BobbieBarker> oh no
[06:51:53] <snurfery> you need it
[06:52:27] <snurfery> otherwise you can't refer to something called 'Upload' in your markup js
[06:52:43] * snurfery awaits the shout of victory
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[06:52:56] <BobbieBarker> no victory dance here i'm afraid
[06:53:04] * snurfery is crushed
[06:53:04] <BobbieBarker> so should i put that in the directive controller? cuz thats what i just did
[06:53:06] <snurfery> haha
[06:53:09] <snurfery> umm
[06:53:30] <BobbieBarker> for the scope i have scope: { destination: "=",}
[06:53:37] <snurfery> this markup right here:
[06:53:37] <snurfery> destination="Upload.one().getRestangularUrl()"
[06:53:43] <snurfery> where is that?
[06:53:48] <BobbieBarker> in the html
[06:53:58] <snurfery> for your main page or some directive?
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[06:54:11] <BobbieBarker> main page, it's not a template
[06:54:11] <snurfery> for a page right
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[06:54:27] <snurfery> ok whatever the controller is for that page
[06:54:33] <BobbieBarker> the directive
[06:54:40] <snurfery> wat
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[06:55:04] <BobbieBarker> wait i lied this page does have a controller
[06:55:10] <snurfery> of course it does
[06:55:11] <snurfery> haha
[06:55:18] <BobbieBarker> nah some stuff i build is just components
[06:55:25] * snurfery nods
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[06:55:40] <BobbieBarker> actually i told a half truth
[06:55:53] <BobbieBarker> so the "page" is a part of a template for a directifve
[06:56:11] <snurfery> that's fine, doesn't matter
[06:56:26] <snurfery> just find out whatever controller is in charge in the part of the markup that contains this: destination="Upload.one().getRestangularUrl()"
[06:56:43] <BobbieBarker> it falls with in the directive i'm working on
[06:56:50] <snurfery> then, in that controller, 1) inject Upload, and 2) do $scope.Upload = Upload;
[06:56:51] <BobbieBarker> everything else works
[06:56:57] <BobbieBarker> i did!
[06:56:58] <BobbieBarker> lol
[06:57:15] <BobbieBarker> controller: function($scope, $upload, Upload, $timeout){         $scope.Upload = Upload;
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[06:58:16] <BobbieBarker> and that works, but $scope.destination doesn't
[06:59:26] <snurfery> can you post some code? on gist.github.com or something simple. Just the directive and the markup that contains destination="Upload.one().getRestangularUrl()"
[06:59:40] <BobbieBarker> wait maybe you where right and i'm full of shit
[06:59:53] <BobbieBarker> i changed destination to destination = "cheese" and it still came up undefined
[06:59:58] <BobbieBarker> maybe i need to use the parent controller
[07:00:08] <BobbieBarker> i mean parent scope
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[07:01:26] <snurfery> post code == twice as many eyes on it
[07:01:32] <snurfery> possibly a higher multiple
[07:01:54] <funhouse> Hi guys, so a friend of mine is telling me to forget jquery and go angularjs, smart guy?
[07:02:09] <snurfery> perhaps the smartest guy you know
[07:02:13] <snurfery> =)
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[07:02:38] <BobbieBarker> lol i'm making forward progress
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[07:02:58] <BobbieBarker> fuckin scopes can get you no matter who you are
[07:03:01] <BobbieBarker> stupid scopes
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[07:05:03] <davek> funhouse it depends entirely on what you're doing.
[07:05:23] <BobbieBarker> snurfery now would be appropriate to do the victory dance
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[07:05:52] <BobbieBarker> also FYI now my file upload drags, drops, and can be configured to shoot at any end point via restangular
[07:06:14] <BobbieBarker> but i think iw ant a better file upload solution than angular-file, that project is kind of shit
[07:06:19] <BobbieBarker> docs suck
[07:06:46] <BobbieBarker> and the amount of code you have to writeo get it to work, it's like you're practically writing the directive i'm not sure at all wtf the project provided me
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[07:09:53] <snurfery> fantastic
[07:10:29] <snurfery> yeah I'm not super stoked about angular-file-upload but it works and I could copypaste the example to suit my needs mostly
[07:11:09] <BobbieBarker> when i get more time i'm going to dig into that directive and see what its doing and see if i can't write something a little smarter and more cooperative with restangular
[07:11:23] <BobbieBarker> maybe publish it too
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[07:12:02] <BobbieBarker> also so i refactored portions of the project to use heirarchies on the routes
[07:12:07] <BobbieBarker> and one of my co developers didn't like it
[07:12:16] <BobbieBarker> he got pissy and said that each route should handle itself
[07:12:29] <BobbieBarker> i'm like why? then each route is hitting the DB unecessarily getting the same data
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[07:13:26] <BobbieBarker> makes for longer page loads too
[07:13:32] <BobbieBarker> cuz you're waiting for DB response
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[07:17:20] <TheAceOfHearts> imo, totally acceptable
[07:18:04] <BobbieBarker> are you talking to me ace?
[07:18:25] <TheAceOfHearts> yeah
[07:18:29] <BobbieBarker> thank you
[07:18:32] <BobbieBarker> i think i made shit better
[07:18:34] <BobbieBarker> also less server load
[07:18:38] <BobbieBarker> because of less DB hits
[07:18:52] <TheAceOfHearts> oh
[07:18:53] <TheAceOfHearts> I meant
[07:18:56] <TheAceOfHearts> that doing requests for data
[07:18:58] <TheAceOfHearts> totally accpetable lol
[07:19:02] <TheAceOfHearts> but I have a caching layer :P
[07:19:05] <BobbieBarker> lol
[07:19:12] <BobbieBarker> I don't think we have that yet
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[07:19:30] <TheAceOfHearts> you should
[07:19:31] <TheAceOfHearts> ah
[07:19:34] <TheAceOfHearts> I should open source mine
[07:19:36] <TheAceOfHearts> maybe soon
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[07:19:44] <TheAceOfHearts> I'm working on open sourcing my form validation code
[07:19:44] <BobbieBarker> cool dude
[07:19:59] <TheAceOfHearts> it amazes me how much people struggle with form validation
[07:20:04] <BobbieBarker> really?
[07:20:05] <BobbieBarker> it's cake
[07:20:06] <TheAceOfHearts> yeah
[07:20:10] <TheAceOfHearts> imo, it's a solved problem
[07:20:13] <BobbieBarker> i do mine in custom directives and use angular strap tooltips
[07:20:36] <TheAceOfHearts> that sounds tedious
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[07:20:55] <BobbieBarker> nah it's cake i'm going to write a component type error handling directive that can be configured
[07:21:07] <TheAceOfHearts> like ngMessages…?
[07:21:08] <BobbieBarker> so i'll just have one error handling directive project wide
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[07:21:18] <BobbieBarker> like ng-ihaven't thought it allthe way out
[07:21:18] <BobbieBarker> lol
[07:21:23] <BobbieBarker> but i know i can do it
[07:21:36] <TheAceOfHearts> ngmessages does what you just said
[07:21:41] <BobbieBarker> does it?
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[07:22:02] <BobbieBarker> i haven't ever used that
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[07:22:22] <TheAceOfHearts> it's only on like 1.3.0-beta.8 and above
[07:23:04] <BobbieBarker> we're on 1.2.19
[07:23:28] <TheAceOfHearts> tsk tsk
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[07:23:36] <TheAceOfHearts> yolo. live fast, die hard
[07:23:36] <BobbieBarker> which is stupid cuz i thought i set it to higher
[07:23:42] <BobbieBarker> nah i may change it
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[07:23:50] <BobbieBarker> we're in development... if it breaks something who cares?
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[07:23:57] <BobbieBarker> i can prolly fix it
[07:24:07] <TheAceOfHearts> lol
[07:24:25] <BobbieBarker> i usually leave stuff to "*" on my bowerjson file ind evelopment
[07:24:33] <BobbieBarker> if you get an update, what can go wrong?
[07:24:39] 
[07:24:53] <TheAceOfHearts> lol
[07:24:54] <BobbieBarker> lol
[07:25:17] <TheAceOfHearts> BobbieBarker: I check in my bower dependencies into my repo, since people can be dicks and delete their repos...
[07:25:32] <BobbieBarker> ya
[07:25:37] <BobbieBarker> i do too
[07:25:42] <TheAceOfHearts> or they can modify the version or w/e...
[07:25:47] <TheAceOfHearts> like, retag a release ._.
[07:25:49] <TheAceOfHearts> fucking assholes
[07:25:55] <BobbieBarker> i think thats what happend ehre
[07:26:03] <BobbieBarker> cuz i could of swore at one point i had the project set to 1.3
[07:26:08] <caitp> do you make sure that the version they license their packages under works for you
[07:26:18] <caitp> or is it always MIT-licensed because everything is MIT licensed
[07:26:33] <TheAceOfHearts> caitp: I have to check :(
[07:26:34] <TheAceOfHearts> it's a pain
[07:26:41] <TheAceOfHearts> I wanted to use a lib, but then I found it was GPL
[07:26:43] <BobbieBarker> no, silly caitp ace and I alraedy established the yolo principle
[07:26:57] <BobbieBarker> i guess ace backed off of yolo
[07:27:06] <TheAceOfHearts> I've started driving by TONS of Google Self Driving Cars in the valley, much jelly :(
[07:27:08] <BobbieBarker> sissy
[07:27:18] <BobbieBarker> oh for real?
[07:27:22] <TheAceOfHearts> yeah
[07:27:23] <caitp> you're jelly now but
[07:27:26] <BobbieBarker> until they get smeared across the road by a semi
[07:27:26] <TheAceOfHearts> at least 2 or 3 a day
[07:27:29] <caitp> just wait until they start exploding
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[07:27:32] <TheAceOfHearts> haha
[07:27:34] <caitp> it's only a matter of time
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[07:27:44] <BobbieBarker> you ever seen what happens to a small car when ti gets hit by a mac truck? I gets spread over about 200ft
[07:27:49] <BobbieBarker> and the ppl inside become the jelly
[07:28:02] <caitp> i've never seen that
[07:28:05] <BobbieBarker> i have
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[07:28:07] <caitp> what am I an EMT?
[07:28:13] <TheAceOfHearts> haha
[07:28:18] <BobbieBarker> i've also seen a small car ran over by a tank with the ppl in it
[07:28:22] <BobbieBarker> splat
[07:28:32] <TheAceOfHearts> well, sucks for em
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[07:28:37] <caitp> if i ever see that it will be from an inside perspective
[07:28:44] <TheAceOfHearts> I played Mario Kart 8 today with my coworkers and beat my boss \o/
[07:28:47] <caitp> as in the inside of the car that got splatted
[07:28:57] <BobbieBarker> i prefer to be in the tank
[07:29:12] <caitp> i couldn't live with myself in the tank
[07:29:21] <caitp> i guess i couldn't live with myself in the mini either
[07:29:23] <TheAceOfHearts> sure you could
[07:29:30] <caitp> for different reasons
[07:29:31] <TheAceOfHearts> caitp: who's gonna fuck with you when you're in a tank?
[07:29:34] <TheAceOfHearts> think about it.
[07:29:41] <TheAceOfHearts> nobody fucks with the person in the tank
[07:29:42] <BobbieBarker> the guy with the anti tank rounds?
[07:29:44] <caitp> who fucks with me now?
[07:29:48] <BobbieBarker> everything can be destroyed
[07:30:08] <caitp> nobody fucks with public transit :u
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[07:30:10] <TheAceOfHearts> caitp: maybe you're just in a giant tank and you don't know it, have you thought about THAT?
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[07:31:44] <TheAceOfHearts> BobbieBarker: I'm pretty sure if you have a dozen M1A2 Abrams, nobody's gonna fuck with you
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[07:32:10] <BobbieBarker> airforce has a bomb that can take out several dozen tanks at once
[07:32:31] <caitp> how likely are you to get hit by that bomb
[07:32:42] <caitp> you're more likely to be shot down over ukraine
[07:32:47] <BobbieBarker> lol
[07:33:37] <TheAceOfHearts> BobbieBarker: you know who makes the M1A2 Abrams? USA. I don't see anyone fucking around with the US.
[07:34:12] <TheAceOfHearts> in any case
[07:34:17] <TheAceOfHearts> I say if you get like a dozen M1A2's
[07:34:19] <caitp> you don't see it because clandestine operations is usually less obvious
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[07:34:41] <TheAceOfHearts> you can probably conquer a small city for a good while before being taken out
[07:34:42] <caitp> hence clandestine
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[07:35:02] <BobbieBarker> no you have to have al ot of people to occupy anything
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[07:36:06] <TheAceOfHearts> I'm just saying that if you manage to get a dozen M1A2's into manhattan and you can put them in the main exit points, the army will probably have a hard time getting rid of em without causing a lot of casualties, which they'll probably want to avoid :P
[07:36:42] <caitp> they could just let blackwater deal with it
[07:37:22] <BobbieBarker> that's not really how it works
[07:37:43] <BobbieBarker> <<--- is/was in the army
[07:37:49] <caitp> i'm aware
[07:38:00] <TheAceOfHearts> I think you're taking me far too seriously :P
[07:38:00] <BobbieBarker> lol
[07:38:06] <BobbieBarker> yeah i don't know why either
[07:38:18] <BobbieBarker> this is IRC
[07:38:19] <BobbieBarker> ffs
[07:38:19] <BobbieBarker> lol
[07:38:24] <caitp> because it's like the saturday morning comics
[07:38:27] <BobbieBarker> i think i have been at the keyboard for too long
[07:38:33] <BobbieBarker> i need to gtfo
[07:38:35] <BobbieBarker> so i'm out
[07:38:38] <BobbieBarker> for awhile
[07:38:38] <BobbieBarker> peace
[07:38:39] <TheAceOfHearts> but I'm still confident that if you got a dozen tanks into NYC you'd probably be able to cause quite a bit of chaos before getting taken out
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[07:38:47] <BobbieBarker> well fuck ya
[07:38:52] <BobbieBarker> dude tanks can drive through damn near anything
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[07:39:33] <TheAceOfHearts> I wish I had a tank :(
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[07:39:39] <snurfery> I need you guys' opinion, I'm debating with a dude
[07:39:41] <caitp> http://youtu.be/7xH9_9znxWM
[07:39:41] <peey> tanks can't drive through other tanks
[07:39:49] <snurfery> he's on the Polymer project
[07:40:04] <TheAceOfHearts> peey: you can if you have enough tanks :D
[07:40:06] <snurfery> and one of their core libraries stores a bunch of data on the "selected" attribute
[07:40:25] <snurfery> i.e. <paper-tab selected="myTabName">
[07:41:03] <snurfery> that causes issues with angular because angular tinkers with 'selected' to make sure it's boolean
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[07:41:33] <TheAceOfHearts> I didn't realize people used polymer in the real world
[07:41:50] <caitp> does anyone use polymer in the real world?
[07:41:51] <snurfery> I'm arguing that storing arbitrary string data on 'selected' is a bad idea, violates the spec, etc
[07:41:56] <caitp> i'd be surprised
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[07:42:07] <peey> Does anyone with users use polymer in the real world?
[07:42:08] <snurfery> I dunno, I was helping some dude with it yesterday and ended up filing this bug
[07:42:14] <TheAceOfHearts> haha
[07:42:17] <snurfery> some guy was trying to mix it and angular
[07:42:21] <TheAceOfHearts> wow.
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[07:42:23] <TheAceOfHearts> WOW.
[07:42:26] <snurfery> right?
[07:42:33] <TheAceOfHearts> yeah
[07:42:40] <caitp> i've mixed it with angular
[07:42:43] <caitp> terrible results
[07:42:51] <snurfery> anyway I decided to file a bug because I thought changing the behavior of a core attribute is irresponsible
[07:42:51] <caitp> but it was fun
[07:43:00] <TheAceOfHearts> I sorta like React: it's fast and it can do server-side rendering.
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[07:43:15] <snurfery> after seeing it I definitely want to try it, maybe when there are fewer sharp edges
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[07:44:24] <caitp> well, try it in the browser
[07:44:34] <caitp> beacuse it's really just dogfood for the browser
[07:44:44] <caitp> until they decide to do something more with the UI library
[07:45:13] <TheAceOfHearts> I feel compelled to learn React, cuz it's fast D:
[07:45:28] <caitp> learn it
[07:45:34] <TheAceOfHearts> I also saw that Object.observe is in Chrome 36 \o/
[07:45:38] <caitp> learn everything
[07:45:54] <snurfery> TheAceOfHearts: yeah saw that too
[07:46:06] <TheAceOfHearts> caitp: maybe in my free time :P
[07:46:12] <TheAceOfHearts> at work we'll be doing angular for a long time
[07:46:14] <snurfery> super stoked I have my whole team (backend guys) working with angular now too
[07:46:19] <TheAceOfHearts> the testing story with angular is just too good
[07:46:25] <snurfery> they're excited, I hyped it pretty effectively
[07:46:32] <snurfery> (well, Yeoman helped)
[07:46:42] <TheAceOfHearts> I don't really consider yeoman to be that useful
[07:46:56] <TheAceOfHearts> I mean, it depends on how often you're making apps I guess
[07:47:00] <snurfery> you're probably a much more professional frontend dev than I am
[07:47:02] <caitp> me neither but if it makes peoples lives simpler than why not
[07:47:05] <snurfery> ;)
[07:47:07] <caitp> i just think it has the opposite effect of that
[07:47:18] <TheAceOfHearts> snurfery: probably not :p
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[07:47:34] <TheAceOfHearts> well, I made a generator for myself for js projects
[07:47:44] <TheAceOfHearts> and I'll probably make one for angular directives
[07:47:55] <snurfery> yeoman was my first exposure to grunt, compass, a bunch of these minification tools, jslint, etc etc
[07:47:58] <TheAceOfHearts> which is really just copying over like a handful of files
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[07:48:13] <snurfery> so it was zero to hero without much effort
[07:48:23] <TheAceOfHearts> I think yeoman's generators are useful in showing people how they can structure their apps
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[07:48:36] <TheAceOfHearts> sorta how Rails is great cuz you can generate a Rails project, run a few commands and BAM
[07:48:38] <TheAceOfHearts> everything works
[07:49:03] <caitp> i've never had that experience with rails
[07:49:08] <caitp> it's always been more trouble than it's worth
[07:49:23] <TheAceOfHearts> Rails is great as long as you don't care about performance :P
[07:49:39] <TheAceOfHearts> it let our CTO get an app up and running quickly, and get funding \o/
[07:49:50] <TheAceOfHearts> and then my coworker and I came along to clean up his shity code \o/
[07:50:09] <caitp> don't talk bad about your CTO in public mang
[07:50:21] <TheAceOfHearts> it's not talking bad at all
[07:50:24] <TheAceOfHearts> he made the app as a POC
[07:50:39] <TheAceOfHearts> I'm confident that pretty much all application code is shit
[07:50:47] <caitp> i was going to expand on that with "unless your CTO is sane and can deal with criticism"
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[07:51:05] <caitp> which more people should
[07:51:05] <TheAceOfHearts> my CTO's awesome, today we had beer and played Mario Kart :P
[07:51:50] <TheAceOfHearts> but he recognizes that the app that he built is different from what we had now; back then there weren't any tests, cuz it was yolo mode and it was changing rapidly… but now stuff is stable, and it takes longer to build stuff, but we test it and make sure it's reliable :P
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[07:52:20] <caitp> nice
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[07:52:29] <TheAceOfHearts> caitp: I wrote a js lib that works all the way down to IE6 \o/
[07:52:31] <caitp> i need to do more of that
[07:52:46] <caitp> hah, I give up on that
[07:53:02] <TheAceOfHearts> I didn't really intend for it to work on IE6
[07:53:05] <TheAceOfHearts> it was just sort of accidental
[07:53:16] <caitp> "support IE6" >> "indexeddb, appcache, fetch, file api"
[07:53:22] <caitp> eff it
[07:53:31] <TheAceOfHearts> I'm using a few browserify modules; all I had to do to make it work was add es5-shim and json3 :P
[07:53:39] <TheAceOfHearts> haha, it's not an app, it's just a logging lib
[07:53:49] <TheAceOfHearts> so making it work in IE6 was actually painless
[07:54:10] <snurfery> ugh I committed to meeting people for dinner and I just wanna write code
[07:54:10] <caitp> logging like reporting errors to the server?
[07:54:16] <snurfery> bleh
[07:54:19] <TheAceOfHearts> logging like Google analytics
[07:54:27] <caitp> ah
[07:54:28] <TheAceOfHearts> https://github.com/treasure-data/td-js-sdk
[07:54:53] <caitp> same sort of thing
[07:55:01] <caitp> report to server rather than dev console
[07:55:05] <TheAceOfHearts> yeah
[07:55:09] <snurfery> oh snap
[07:55:12] <TheAceOfHearts> but it reports it to our own backend :P
[07:55:24] <TheAceOfHearts> so our customers can get data into Treasure Data easily \o/
[07:55:27] <caitp> reporting to a web console would be kinda pointless for ie6 anyways
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[07:55:41] <TheAceOfHearts> it's more like for tracking, I'd say
[07:56:02] <caitp> but does it work with netsurf?
[07:56:13] <TheAceOfHearts> I don't know what that is, so probably not
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[07:56:29] <caitp> http://www.netsurf-browser.org/
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[07:56:43] <caitp> crazy open source browser that targets like, amiga
[07:56:49] <TheAceOfHearts> haha
[07:56:56] <TheAceOfHearts> no, I require js :P
[07:57:13] <caitp> they use an old version of spidermonkey
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[07:58:02] <TheAceOfHearts> some men jsut want to watch the world burn.
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[07:59:06] <caitp> hey now, i've got a few lines of code in netsurf, it's not all men that want to watch the world burn :p
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[07:59:28] <TheAceOfHearts> some men and caitp just watch to watch the world burn~
[07:59:35] <caitp> mmyep
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[07:59:40] <TheAceOfHearts> haha
[07:59:53] <TheAceOfHearts> btw, I finally found something I can contribute to angular
[08:00:11] <TheAceOfHearts> I think ngMessage should let you set custom validation with a changing message
[08:00:20] <TheAceOfHearts> that way you can do server-side validation propagation :P
[08:00:35] <TheAceOfHearts> after I finish open sourcing my lib for that, I might dig into ngMessages \o/
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[08:01:36] <caitp> we had a meeting about the form stuff after my little unprofessional tirade last week, matias might be working on some changes to it
[08:01:41] <Emperor_Earth> Restangular/JS help: http://plnkr.co/edit/G86qxNHNjP5mKUNwp5WK     my console.log(user) properly shows user, my golang backend handling this request @ /api/user/login doesn't receive any data, json/postform/form etc. am i not posting right?
[08:01:50] <caitp> i'm not sure if ngMessages is really involved with the changes, though
[08:01:55] <caitp> might or might not be
[08:01:59] <TheAceOfHearts> I see
[08:02:06] <TheAceOfHearts> what tirade did you have last week :P?
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[08:02:43] <caitp> i got a bit miffed because something that should have been a really simple bugfix was made massively complicated by ngmodeloptions and the validator pipeline
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[08:02:55] <TheAceOfHearts> I see
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[08:03:21] <TheAceOfHearts> the whole validator pipeline seems odd to me
[08:03:32] <caitp> it's not really a pipeline
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[08:03:47] <TheAceOfHearts> validation thing, then :P
[08:03:49] <caitp> it could run in any order whatsoever
[08:03:58] <caitp> it's madness
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[08:04:31] <TheAceOfHearts> I think doing server-side validation propagation is really important :P
[08:04:35] <robdubya> tirade?
[08:05:51] <TheAceOfHearts> as in, if somehow you skip certain validation on the client, like.. you forget about it, or just don't wanna add it or w/e… the server responds with a 422 and an errors object that has the same form structure and it shows the error messages for all the items
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[08:05:58] <TheAceOfHearts> I have a directive and service for that \o/
[08:09:25] <caitp> robdubya, 2 weeks ago I checked in a hack to fix native validation (numbers), and shahata wants to re-arrange the hack
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[08:09:41] <caitp> which is fine, it's not really making a real difference, just changing where the hack lives
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[08:10:13] <TheAceOfHearts> the whole web is just a series of hacks :P
[08:10:17] <caitp> but after dealing with another issue in form validation I started freaking out saying we need to redesign it from scratch because everything has too many side effects and it's becoming a crazy maze like the select directive
[08:10:39] <TheAceOfHearts> +1 to throwing it all away and starting from scratch \o/
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[08:11:02] <caitp> and I got called out for it because it was very unprofessional :( and it's true, I guess I need to learn to say "rewrite it from scratch" in a more constructive way
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[08:11:12] <caitp> but I still think it's the best thing to do
[08:11:32] <TheAceOfHearts> caitp: make your own ng-form. with blackjack and hookers!
[08:11:38] <caitp> hah
[08:11:57] <caitp> there was some talk of moving all of the validation stuff into a separate module actually
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[08:12:14] <caitp> if that were possible then it would be possible, but it's hard to do that because it's such a core thing
[08:12:31] <caitp> 2-way binding depends pretty heavily on integration with form controls :s
[08:12:49] <Emperor_Earth> Restangular/JS help: frontend confirms that user is json object, backend doesn't receive. is there any issue with my restangular related code? http://plnkr.co/edit/G86qxNHNjP5mKUNwp5WK
[08:13:01] <TheAceOfHearts> argh, restangular.
[08:14:03] <caitp> your backend serves a 200 for login errors?
[08:14:04] <caitp> o-o
[08:14:35] <TheAceOfHearts> sweet jesus have mercy on your soul
[08:14:48] <Emperor_Earth> caitp, that's not the part i'm working on yet. i'm starting with sending and receiving json thru restangular
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[08:15:11] <TheAceOfHearts> Emperor_Earth: you'll want 401's for login errors :P
[08:15:15] <TheAceOfHearts> well
[08:15:19] <TheAceOfHearts> 422 for validation
[08:15:26] <TheAceOfHearts> 401 if they try to go somewhere and they're not logged in
[08:15:27] <Emperor_Earth> TheAceOfHearts, i'm well aware of http codes, can i focus on this one part please
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[08:15:33] <TheAceOfHearts> you can
[08:15:58] <Emperor_Earth> caitp, do you see an error in my restangular code?
[08:16:10] <TheAceOfHearts> caitp: do you use restangular anywhere
[08:16:11] <TheAceOfHearts> ?
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[08:17:00] <caitp> nah
[08:17:12] <Emperor_Earth> caitp, is that at me or ace?
[08:17:18] <caitp> ace
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[08:17:32] <caitp> i don't have the restangular api memorized
[08:17:41] <caitp> or any api, really
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[08:17:57] <Emperor_Earth> i compared many times, and this is about as simple as use case as you can get
[08:18:31] <Emperor_Earth> [restangularObject].post([json object]).then([start promise chain]
[08:18:45] <Emperor_Earth> idk why the backend doesn't get anything
[08:18:46] <shawnzhu___> has anyone experienced "[$injector:modulerr]" error on firefox only? (the application code itself works very well on chrome and safari)
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[08:19:13] <TheAceOfHearts> shawnzhu___: last time I had problems with a browser I decided to stop supporting it and my life became better. \o/
[08:19:41] <shawnzhu___> @TheAceOfHearts stop supporting firefox or the app?
[08:19:44] <Emperor_Earth> TheAceOfHearts, do all your responses provide no help? are you just commenting for the sake of it?
[08:20:12] <TheAceOfHearts> I try my bestest, but alas, sometimes I do accidentally help
[08:20:26] <TheAceOfHearts> shawnzhu___: well, I stopped supproting IE9 :P
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[08:21:15] <shawnzhu___> I've analyzed the error stack and callstack on browser based on timeline and my thought is angular starts to bootstrap app on HTML doc prior to the brower loading the app module
[08:21:46] <TheAceOfHearts> shawnzhu___: that's really odd. how are you loading all your stuff?
[08:22:17] <shawnzhu___> but it happens on firefox only because it may start loading the app module javascript code after event "DOMContentLoaded" on firefox
[08:22:19] <caitp> shawnzhu___, not seen that, but if you're loading scripts asynchronously than it's likely
[08:22:45] <shawnzhu___> I use defer attr on <script> before the end of </body>
[08:22:47] <Emperor_Earth> shawnzhu___, are you using require/browserify or anything like that?
[08:23:05] <TheAceOfHearts> shawnzhu___: you should just put all your scripts into 1 file :P
[08:23:26] <TheAceOfHearts> like, as part of the build process ,of course~
[08:23:55] <shawnzhu___> yes,  this is the first idea in my mind when seeing this. glad you think so too
[08:24:28] <shawnzhu___> combine angularjs itself with app module code in 1 script?
[08:24:38] <TheAceOfHearts> I do that with my app at work
[08:25:13] <shawnzhu___> ok. the key thing is we need to make sure the angular app code is loaded before angluar bootstraps the app
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[08:25:28] <TheAceOfHearts> a gigantic 425KB after gzip file :P
[08:25:45] <caitp> shawnzhu___, you can manually bootstrap with angular.bootstrap(0
[08:26:08] <caitp> if you really want to asynchronously load scripts
[08:26:08] <shawnzhu___> @caitp yes, that's also a good idea.
[08:26:22] <caitp> it's not "an idea", it's basically required if you do this
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[08:26:37] <caitp> there's no other way to use requirejs in angular for example
[08:26:48] <shawnzhu___> well, I depends on angular itself to bootstrap the single app automatically.
[08:27:07] <shawnzhu___> I can manually bootstrap after all the code is loaded
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[08:27:23] <caitp> yes
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[08:28:01] <shawnzhu___> @TheAceOfHearts the 425KB are minimized version???
[08:28:17] <shawnzhu___> thanks @caitp and @TheAceOfHearts
[08:28:35] <TheAceOfHearts> gzipped and minified :P
[08:28:45] <TheAceOfHearts> I should mention that it includes all of our templates too
[08:28:52] <TheAceOfHearts> so basically, you get the WHOLE page
[08:29:05] <TheAceOfHearts> erm, whole app*
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[09:11:02] <rahulprasad> Hi need help with OAuth2 implementation with AngularJs.
[09:11:20] <rahulprasad> I dont understand how its safe to use OAuth2 if I have to put API key and secret both in my javascript code
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[11:29:48] <noobee> how can I access directive function from controller?
[11:29:59] <noobee> directive scope function
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[11:45:48] <ratra_> Hi
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[11:51:13] <Vitaly> Hello
[11:51:54] <Vitaly> It's been almost a week since 1.2.20 was released. Why hasn't still been updated on NuGet?
[11:52:23] <Vitaly> I noticed it generally takes a while to see the updates on NuGet
[11:52:54] <Vitaly> In fact, 13.6 was the last Beta published there
[11:53:04] <Vitaly> I meant 1.3.6
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[11:58:05] <noobee> it what case should i use service and in what case should i use factory/
[11:58:06] <noobee> ?
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[11:59:52] <prikk> noobee: you should really try google out, there's great explanations for it
[11:59:56] <prikk> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15666048/angular-js-service-vs-provider-vs-factory
[12:00:21] <noobee> what if i want to create a modal dialog?
[12:00:24] <prikk> that goes for almost all programming questions you could ever imagine.. ask google first, and you'll be happy that you did
[12:00:24] <prikk> :)
[12:00:33] <noobee> should i use directive? service or factory or provider?
[12:00:39] <noobee> all these are crazy terms...
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[12:01:12] <prikk> ok, well the fact that you're asking that means that you probably haven't understood some core concepts about angular js.. no harm in that, just saying
[12:01:14] <noobee> i actually did that, but there are too many of them, keep on encountering new terminologies whenever I search for angular problems
[12:01:22] <prikk> directive is what you should be looking at
[12:01:43] <prikk> google some directive tutorial
[12:01:47] <noobee> but with directive I cannot use it to call function defined in the directive
[12:01:54] <noobee> lets shay modal.open()
[12:02:33] <prikk> a dialog directive could be <dialog visibility="dialogVisibility">your content</dialog>
[12:02:39] <prikk> $scope.visibility = true;
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[12:02:56] <prikk> it's supposed to be a self-sustained component in your application
[12:03:08] <prikk> representing some markup/operations on markup
[12:03:23] <noobee> i want an action to be a function in my code for readability
[12:03:33] <prikk> [12:02:31] <prikk> $scope.visibility = true; <-should be $scope.dialogVisibility, sorry
[12:03:36] <noobee> can I do that?
[12:04:13] <prikk> you should put things where they belong.. ng-action calls a method on your controller, which in turn can set the dialog visibility (if you're talking about this very case)
[12:04:26] <prikk> i'm talking in broad general terms here
[12:04:40] <prikk> the "solution" i proposed may not be optimal, but is an explanation what directives are
[12:04:59] <noobee> yes i have that kind of modal directive
[12:05:14] <prikk> ok, and you use your directives inside your templates
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[12:06:45] <noobee> is there any page that explains all angular terms in hirrarchy?
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[12:07:10] <noobee> like controllers modules, provider, services, factory, directives,
[12:07:13] <noobee> too many
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[12:08:01] <noobee> is google trying to lock us to use angular forever? by having us to write everything in angular way?
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[12:08:21] <lighter> Hi .. I am hitting an issue while using $http.post and node mongo insertion
[12:08:22] <noobee> i cannot use my existing JS libraries, need to make them to be angular directives
[12:08:35] <lighter> there is a property added with $$hashKey
[12:08:44] <lighter> any idea how to avoid that error
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[12:10:08] <prikk> noobee: https://angularjs.org/
[12:10:09] <prikk> :P
[12:10:14] <prikk> it's basically on the front page
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[12:10:34] <prikk> regarding "locking" the answer is: no, you're just not grasping it
[12:10:53] <prikk> if you need existing tools in a new technology, of course they have to be adapted
[12:11:00] <prikk> noone's forcing you to do anything
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[12:11:46] <noobee> do you love angular js?
[12:11:55] <noobee> how angularjs compared to ember? in your opinion?
[12:12:16] <prikk> odd questions
[12:12:17] <prikk> :)
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[12:12:28] <prikk> (this first one anyway)
[12:12:33] <prikk> i haven't tried ember other than a tutorial
[12:12:37] <lighter> anyone ? How can i avoid the $$hashkey property that is being added ..cause its causing error in node server
[12:12:37] <prikk> i liked it
[12:13:00] <prikk> try out the tutorial on their site and see for yourself
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[12:13:21] <peey> noobee: you can't learn everything at once. Try starting with basic projects with just controllers, factories and inbuilt directives. If you like what you see, go ahead and learn more
[12:13:42] <noobee> yes i like angular at first try
[12:13:55] <noobee> but as i got a bit deeper, i started to have so many problems
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[12:14:08] <prikk> have patience
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[12:16:15] <Ephemeral> noobee, get a good book
[12:16:16] <Ephemeral> :o
[12:16:26] <noobee> i have oriely angularjs
[12:16:46] <noobee> what confuses me now is everything in angular seems to be singletons
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[12:17:04] <noobee> for example what if i want to create multiple modals
[12:17:08] <Ephemeral> https://www.ng-book.com/
[12:17:11] <Ephemeral> i find that to be rather good.
[12:17:30] <noobee> its so expensive
[12:17:31] <noobee> 79
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[12:18:27] <Ephemeral> you're on the internet.
[12:18:51] <Ephemeral> but it is worthwhile.
[12:19:59] <prikk> noobee: directives aren't really singletons
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[12:20:14] <prikk> services are more singletonish
[12:20:18] <prikk> most of the time
[12:20:21] <prikk> they don't have to be, though
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[12:20:59] <prikk> you can create a factory service which produces other objects which you use etc, it's just plain JS in the end
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[12:24:16] <lighter> ok got over the problem by removing those properties in server :)
[12:25:22] <lighter> noobee i can confirm you one thing that angular is power
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[12:30:29] <mchapman> Can anyone suggest a way of having something between when and otherwise using ngrouter?  To add parametereised routes early in the boot that may clash with hardcoded routes that have to be added later?
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[12:32:08] <noobee> so angularjs is power?
[12:32:12] <mchapman> eg a library wants to add route /:model without impacting on a later module that that wants to /dashboard
[12:32:30] <noobee> can I get transcendance with angular?
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[12:33:47] <lighter> first prove that transcendance is possible using power
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[12:34:41] <noobee> can I upload my consciousness to angularjs?
[12:34:47] <noobee> to google?
[12:35:52] <mchapman> google already have your consciousness
[12:36:16] <lighter> he ll be surprised by how much google already knows ? :P
[12:36:48] <mchapman> Gogle Now is working on potential future consciousnesses
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[12:37:17] <LoveAndHappiness> ss
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[12:37:51] <lighter> love google now
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[12:44:51] <noobee> yes thats true...
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[12:45:02] <noobee> google always shows me ads thats related to me
[12:45:36] <noobee> if i use @ in directive scope
[12:45:42] <noobee> that directive will be singleton?
[12:46:36] <Foxandxss> no
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[12:50:00] <noobee> in my controller I will have
[12:50:03] <noobee> $scope.show
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[12:50:26] <noobee> but if I have 2 same directives in my view
[12:50:37] <noobee> it will only listen to $scope.show
[12:50:53] <noobee> it won't be singleton
[12:50:58] <noobee> but it will have one settings
[12:51:07] <Foxandxss> link function will run twice
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[12:52:04] <noobee> if i set $scope.show = true
[12:52:14] <noobee> which directive in view do i set?
[12:52:59] <lighter> just follow what ur heart says
[12:53:40] <Foxandxss> noobee: I have no idea what the `$scope.show = true` would trigger
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[12:54:50] <noobee> it will trigger modal
[12:54:51] <frostig> Hey, I'm completely new to angular (went through the basics this night) and I have a question, when having a backend with sessions what is the best way to go about that? Oauth seems a bit overkill for a simple app and if the api is on a subdomain I should be able to use normal session handling, yes?
[12:55:09] <noobee> anyway i was just asking question im wondering
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[12:55:11] <noobee> im not using @ yet
[12:55:15] <noobee> im using = now
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[12:57:00] <LoveAndHappiness> angularjs bi directional capability is a rabbit hole
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[13:07:49] <niop> hi, if anyone knows something of firebase, i need a node server backend to do some stuff. does firebase support that?  often mention of node support in firebase, but the impression i have is that the node server needs to run on another host.
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[13:08:46] <niop> there's mention of "npm install firebase" but assume this is for firebase stuff to run where the nose server is actually set up.
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[13:09:19] <LoveAndHappiness> niop actually no
[13:09:48] <LoveAndHappiness> firebase have their own backend
[13:09:53] <LoveAndHappiness> database I mean
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[13:11:12] <niop> what a lovely name..
[13:11:29] <niop> not feeling that quite with this node issue as yet
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[13:12:21] <niop> their own backend.. which is to say.. that if you want a node server, to handle authentication say.. it would have to be on another host. they do provide hosting.. firebase..but you're saying it's not an option to run it here.
[13:12:26] <niop> *there
[13:12:28] <zelrik> morning
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[13:12:52] <niop> any suggestions? for a host to run a simple node server.
[13:13:18] <zelrik> I dont use node
[13:13:31] <niop> it's very nice apparently
[13:13:47] <niop> i intend to use it.. but not sure where to put it quite yet.
[13:14:30] <zelrik> I cant live outside of rails
[13:14:31] <niop> is there a decent but cheap and not too nasty way to quickly get one going.. decent performance wise, if there's any suggestions
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[13:15:05] <niop> well, that was where i started. in fact where my love was.  but getting into..  the indications were that rails, as much as i like the language, is going the way of the dinosaurs.
[13:15:12] <niop> *it
[13:15:34] <niop> the rest style architecture.. and no doubt other things.
[13:15:52] <zelrik> not sure about that
[13:16:07] <niop> no, nor am i
[13:16:24] <niop> nor where to put node.
[13:16:53] <zelrik> even though I think you can put sprockets on anything
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[13:20:05] <lighter> start with a seed
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[13:21:00] <niop> this relates to sprockets, node or a garden
[13:21:25] <noobee> is it worth it to make commitment to learn angularjs?
[13:21:42] <zelrik> noobee, if you wanna learn angularJS, yes
[13:21:44] <zelrik> :)
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[13:22:51] <zelrik> noobee, had to learn it for work, so far I like it
[13:23:14] <zelrik> I want to learn more advanced stuff though
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[13:31:36] <niop> angular can get hairy at times i've found, getting into directives and scopes, components, and knowing what's actually happening structure wise.. not as clear as in traditional languages like java.  but client seems to be the way to go. and google probably has some idea of what's going to make a nice web..
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[13:32:33] <zelrik> they are trying to remove some complexity in the next version of angular
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[13:33:24] <lighter> worth it sure
[13:34:04] <lighter> noobee it will help in transcendence at some level :P
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[16:10:59] <bencc> is there an eta for 2.0?
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[16:11:25] <zelrik> bencc, whenever it s ready
[16:11:25] <zelrik> :)
[16:11:35] <bencc> ha ha ha
[16:11:38] <bencc> not funny
[16:11:46] <billli> Hi all, Does angular 1.3 support bind once? or do I have to use Pasvaz/bindonce
[16:12:09] <zelrik> bencc, but accurate
[16:12:28] <bencc> I asked if there is an eta not when it'll be ready
[16:12:33] <bencc> a simple answer could be no
[16:12:44] <zelrik> yeah the short answer is no
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[16:13:23] <zelrik> Sorry, I gave you more information than necessary
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[16:53:42] <sal1191> is karma only for client side testing?
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[16:55:00] <Climax777> sal1191: what i've learnt is that few things only serve one purpose
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[16:58:51] <sal1191> i see, i see
[16:59:30] <Climax777> another thing i've learnt is, using the right tool for the job is always a good idea
[17:00:28] <house> webstorm..   good tool for the job..
[17:00:39] <house> i'm loving it.
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[17:01:19] <Climax777> i've been using ide's all my life. only recently got to playing around with vim. never been more happy
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[17:02:14] <house> vimis nice if you have to work right on the console. but if you are working locally, use webstorm in vim mode
[17:02:23] <house> pretty sweet.
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[17:03:03] <sal1191> Ive been using vim for a year. its great
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[17:03:14] <sal1191> especially cause i work on my dev server over ssh
[17:03:30] <sal1191> perfect tool
[17:03:33] <Climax777> i use vim all the place
[17:03:45] <sal1191> i use it for everything now
[17:03:48] <sal1191> emails, homework
[17:03:59] <Climax777> emails? how
[17:04:08] <sal1191> mutt
[17:04:18] <Climax777> though you might say that
[17:04:29] <Climax777> i will give it a try thanks
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[17:04:38] <house> i like vim.. been using it for years..  since its first version came out for the atari ST in fact.
[17:04:39] <sal1191> sure
[17:04:49] <sal1191> wow i didnt know that
[17:04:50] <house> but, i still think we bstorm is the next step
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[17:05:04] <house> in the evolution of tools  for dev, especially JS dev
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[17:05:20] <Climax777> i use eclipse usually. i need python, java, c++, and js all in one ide
[17:05:29] <Climax777> that is before vim
[17:05:47] <sal1191> have you tried jedi vim for python?
[17:06:21] <Climax777> i can't say that i have. i'm working on node now. mean stack...
[17:06:35] <Climax777> used to dev for django
[17:06:36] <sal1191> right on
[17:07:03] <sal1191> I wonder if there is JS autocompletion out there for node
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[17:07:16] <house> webstorm's got it.
[17:07:20] <sal1191> for vim?
[17:07:23] <sal1191> though
[17:07:25] <Climax777> there is some yes
[17:07:29] <house> (put it in vim umulation mode)
[17:07:42] <sal1191> haha can i use it over ssh though?
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[17:07:49] <Climax777> i'll go get the link that i used to setup all the vim plugins (hope you're using vundle?)
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[17:07:55] <sal1191> i vim from my phone
[17:08:05] <sal1191> yes i use vundle
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[17:08:30] <Climax777> https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Vim-Plugins
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[17:09:00] <sal1191> ah this looks promising
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[17:09:19] <Climax777> a wiki on node just for vim... heaven
[17:09:27] <sal1191> ill check that out when i make it home. im on my phone now :x
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[17:09:43] <sal1191> thanks m8
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[17:11:50] <sal1191> anybody have a good example of a directive theyve written? i havent written my own yet and im trying to see what kinds of tasks they are used for typically
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[17:12:20] <sal1191> i know what they are used for in general, listening to events and modifying the dom etc
[17:12:26] <Climax777> on angular's main page near the bottom is an example of a directive for implementing tabs
[17:12:55] <sal1191> ill check that one out
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[17:13:32] <sal1191> ive been using angular for a few weeks now and a directive is the only major thing i havent written
[17:13:43] <sal1191> i just use other people's directives
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[17:17:12] <sal1191> Climax777: do you use irssi?
[17:18:03] <Climax777> nope. quassel on ubuntu
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[17:18:35] <sal1191> ah never heard of that one
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[17:18:44] <Climax777> its graphical
[17:18:51] <davedev24_> Hi can you help me out? If there are any angular.js newbies around, sign up with code school through this link and receive 2 free days to access all their coursework on the subject (and more). By signing up through this link I'll get an extra day as well. Thanks. http://go.codeschool.com/46bkwg
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[17:20:55] <Climax777> sal1191: my .vimrc is available under my public gists. you are welcome to it. (same nick)
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[17:21:48] <sal1191> Climax777: thanks i might actually use it. i forgot i had wiped my server when i was having nginx problems. my vim is vanilla atm
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[17:22:42] <sal1191> so is karma an alternative to phantomjs?
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[17:24:11] <sal1191> in terms of its being useful for testing client side javascripts
[17:25:26] <Climax777> karma is a test runner. phantomjs is basically a mock browser
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[17:25:38] <Climax777> don't quote me on that though
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[17:27:27] <sal1191> right i love phantomjs
[17:27:35] <sal1191> I always assumed its practical purpose was for testing
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[17:27:57] <sal1191> I used it to write a script that logs into my bank account and prints my account balance to stdout
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[17:28:29] <sal1191> karma essentially does the same thing though, if it is able to test client side code
[17:28:45] <sal1191> then it must run a browser-like VM in that it evaluates javascript
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[17:29:18] <TorchDragon_> I'm trying to bind a checkbox to a getter/setter but instead of calling the getter/setter functions, its replacing the function with the boolean value. Any ideas?
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[17:30:17] <sal1191> TorchDragon_: can you reproduce this in a plunkr?
[17:30:39] <TorchDragon_> sal1191: I've had very little luck with plunkr actually working for me.
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[17:30:51] <sal1191> ok, what syntax are you using to call the functions?
[17:31:03] <Climax777> i've never thought about it that way. karma uses phantomjs (or chrome etc.) in order to run the tests
[17:31:09] <TorchDragon_> sal1191: People link me to plunkr all the time from here and all I get is "exception not found" so they end up having to throw me a gist link.
[17:31:53] <TorchDragon_> I'm using the syntax defined on the ngModel doc page. https://docs.angularjs.org/api/ng/directive/ngModel
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[17:32:13] <TorchDragon_> The difference being the object I'm binding to is inside of a service.
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[17:32:49] <TorchDragon_> So instead of $scope.user, its $scope.userSession.rememberUsername (which is a getter/setter function inside my userSession service)
[17:32:53] <sal1191> I see so you are trying to call the service's methods
[17:32:57] <sal1191> when the model is updated
[17:33:00] <TorchDragon_> Yep.
[17:33:05] <sal1191> try ng-change
[17:33:22] <sal1191> let me see if i can drum up an example
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[17:33:50] <TorchDragon_> Ick..
[17:34:02] <TorchDragon_> So you're saying I need to have a scope getter/setter to call my model getter/setter?
[17:34:29] <sal1191> yes your view code should not have access to your service layer
[17:34:33] <sal1191> that is what the controller is all about
[17:34:59] <TorchDragon_> It doesn't directly.
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[17:35:15] <TorchDragon_> I have userSession as my injected service, then $scope.userSession = userSession;
[17:35:40] <sal1191> thats fine
[17:35:59] <sal1191> hang on
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[17:37:57] <sal1191> this guy wrote a directive for it: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/21289577/getter-setter-support-with-ng-model-in-angularjs
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[17:38:11] <sal1191> interesting
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[17:38:27] <sal1191> im checkin out if theres a best practice on this one
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[17:40:35] <TorchDragon_> There's supposedly native getter/setter support.
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[17:48:14] <sal1191> TorchDragon_: I dont know about native support in the way youre saying
[17:48:24] <sal1191> but look at this jsfiddle, this guy does it in a cool way
[17:48:27] <sal1191> http://jsfiddle.net/BDyAs/15/
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[18:07:17] <Guest42467> Hi Angular, question relating to ui-router: how do I change the default route on pageload only if the url doesn't contain a valid route already?  I can put $state.go('home') in app.run, but I only want that to happen if no route is specified via url.
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[18:11:26] <prikk> Guest42467: are you looking for "$urlRouterProvider.otherwise("/state1");" ?
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[18:11:42] <prikk> from https://github.com/angular-ui/ui-router#nested-states--views
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[18:12:19] <Guest42467> mmm yeah I think that's what I'm looking for, I'll check it out.
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[18:13:08] <billli> I’ve added logic to $rootScope.$on('$stateChangeStart', function (event, toState) { }) so that it will redirect the user to the app.login state if the user is not logged in
[18:13:22] <billli> However, when I am testing this, I am not seeing the state changing...
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[18:14:15] <billli> ie)       assert.notOk($rootScope.AuthenticationService.getIsLoggedIn())
[18:14:16] <billli>       $state.go('app.admin.index');
[18:14:17] <billli>       $rootScope.$apply()
[18:14:18] <billli>       assert.equal($state.current.name, 'app.login')
[18:15:10] <Guest42467> prikk: that worked, thanks very much
[18:15:33] <prikk> np, it is literally from the first example code in the docs :)
[18:16:18] <Guest42467> prikk: now I feel like i've wasted your time.  I honestly was googling for 20 mins and didn't find it :)
[18:16:38] <prikk> haha alright
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[18:16:57] <prikk> there's a lot of people here who seem to shun googling
[18:16:58] <prikk> :)
[18:17:06] <prikk> so you're fine!
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[18:18:10] <Guest42467> prikk: I realize now that my crime is not reading the main page ... just the wiki page and the FAQ page, plus the api reference.
[18:18:30] <prikk> :D
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[18:18:58] <prikk> tbh i think $urlRouterProvider is from angular
[18:19:07] <prikk> not ui-router
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[18:20:35] <Guest42467> prikk: I haven't used that either.  I've been working on a project at work where we shoe-horned flatiron/director into the angular roject for our routing needs.
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[18:21:03] <prikk> hehe alright
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[18:36:52] <Rockfordal> are there any courses or information on using associated models (with $resource, rectangular or breeze?)
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[19:14:00] <Strues> Whats the best way to handle this situation without forcing a user to repeat information? Ive got a user registration system, that Ive added some extra fields to. I'm now trying to create another form that shares some common fields from the registration
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[20:13:57] <sal1191> I am having trouble posting a form to a PHP backend
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[20:14:18] <sal1191> it works when you curl --data "q=18&a=24" http://ecdesign.co/api/try.php
[20:14:34] <sal1191> but when I post the form using $http
[20:14:39] <sal1191> PHP sees null values for q and a
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[20:16:29] <sal1191> and I'm not sure why. Ive tried changing the headers to x-www-form-urlencoded
[20:16:34] <sal1191> however the same thing occurs
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[20:36:41] <Zerot> sal1191: angular has only a json transformer by default for $http
[20:36:50] <Zerot> so it will only send stuff over as json
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[20:37:19] <Zerot> if you want to send it over as form-encoded you will need to make your own transformer and add it to the transformers array in $http
[20:37:33] <sal1191> I tried that, added a transformResponse service
[20:38:04] <Zerot> sal1191: that doesn
[20:38:05] <sal1191> although I didnt have any success. it was easier to change my PHP to use file_get_contents('php://input')
[20:38:11] <Zerot> doesn't make sense
[20:38:20] <Zerot> because you want to transform the request, not the response
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[20:38:55] <sal1191> thats what I meant sorry
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[20:40:33] <sal1191> anybody have experience with Ionic Modals? I am trying to create the effect of "switching out" modals
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[20:41:02] <sal1191> its a quiz game, when you answer a question right, the modal goes down, and the modal for the next question comes up
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[20:41:19] <sal1191> ive tried this using $timeout but it doesnt seem to work
[20:41:36] <sal1191> wonderin if anyone had accomplished something like this
[20:41:47] <oddalot> can you make one modal work?
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[20:42:06] <sal1191> yes
[20:42:08] <sal1191> heres what I got so far
[20:42:14] <sal1191> http://ecdesign.co/#/game/module/8
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[20:42:33] <sal1191> but when the second modal is supposed to appear, it doesnt
[20:42:37] <sal1191> you have to click the play module button again
[20:42:51] <oddalot> it does appear, but then quickly dissapears
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[20:43:02] <oddalot> just find what's calling it to close in the js
[20:43:24] <sal1191> I am calling the hide() function when you get the answer right
[20:43:26] <sal1191> on the modal
[20:43:35] <sal1191> and then I $timeout, show()
[20:43:55] <sal1191> its the same modal that appears with different content in the model
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[20:44:29] <oddalot> sounds like you need to get your timeouts in order
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[20:45:04] <sal1191> maybe, ill try a few more things
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[20:51:23] <sal1191> Got it! needed a longer $timeout
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[20:51:35] <sal1191> real smooth transition now
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[20:52:02] <sal1191> oddalot: thanks for the tip mate
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[20:52:45] <oddalot> np
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[20:57:50] <greengriminal> Given that I have the following: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/fc1805f9250c2a85e07e my problem is when I click "Add Resource" i keep getting "TypeErrod undefined is not a function"
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[20:58:58] <greengriminal> Why would it fail? When I check if the var "a" is undefined.
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[21:00:05] <save> anyone have some good resources for learning unit testing.. more theory, what to test, how to get started with tdd... rather than just 'how to use jasmine'
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[21:03:03] <rgolea> hi there people... I would like to know what do you think is the best and fastest backend for angular
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[21:04:08] <rgolea> i was using codeigniter and i was a full-time php dev
[21:04:19] <rgolea> but now i need a change
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[21:04:48] <rgolea> and i think node is awsome but has lots of limitations when you're publishing
[21:05:01] <rgolea> node/express/sailsjs
[21:05:38] <save> rgolea: what limitations are you hitting with node?
[21:05:47] <rgolea> publishing
[21:06:09] <rgolea> it's expensive or you have to put your own server
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[21:06:24] <save> expensive? digital ocean is $5 a month
[21:06:28] <save> how cheap do you want
[21:06:47] <save> cloudatcost is one time fee
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[21:06:54] <save> lots of cheap options for vps out there
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[21:07:11] <rgolea> okay... so... you think is the best for angular?
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[21:07:30] <save> i like node, it fits my business requirements
[21:07:46] <save> but my api is completely siloed from my front end, so really it doesnt matter
[21:08:11] <rgolea> so... node it is?
[21:08:15] <save> sure
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[21:08:26] <rgolea> one other cuestion
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[21:08:45] <save> what im saying is that if you like php, and are comfortable with working with php on the backend, why leave it unless you have a specific reason to do so
[21:08:46] <rgolea> how do you manage authentification with angular if you're using phonegap?
[21:09:05] <rgolea> well... i don't want to be stuck
[21:09:37] <save> what specifically about managing authentication is the issue?
[21:09:54] <rgolea> sessions
[21:10:06] <save> store it in a cookie, or localstorage, or a service
[21:10:23] <rgolea> so you send a token or something like that?
[21:10:34] <rgolea> thank you for the info btw
[21:10:34] <save> https://medium.com/opinionated-angularjs/techniques-for-authentication-in-angularjs-applications-7bbf0346acec
[21:10:38] <save> yes token is nice
[21:10:44] <save> if you work with node
[21:10:48] <save> json web token is good
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[21:10:59] <rgolea> thank you
[21:11:06] <save> http://www.intridea.com/blog/2013/11/7/json-web-token-the-useful-little-standard-you-haven-t-heard-about
[21:11:21] <save> if you choose sailsjs, i would recommend jwt
[21:11:39] <rgolea> i'm really coding as a hobby so thank you for the info
[21:11:40] <rgolea> :D
[21:12:00] <save> if you want google / facebook / github / whatever social login
[21:12:02] <save> use passport.js
[21:12:04] <rgolea> it's very nice to have some programmers that can help you once in a while
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[21:12:19] <rgolea> thank you again save
[21:12:23] <save> yes just pay it forward
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[21:41:32] <hnordt> save do u think is necessary to read about flux in react docs? or I can get started without reading it?
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[21:57:55] <Kallb123> Hi guys, struggling to inject/access a service inside a $timeout. Can anyone take a quick look at this snipper? http://hastebin.com/awagofelir.js
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[22:00:25] <Kallb123> I tried $timeout(function(feedLoader) {, and removing feedLoader like: $timeout(function() {, but it just won't pick it up
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[22:04:10] <Kallb123> Solved, I'm just stupid
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[22:04:43] <Foxandxss> no parameter
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[22:05:51] <Kallb123> sorry?
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[22:11:21] <bilalq> Hey everyone, I have a quick question regarding the ui-router
[22:11:37] <bilalq> if I'm in a certain state and have a form, I want to transition to another state on form submission
[22:11:49] <bilalq> but somehow pass the form data to this other state
[22:12:02] <bilalq> is there a way to do that other than adding query paramters?
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[22:17:55] <Foxandxss> bilalq: save it on a service
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[22:19:56] <bilalq> Foxandxss: I suppose I could do that, but then it would be a bit persistent
[22:20:08] <bilalq> I suppose I could just clear it after retrieving it
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[22:20:53] <Foxandxss> services is always the best way of sharing stuff
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[22:21:43] <bilalq> That is what I always hear, but I can't help but feel that there should be a more lightweight way to send along data in a state/route transition
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[23:00:08] <Newb> i came here to ask something from someone who really knows angular stuff, are there ?
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[23:00:34] <sal1191> there are those people in here
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[23:01:17] <sal1191> then youve got guys like me but i know some stuff
[23:01:31] <robdubya> sup Newb
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[23:07:51] <Newb_> server restarted ?
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[23:08:27] <Newb_> angular pros i have a question, looking for someone who knows this angular stuff
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[23:08:48] <Newb_> anybody?
[23:09:13] <robdubya> Newb_ yeah, go
[23:09:21] <TheAceOfHearts> gogo~
[23:09:34] <peey> Newb_ : you should ask your question and leave it here instead of asking for people
[23:09:34] <Newb_> is angular can create non refreshable web app or fully ajax or single page, i do not know whats it called, just like a grooveshark, asana etc ? i have a restAPI, i imagine that angular gets JSON data from RestAPI, load static html template and somehow merge it, is it right ?
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[23:09:49] <TheAceOfHearts> yup
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[23:10:24] <Newb_> ok cool
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[23:11:22] <Newb_> so i should start learn this angular stuff. Do you have any example ?
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[23:12:18] <zelrik> Newb_, there are tons of youtube videos
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[23:14:11] <Newb_> videos are too long dude
[23:14:22] <infinitesum> hey can someone help me unwrap my $http service… I’m following the advice from stack overflow, but I’m having trouble updating the $parent scope from within the .then success function: http://plnkr.co/edit/jiNoUpDvPUcV9FtkYB8D
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[23:16:56] <lando> im having an issue where my filter is trying to filter before the http response is back. this throws a 'Cant Interpolate' error
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[23:18:05] <lando> can someone point me in the right rdirection
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[23:22:07] <felixn> lando: post a gist .. makes it way easier to help debug
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[23:35:50] <lando> working on a fiddle right now
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[23:36:33] <Emperor_Earth> is it less secure to use jwt without uuid?
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[23:55:52] <TheAceOfHearts> huh?
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[23:57:26] <danielsv> im trying to render a template based on a toggle variable
[23:57:28] <danielsv> <div ng-include="'partials/signup.html'" ng-show="showRegistration"></div>
[23:58:14] <danielsv> it seems like this is a bug with rc2
[23:58:16] <danielsv> https://github.com/angular/angular.js/issues/3981
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[23:59:01] <anger> why so old version?
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[23:59:36] <anger> that issue is already closed
[23:59:41] <danielsv> i took over an old project

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